Patrick Dangerfield

[InVINCEable 358]

LET'S DO THE MATHS!

I think we have to calculate how Adelaide can get a better deal this year than if they are to lose him to Free Agency next year.

If they lost him next year to us or anyone else they would get a band 1 compensation - on the basis it's still around. That would be the pick directly after their first pick in the 2015 National Draft.

So if they were to finish on the bottom of the ladder - with Dangerfield playing at the crows in 2015, they would get pick 2 (only) as FA compensation. In saying that if he played there next year (alongside Sloane, Walker, Talia, Smith, B.Crouch, Jacobs, etc.) I highly doubt they would finish anywhere in the bottom 3 let alone the bottom 5.

Therefore at best, they would be getting ~ Pick 6 for Dangerfield in 2015.

So pick 2 alone in 2014 could honestly be enough, that is already far higher than what they'll be getting in 2015. However a sweetener (like a player) will be required because what would stop the Saints jumping in and offering Pick 1.

In saying that pick 2 and 3 is completely ludicrous! YES I want Dangerfield as much as the rest of you, however based on the mathematics, pick 2 & 3 bares far too much currency where each can be used individually to attract an A or soon to be A grader of the competition with additional player or later pick sweeteners.

St Kilda don't have the money and he is the wrong approach for them, they just want picks, picks and picks.

[SaberFang 7,151]

Yes, vastly different situation with the Saints. They're in full rebuild mode and they're clearly going the youth road. Perhaps foolishly if our previous endeavors are any indication.

Roos has only two more trade periods left on his watch and he'll be hellbent on making sweeping changes that improve the list sooner rather than later. He knows we can't wallow at the bottom of the ladder for another year.

As for the trade earlier, best sweetener would be upgrading their second rounder by 8 picks, if they aren't satisfied.

We give them picks 2, 3 & 22.

They give us Danger, picks 10 & 30.

Trade pick 30 for Lamumba, that should satisfy the Pies. Take 10 to the draft to keep injecting youth. Third rounder on Stretch. Fourth rounder for Frost. Trade out any players that don't cut it for the best draft picks/players available (so Blease, Strauss, Tapscott). Trade the likes of Watts/Toumpas/Trengove for more established players if necessary. Pick up another one or two DFA as required.

[InVINCEable 358]

Yes, vastly different situation with the Saints. They're in full rebuild mode and they're clearly going the youth road. Perhaps foolishly if our previous endeavors are any indication.

Roos has only two more trade periods left on his watch and he'll be hellbent on making sweeping changes that improve the list sooner rather than later. He knows we can't wallow at the bottom of the ladder for another year.

As for the trade earlier, best sweetener would be upgrading their second rounder by 8 picks, if they aren't satisfied.

We give them picks 2, 3 & 22.

They give us Danger, picks 10 & 30.

Trade pick 30 for Lamumba, that should satisfy the Pies. Take 10 to the draft to keep injecting youth. Third rounder on Stretch. Fourth rounder for Frost. Trade out any players that don't cut it for the best draft picks/players available (so Blease, Strauss, Tapscott). Trade the likes of Watts/Toumpas/Trengove for more established players if necessary. Pick up another one or two DFA as required.

Like all that bar the Watts/Toumpas/Trengove thing. Watts. meh give him another season and I honestly believe Toumpas and Trengove will star next year.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

As will Watts. With a decent midfield around him.

As Priddis very modestly said in accepting the Brownlow - "it's easy for me, I'm an inside mid and just have to win the ball. I can control my performance much more easily than the guys on the wing or at half forward are able to".

Many posters here seem not to get this with Watts. Fortunately, Roos does.

[Machsy 2,858]

I love how people on here are horrified at us offering pick 2 & 3 but would happily offer pick 2 and toumpas.

Anyone remember being a very highly rated pick 3 two years ago???

No.

But that's probably because Toumpas was pick 4...

[jackaub 1,402]

Would really like to retain Trengove and Toumpas. See little point in getting rid of them at this stage.

Plenty of upside also with Salem, Kent, Michie, JKH and Riley. I think Viney also played injured for most of the year.

Add that lot to Jones, Vince, Tyson and Cross I think we have the basis of an A grade midfield.

No need for rash decisions.

Mate that is nowhere even close to an A grade midfield. more delusions

[Dr. Gonzo 24,221]

do you think they would though?

I think if they were giving any picks back, it would be a second rounder at best

I'd still probably do that we can flip the second round pick for another player with experience so we will get two players for our two picks.

[Left Field 313]

Sloane would be the better get.

Younger, less question marks about his body and less of a dill.

* Edit. Just looked it up - both the same age. Still prefer Sloane.

Edited September 22, 2014 by Left Field

[Ethan Tremblay 30,861]

Sloane would be the better get.

Younger, less question marks about his body and less of a dill.

* Edit. Just looked it up - both the same age. Still prefer Sloane.

What exactly is the question mark on Dangers body? He's missed half a dozen games in as many years..

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

Adelaide aren't stupid if they don't think they can retain Dangerfield then they will take the best deal, pick 2 and toumpas is more than fair if you ask me

[Dee-licious 1,951]

2 and 3 for Danger and 10. It just seems sensible from both parties. We just need to keep some cheddar in the bank so we can lure his mates over next year.

[MadAsHell 4,212]

you have too much spending power DC. your used to paying window price...

P-3 & our 2ndRnd pick is enough for Dangerman + their 3rdRnd pick. = (Frawley + P-22) two picks to them to restock after they're penalties, so they can get their key talls......

allows us to keep P-2 & a 3rdRnd pick for a deal with GWS for Shiel & Jaksch. some other exchange will be needed to round this out. hear our plea Mr AFL. maybe P-20 ??

The spanner in the works could be if we have to use a 2nd round pick on Billy!

[Robbie57 2,020]

I thinks the maths approach does not recognise the negotaition reality. Next year all teams are in the race because they dont have to provide the compensation although top teams will be better placed. Our negotiation position next year is simply money and our coach Roos for one year. If we have improved over the year that may impact slightly.

This year our negotiation position is much better whilst most clubs will have the money to throw at him only a few will have the trade currency to dislodge him. If we plan on using just one pick (and a player) then that brings a lot of teams into the negotiation however 2 picks means we are essentially the only bidders or at least puts the competition at a significant disadvantage.

For a longtime D'landers have been crying out for an elite mid yet seem to think we shouldn't pay overs. We are the second bottom team with a list that needs to be overhauled.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

It would be interesting to know if having Goodwin helps.

[KingDingAling 3,758]

Adelaide aren't stupid if they don't think they can retain Dangerfield then they will take the best deal, pick 2 and toumpas is more than fair if you ask me

It is more than they'd receive next year.

They'll be looking at a first round pick next year.

I wonder whether Sando floated this idea and that is why he is sacked.

Or whether Dangerfield wanted a flag, yet couldn't see Adelaide winning one under Sando, and that is why he is sacked.

Either way, Sloane, Dangerfield and Walker all have mud on their hands, so it is unlikely they'd have so much pull - if they were actually leaving.

Dangerfield has stated he desparately wants to win a flag, so I guess that counts MFC out.

[Josh 1,420]

Screw that!

I hope Roos gets on the gas hard and spikes his drink so when he passes out he grabs his hand and signs it on the dotted line.

My grandfather aledgedly got cleared to Maddingly from Redan in this fashion

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,602]

Facebook says its happening!

[beelzebub 23,377]

Facebook says its happening!

Yes Winston, Facebook is Truth

Edited September 22, 2014 by beelzebub

[DeeZee 7,397]

AFL trade rumour Facebook page are saying we have offered pick 2 and either Trengove or Toumpas.

[McQueen 17,864]

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Dangerfield has stated he desparately wants to win a flag, so I guess that counts MFC out.

Not sure if you're just trying to be a little sarcastic or not but there's no reason MFC won't be in a position to challenge for a flag before Dangerfields time as a player is past.

I would be really disappointed given the current club direction that if in 7 years time we haven't been amongst the top 4 at least a couple of times.

[AzzKikA 2,371]

We cannot afford to be bottom feeders any more, we also cannot afford to screw up high picks again. Trade for this Paddy fellow, use these high picks we have, why gamble on a maybe player if there is truly a superstar of the comp wanting to come to us, if he doesn't want to be traded to us it will not happen anyway.

There is always the possibility for the pick 2 & 3 players to become superstars and "tear up" the comp in future years, but where will we be when that happens? If we have Paddy playing for us do you really think we will be worse or the same as we are now? What will the kiddies be learning from a star like him? Did we improve with Vince and Cross coming into the team?

Isn't it funny that all you people saying that it's overs to give up pick 2&3 for Paddy and Pick 10 when Paddy himself was pick 10. Wonder what was being said about him coming to AFC, bet there was people very unhappy that they didn't pick Rioli or Taylor!

With his old mates Goody and Vince on board I think he will at the very least have a long think before deciding.

[Demon_JB 1,385]

AFL trade rumour Facebook page are saying we have offered pick 2 and either Trengove or Toumpas.

It's probably our information..They took it from us on Demonland and posted it on FB.

[Fat Tony 5,231]

#3, Toumpas and ~#22 for Dangerfield and #~32 would be the most I would offer. And Adelaide would be a good chance to accept it given they are likely to lose him for ~#10 next year.

I hope we keep #2 for Angus Brayshaw.

[Gorgoroth 12,955]

OH. MY. GOD!!!!

Facebook said it's happening!!!!!

I just wet myself with excitement!!!!!

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[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

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