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As a spectator, short quarters suck IMO. Leave the game along Gil, you [censored] jockey.

Can we hold judgement on a young guy who: 1. Has had to come back from an interrupted pre-season 2. Is trying to build form in a season where there is no second tier competition. 3. Has played one game in pouring rain. Seriously some of you just want to pot anyone you can. He is the least of our worries.

I drove up to Maroochydore Sports complex this afternoon to watch the boys train .Missed the start and Max, Brayshaw and others were not on the oval. Jacko trained with the main group trained brightly and appeared unaffected by his hamstring .He may be a chance Saturday night. Harmes and Chunk did 3/4 pace work along the boundary by themselves. They worked hard but wouldn't have thought that they would be part of the mix for the Giants. Sparrow and James Jordan did repeat run throughs on their own and dont look far off. Goody, Salem and Clarry walked the boundary togteher talking in earnest, hopefully about tactics.The assistants took routine drills and all in all the team seemed more up and about then expected. A word for Neeta .For someone who hasn't played for 2 years and may be delisted at years end he ran laps with the knee bandaged like he was preparing to play at the Gabba on Saturday.Furthermore he looked in terrific shape. I had to leave near to the end as my wife accused me of using a trip to the Sunshine Coast as a pretext for watching the Dees train. She got that right.

Congrats on Gus' brother getting his first game for WCE. Its been a long road for him. Well done young man

Great pressure goal by Kennedy in the last quarter. Can't help but like him. Honest no bull****e old fashioned full forward- should get more accolades than he does.

We just did a major update to the site software. Some of the formatting and colours are out of whack and I will attempt to fix all of this in the next day or so. Please bare with me whilst I iron out all the kinks.

Heard on the grapevine that a number of assistant coaches believe their contracts wont be renewed next year for what its worth.

Seems obvious. It is a Geelong set play. They have seen Jack at his best against their three stars, especially in 2018. It is another tragedy. Jack may be tempted and some fans will be for it. All because we have not had adaquete coaching or team structures to individually improve Jacks game or help him achieve team success.

A full FD review needs to take place. Not an internal one either. It needs to be an external one. My concern with Goodwin is that he had a strategy that relied on a structure that was no longer possible because of the 6-6-6 rule. If you remember 2018 he had this game plan that relied on half backs coming off in V pattern. It was good. Kingy and others lauded it as revolutionary. Since that all changed, he has nothing. Whatever system he has tried to implement has taken us backwards. The football we are playing is not suited to the players we have. It’s been highlighted by the media. We are constantly under pressure and the lack of good ball users is our undoing so often.

Could anyone other than West Coast? That was an incredible win. It was in part driven by the fact that St Kilda are barely any better than us. But they looked cooked early in the fourth and with McGovern off for the entire second half, they still someone kicked the last three goals of the game. A warning sign to the other four teams in the top 5 IMO.

Back to normal rounds and normal quarters. Shorter quarters this year have sucked. There is hidden inflation in this and we will pay the price.

Interest and care factor zero. The on-going disappointments have done their damage.

Seems ludicrous to me that you’d ask a player to put on 10kg who has been hampered by foot injuries.

There were small moments in the game where someone needed to step in to give players advice, that was one of them. Hunt was clearly disoriented and wasn't in the best condition to take the kick, why didn't someone walk over to him and say "Hunty you did your job, you put your body on the line now get checked out and let someone else take the kick". Same with Preuss, trying to kick for goal from an impossible angle. Someone should have gone to him and told him exactly where to put it. Down to poor leadership at the end of the day.

We beat the eventual premiers in Perth a couple of weeks before they won the Grand Final?

I don’t think anyone can be judged in one game in pouring rain.

I don’t hate buckenara, but I have to say it did still hurt after all these to remember that. nowadays Eishold would have a./ run the clock down for 30 secs ( game over) b./ run around on the mark to open the angle ( gameover) or c./passed it backwards to chew up time. That day Still remains my single worst supporting memory ... sitting right next to the best ever memories from the weeks before.

I have absolutely no doubt at all that if that was us, not St Kilda, you would be saying the opposite. They just got beaten by a West Coast side missing Shuey, Yeo, Sheed, Redden, Cripps, Hutchings and Jetta. And with McGovern, one of their best 5 players, off by HT. And that was West Coast's fifth game in 18 days (St Kilda's third game in that block). You would be scathing of us if that was us who had lost that game. Yes this is a factor. St Kilda have lost their last three by only 2, 3 and 15, so they haven't shed much percentage. We do have two games to make up the 50-odd point differential, and in this scenario they have to lose again. So it's not out of the realms of possibility. But if we miss out on percentage, we'll all have great fun reflecting on not just losing to Sydney and Fremantle, but losing by 21 and 14 points respectively (maybe even that final-second goal to Patrick vs Fremantle will haunt us?)

I think the real question is why can’t we instead of could we

Credit where credit is due. The resilience and work ethic of the eagles is something MFC must learn and develop ge I admire them. With so many injuries and lose McGovern early headed by the saints and they fight back. That is the culture I want to see at Melbourne.

Jack Viney leaving helps us, not hinders for mine. Gus plays in the guts more - who is much more creative than Viney's limited disposal skills - and we get likely first rounder in return. I've also never really warmed to Jack's "do what I do" leadership. I honestly don't think it's a bad thing that he leaves.

What this shows is that us and the Saints are probably actually in a very similar position (reflected by us both fighting out for the bottom 8th spots and our tight contest the other week). We both have it in from of us as opportunities to make the finals. Basically neither team really deserves it, both should be making up the numbers in the finals no matter who gets through.

Ignore his last name. If this unlocks a mid-late first round pick and $600-700k that allows us to start to rebalance our side. Don’t push him out but dont over extend on him and if he wants to go dont stand in his way.

He must stay! No compromise!! ?

We bring Jordan Lewis and Lever in and the third man up rule goes etc

If he leaves its on the coaches and its another in a long line of players leaving that are disgruntled with the lack of success and professionalism at the club. Its really disappointing that we have such good players and they cant get it to work. i love Jack Viney. I love his competitiveness, his determination his toughness.. the club needs more of it not less. People are obsessed with Angus Brayshaw, he has teh entire footy world bluffed, hasnt strung 2 decent games together since 2018, he is lazy, one way, disinterested and a smart alec. i know which one i would want to go.

Technically possible, but it's doubtful considering our pathetic recent efforts against bottom clubs. We'd have to win both matches and rely on others losing. We had the chance to cement a finals spot and we blew it by repeatedly losing to bottom teams. We don't deserve to play finals, and even we miraculously make it we're not a contender and will likely get thumped by whoever finishes 5th (likely West Coast in Perth). We need to focus on 2021 and turning overhauling our midfield, forward line, and game style.

Mathematical if we only win 1 it is technically possible but close enough to impossible to ignore. Realistically we must win both and have any one of the following happen: WB lose one of their last two (Haw, Freo) and keep our ~6% lead Coll lose both (Suns, Port) their draw makes percentage irrelevant Stk lose both (WC, GWS) and we must make up ~8% I expect the maximum pain, so this will likely have us win both and then be forced to endure 2017 all over again watching us fall from inside the 8 to out after our last game. When either the Dogs or the Pies win the following 2 days

Not what I meant. I was responding to someone who said his problem was "half-hearted efforts". It's not a question of talent. It's a question of his ability to produce AFL-level football right now. Whether that's a prolonged form slump or injury/fitness, and it could well be the latter, the reality is he's not currently able to produce good enough football. But that's not for want of trying.

The guy irritates the hell out of me, and is rivaled only by his twin brother in terms of most punchable heads in footy. But to be fair he had a winning record of over 50% and took a decidedly average list to 2 prelims. AFL seems to be the only sport where 'failed' head coaches don't generally get a second chance. Prefer others, but I'd take him if the alternative was an untried rookie. Not the worst option out there IMO.

Well earlier in the season the team was likely affected by a lack of continuity in training and matches. So that might explain why it took a while to see any resemblance of a coherent team, which became more apparent in the middle of the season when we got on a bit of a roll. I’m not saying that’s acceptable but clearly many of those factors were out of our control. While the players may have sufficient fitness the tight schedule and travel means everything is compressed, including time for reviewing games, identifying issues to be addressed, preparing and communication messages to players via lines coaches, opposition analysis and strategising, etc. I suspect those are the areas where our footy departments weaknesses have been exposed recently.

Pert spoke of living the dream of the Roos/Jackson model. But the Roos/Jackson handover 4 years on has resulted in 12 wins 25 losses in 2019/20. The coach they handed the baton to has fumbled the baton. It's an industry of fine margins. Goodwin is only a few percent off whack, but that's all it takes to drop games. He's good guy, well liked, but underwhelms in identifying and nurturing player strengths and talent. Time to analyze and assess the changes made since 2017. - have we have brought in the right players (Jack Martin or Tomlinson??), (Lever or 2 first round picks??). - have we have developed our players to their strengths? Is TMac really a power forward?? Or a swingman who finished off mid dominance pre 6,6,6? If we developed Tmac as a defender we would not have needed Lever and we'd have 2 gun picks up forward. I think it is time for fresh eyes across the list. Time for Melksham TMac and Hunt to go the backline where they belong!! And get Salem kicking inside 50. And get Bennell, Bedford and Kozzie in the forward line trapping it in. Does Bennell need to be languishing? 5 devastating Bennell kicks could get us over the line against Swans and Freo. Like Walters showed. Is Goody really inspiring the players to play a defined and confident role? Results are results and his time is up.

I think it’s a good move for player and club. He’s seemed very disgruntled for the last 18 months and I’m not sure there is a clear role for him at the Dees. If, as suggested, he was asked to put on 10kg to play as a bigger stay at home forward, the club owes him an apology. His strength was his tank and they took that away from him

Goodwin “ has the complete support of the board”

It is ridiculously low. We are the oldest football club in the world, yet we have only ever had 1 player reach the 300 game milestone. Let that sink in. Compare that to Hawthorn as an example, a club 40-50 years younger than us. They've had 8 players top 300 games and around 40 top 200 games. Compare it to West Coast, who have only been around for 3 decades. They've had 21 players top 200 games and have Hurn closing in on 300. 3 decades and they've nearly caught what we've done in over 150 years! We've had poor development forever as a club. As a result we've lacked star players compared to other clubs. Flower was a very special player, but the fact we still talk about him as a measuring stick shows just how lean the past few decades have been. When you compare us to other clubs we truly are an abysmal failure outside the 50s-60s.

Delist .Has always been quick which got him into the Lions Academy but they removed him when they realized he had no other attribute than pace .An ordinary player at Aspley.Struggled last year when given a look and has"nt progressed .One of a number we need bid farewell to .

I'm not going to postulate on what this means...if anything. However I calculated all the travel accrued by each team, each round for a total figure, As well as the amount of times travel occurred. And...here are the results. And yes, Melbourne are on top of distance and on flights taken. Is it meaningful? Perhaps.

In a normal year it can't really be done (other than Richmond having 7 in a row at the G to finish the season), but this year has been a massive free hit for the AFL to favour some teams over others and haven't they taken advantage of it!!

Dogs have had 2 runs of 4 straight games at Metricon, and they had 3 in a row at Marvel to start the season. How nice would that have been?

The more I think of all of this, not that expected Pert to say anything, he and Goodwin are totally spin masters and I’m less confident than ever. Pert lost me earlier on and Goodwin well before that. Supporters are being spun total rubbish to cover up

Soft interview. Lots of platitudes. And it left me even more unhappy. Here are two things which I think are rubbish. (I am trying to remember what Pert said, but these won't be verbatim) 1. No coach goes out to do anything less than his best 2. When we play at our best or near our best, we can beat the top sides. ok, they sound all right, but for #1, SG doing his best isn't necessarily enough. We want THE best coach and Goodwin's best might be well short of that. And which team in the AFL when playing at their best or near best can't beat the top sides? We want to be so good that we win even when we're not at our best. Like Richmond and Geelong have recently done. i sincerely hope Pert's real approach to our future is just being masked by the politically correct answers he has given. We want to be more ruthless, right? Maybe we start with the coach.

Our top 4 forwards have kicked 64 goals total this year, in 2018 our top 4 forwards kicked 150 goals. three of our 2018 top 4 forwards are still on the list, and 2 played on the weekend. we've gone so far backwards offensively since 2018 it's not even funny, We need forwards, a gun small forward, a big bloke who can take and mark and the best forward craft/forward coach in the business are absolute musts for us.

Love that I'm not accidentally clicking on the podcast as I'm scrolling down now :). Appreciate the work you put in mate

I’m just excited that someone here is allowed out for more than 1 hour and further than 5km from their house.

Maybe Moonie is that beady eyed John Ralph character or Sam McClure or that midget Stevens fella or maybe or the fireman bloke Cane Kornes...? Either way, I think Salem and the Crows are a good fit.

He said more than most CEO’s would, he has to keep the show rolling at this point

See, to me, the players can absolutely be the tail wagging the dog here. If Petracca and/or Oliver put their hands up to be traded, you can bet the club, as a business, will make the call to the AFL and they'll get rid of Goodwin. Clubs are on a knives edge in the COVID environment. I'd be staggered if they haven't already broached all these options with the AFL much earlier this year.

It plays a part the short breaks and the big one in the last 5 rounds is the constant traveling and lack of continuous days in 1 spot to get into a routine. Those saying interstate teams do it all the time, they do but that's every second week and a routine they are set in over a number of years and generally with set fixtures released the October before the season starts. Don't get me wrong there are other issues but to say it hasn't been a factor is nonsense

That's slightly harsh. I don't think @Engorged Onion is using it as an excuse. And I don't think any Melbourne supporter really wants excuses anymore. What we've served up recently is inexcusable. However, the above table is something that can't be ignored, as its fact. Has all that travel begun to catch up with us a little, and contributed slightly to our recent performances? Probably. But if we miss finals, it won't save Goodwin's job I'd say. He can't go in and complain about the travel and so forth. He has to own it. But, for us supporters, there is some merit in what Engorged has posted.

I'm sure you're hurting @Billy - and that's ok. But as I'm not a staff member of the MFC - they're not deflecting blame. Actually, nor am I. This is a sense making tool... and it's fine that you see it as an excuse.