Farewell Jack Watts

[DeeSpencer 23,122]

2 hours ago, DemonDaniel said:

I just broke the news to my little fella, he's gone all quiet reflecting on his favourite player, 'carn' Wattsy!' he'd call out in his loudest voice every week. Really lamenting the fact I just got a number 4 pressed into his footy jumper  Xmas present now. 

Go buy a 1. Print it on next to the 4 and your problem is solved.

[—coach— 3,466]

1 minute ago, DemonOX said:

After this I don’t trust anything Mahoney or Goodwin and co say. 

They obviously say one thing and mean another. 

I thought after r23 it couldn’t get any worse obviously I was wrong. 

Not having a go, but I would have thought 2007 to 2013 we’re far worse.

[Coq au vin 754]

They’ll eat him alive over there.

[RalphiusMaximus 5,993]

1 minute ago, Deeprived Childhood said:

Rory Sloane was pick 44, are you going to offer a third rounder for him? 

Nope, but I'm  also not going to claim that he cost them a top five pick.

[DemonOX 8,530]

2 minutes ago, --coach-- said:

Not having a go, but I would have thought 2007 to 2013 we’re far worse.

I agree but this doesn’t give me much confidence in the club and I still don’t trust them that they r making the right decision. 

I wish that Roos was still at the club tbh. 

Edited October 17, 2017 by DemonOX

[Dockett 32 1,213]

14 minutes ago, CHF said:

History will judge the quality of this decision.

I have no idea if this is a good or bad decision. What I do know is that with Jack, it was a buyer's market and there were not that many buyers out there. I think that fact says a lot. In the end, I believe that the FD had a look at the situation, had a look at the offer and bit the bullet.

I think there was consideration given to the immediate impact on the club with the players and the supporters and also on the longer term impact on such things as list structure and flexibility with contract negotiations in the next few years. We do have a number of players that we want to retain such as Petracca, Hunt, Oliver, Gawn and Brayshaw. Jack being moved on may be, not just a catalyst for improved player application and performance, but it may also give us more flexibility in the medium term future. 

For me the interest will be in the reaction of the players. Good win will either have buy in 100% or he will have a very difficult path to walk. Listening to the players talk of Goodwin this season, I had the impression he was looked upon as part of 'the group'. this post season might just adjust a few player's view of him and set the necessary distance between him and the players

In a total buyers market there was a real lack of bidders for a no.1 draft choice with 150+ games under his belt.

It should have been a feeding frenzy, it wasn't.

Well done MFC your decision at this time has been validated.

 

 

[Dr.D 1,771]

11 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

After this I don’t trust anything Mahoney or Goodwin and co say. 

They obviously say one thing and mean another. 

I thought after r23 it couldn’t get any worse obviously I was wrong. 

Why because Watts has been so good the last 9 seasons? Baffling

[deelete my account 1,194]

7 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Nope, but I'm  also not going to claim that he cost them a top five pick.

We valued him as a pick 4 equivalent player

[jackaub 1,402]

Sorry RPFC

The MFC made Jack no1 

The MFC made him the face of Melbourne

The MFC  propogated the Messiah complex

It didnt work>

Jack is just Jack all the good and all the bad

Its ended probably later than sooner

we can all wonder we can all question

Jack Watts  a nice guy just loved being an AFL footballer

We had  very high unreasonable expectations of him 

He tried maybe not as hard as he could have 

but there you go !

the club have moved on

I will also

good bye good luck and good night

Please let this be the end of Jackieboy threads

Edited October 17, 2017 by jackaub

[John Crow Batty 8,255]

22 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

They had better win a flag , otherwise Goodwin is on borrowed time.

I think he is aware of that.

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,089]

Disappointed to see him go, but Im all for the club setting standards and letting the playing group know what is not acceptable.

Weve played this pretty badly however, we could have got even a late teens draft pick if we didnt air all the dirty laundry, and certainly could have avoided paying any of his salary.

One thing that intrigues me though, why were there only 2 clubs really interested? Definitely more to this than we will ever know.

Good Luck Jack, i wish you well mate.

[Go the Biff 3,129]

7 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

I just feel unemotionally invested.

Its a business, the romanticism of football just seems to be dying for me where I'm not sure if I care anymore.

Probally feel different by the time the season starts.

Jack was a huge family favorite and The Melbourne Football club is a dirty word at the moment.

You sound a bit like my dear old octogenarian mum.

She's been following the Dees since she was a little kid. Seen more games of footy than many on here have had hot feeds. Rusted on MFC member for god knows how many years. Saw the glory years of the '50's & '60's. Suffered through 26 years of no finals. She's seen the succession of rebuilds over the past decade. Seen hope raised & dashed time & time again.

She has seen a lot of players leave the club too. Many of them better players than Watts. Some of them were particular favourites like Greg Wells and Stan Alves

Right now she reckons she is the most upset she's been since Barassi left for Carlton. Even more upset than she was when locked out of her attempts to vote No to the merger.

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

26 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

The club has made a statement .

Do not invest in players, they are just a number, loyalty doesn't exist and don't bother buying jumper numbers for your kids only to have their hearts broken down the track.

My 39 is safe, a guy who went to the edge and dragged himself back

Jack Watts is a natural footy talent, but rested on his laurels when he finally cracked a top 5 B&F finish, I loved it when he was in form but would have preferred it to be more than 4 or 5 times a season

All this talk about him being dragged down by the coaches, Nathan Jones and Nev have been at the Club for same time, last couple of years has been consistently good perfornances, what the Footy Dept wanted from Jack

[Deemented Are Go! 3,602]

3 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

I just feel unemotionally invested.

Its a business, the romanticism of football just seems to be dying for me where I'm not sure if I care anymore.

Probally feel different by the time the season starts.

Jack was a huge family favorite and The Melbourne Football club is a dirty word at the moment.

Ok I feel ya. Sit with it for a while. But chin up. 

This turbulence will pass, everything does.  

Lets all go take an enourmous deep breath over summer and line up again for a red hot frigging crack at 2018. 

We're finally heading north and well placed for some exciting times. 

I repeat a metaphor of the last ten+ years- it feels like the MFC is finally coming out of puberty after a torrid infancy. And I wanna watch what we can grow into. 

Chill the frig down, peeps, I think we're gonna be alright. ✌?

[GCDee 3,006]

Holly [censored] I can't beleive we are still paying a portion of his salary.

I would have preferred a 5th rounder if it meant we had his contract cleared.  

Port have done well here.

[jackaub 1,402]

2 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

My 39 is safe, a guy who went to the edge and dragged himself back

Jack Watts is a natural footy talent, but rested on his laurels when he finally cracked a top 5 B&F finish, I loved it when he was in form but would have preferred it to be more than 4 or 5 times a season

All this talk about him being dragged down by the coaches, Nathan Jones and Nev have been at the Club for same time, last couple of years has been consistently good perfornances, what the Footy Dept wanted from Jack

Rarely agree Saty 

But good post mate

Edited October 17, 2017 by jackaub

[DemonOX 8,530]

5 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Why because Watts has been so good the last 9 seasons? Baffling

Yeah that’s it. 

[John Crow Batty 8,255]

 Tallented highly skilled players who don’t work hard are the new dinosaurs of the game. Superstars in years gone past today they the are millstones around clubs heads. Menzel at Geelong is not unlike Watts and had no takers. 

Edited October 17, 2017 by america de cali

[DemonOX 8,530]

On a positive at least he didn’t go to collonwood!

[Dee Zephyr 17,428]

1 minute ago, DemonOX said:

Yeah that’s it. 

Stopped yourself short mate?

The Dr certainly enlightens us with his repeated comment.

[CHF 2,601]

Just now, DemonOX said:

On a positive at least he didn’t go to collonwood!

just to the SA version.....

[bing181 8,165]

6 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

Weve played this pretty badly however, we could have got even a late teens draft pick

In what universe? Watts was only ever a second rounder.

And once again, what clubs say has nothing to do with how other clubs value a player. If it were the case, all it will take is for Free to talk up Harley Balic and we'll be falling over ourselves to give them a first rounder. 

[Gator 16,891]

58 minutes ago, ChewyOnMyBoot said:

So are you now saying that it was about performance. I remember numerous earlier posts of yours where you copped out of any argument about "facts" showing his performance stacks up by saying "it (the decision to trade him) has nothing to do with Jacks performance". 

Bing is a very balanced poster who's not a fan of mine.  We've had countless arguments over a decade, including Watts, amongst other things.  I respect Bing because he's backed the footy club over a tough decision.  I suspect it didn't come easily, as Bing has always been a Watts supporter.

A fair poster and sensible poster who's been able to separate sentiment from logic.

[John Crow Batty 8,255]

8 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

 

One thing that intrigues me though, why were there only 2 clubs really interested? Definitely more to this than we will ever know.

 

Too right and getting out of town is a logical consequence. From cosmopolitan Melbourne to the [censored] of the world is a strange move no matter the money on offer. 

[Demons1858 1,658]

Gotta have mob forward pressure, that's where the game has been going increasingly so since Aaron Davey showed the way and perfected the run down

Inconsistent talent isn't tolerated any more e.g. Motlop, Stringer, Watts

Edited October 17, 2017 by Demons1858