The Will Hayward Thread

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,199]

600K is a lot of money. 

[adonski 10,761]

Gives me Tomlinson vibes 

[Willmoy1947 3,953]

I reckon this is shifty Media BS to stir up our HF line

[chook fowler 19,243]

Doug?

[Billy 2,460]

What’s the McAdam situation, is he ever going to play?

Wondering if it’s to do with his professionalism or is he just injury prone 

Early days but it’s looking like a bust, hope im wrong 

[Moonshadow 17,455]

3 hours ago, Biffen said:

Nank and Hannebery were pushed out.

Hannebery was finished physically.

 

Yep, and Zac Jones wasn't a great loss.

Dawson was the one who got away

Not many good ones leave Syders

[Bimbo 933]

12 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Didn't Haywood play for the Filth in the '70's? Gun recruit from the country.

Billy Picken did.  He was reqruited from Heywood

[Demon trucker 1,800]

11 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Toby Nankervis

Jordan Dawson 

Daniel Hannebery 

Off the top of my head, only a handful recently 

 

They couldn't get hannebery, out the door quick enough, they knew his body was shot

[hemingway 7,614]

11 minutes ago, Billy said:

What’s the McAdam situation, is he ever going to play?

Wondering if it’s to do with his professionalism or is he just injury prone 

Early days but it’s looking like a bust, hope im wrong 

Not a good start. Often professionalism and injuries go hand in hand. There are obvious exceptions but most top footballers and athletes have exceptional standards both on and off the field. They leave no stone unturned in preventing injury and also injury management or rehab. 
Every team has a list of players who have injuries or are injury prone but do not miss games.

The only way McAdam can put this doubt to rest is by playing a block of games that are not interrupted by injury.  

[seventyfour 987]

32 minutes ago, Billy said:

What’s the McAdam situation, is he ever going to play?

Wondering if it’s to do with his professionalism or is he just injury prone 

Early days but it’s looking like a bust, hope im wrong 

Early days is the key here. His start with the Dees has been no worse than what it was for Steven May.

Adding Hayward alongside Fritsch and Pickett sounds familiar... Gunston, Bruest and Rioli...

[whatwhat say what 22,014]

swans' supporter mate reckons heyward is fritsch-like

i told him he's about as 1/4 as good as fritta

[Wells 11 5,251]

4 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

swans' supporter mate reckons heyward is fritsch-like

i told him he's about as 1/4 as good as fritta

which still makes him a very very good player ;-) 

[Gawndy the Great 9,008]

The more i think about it, its a waste of time and effort to go after a player that we don't need and would be bottom 4-6 anyway. 

We need to go after a-grade talent. For example Sam Taylor goes out-of-contract next year. As the prominent AA FB, he would be an ideal candidate to replace Maysie and keep us relevant for the next decade. Reportedly been offered a 6 year deal at circa 1.3m. Give him 7 years at 1.4. We have the cap space we have the need. 

It is trades like this that keep Geelong and Sydney relevant for so long. Would be FA so wouldn't cost us anything on the trade front. We don't have anybody in the up and coming that would compare to him especially if we end up losing Petty. 

[Little Goffy 13,923]

12 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Toby Nankervis

Jordan Dawson 

Daniel Hannebery 

Off the top of my head, only a handful recently 

 

I did some digging on their other recent outgoing player trades.

Lewis Jetta, Tom Mitchell, Gary Rohan, Nic Newman, Darcy Cameron, Zak Jones, Aliir Aliir, Dylan Stephens.

A lot of those were traded for absolute peanuts in return, too. Dawson for a future end of round 1 pick. Nic Newman for a pick that the Swans didn't even use. Aliir Aliir for pick 34. Darcy Cameron for pick 56 which was then packaged with Zak Jones to get 32.

Ex-Sydney players seems to be a lucrative trade area for the receiving club both in cost-effectiveness and total value.

Sydney might be doing okay from trading Dylan Stephens (plus pick 25) for North's 2024 first round pick. Yikes.

[kryton101 391]

Wonder if Quick Wicks is on the way out rather than Heywood.

[Little Goffy 13,923]

42 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

The more i think about it, its a waste of time and effort to go after a player that we don't need and would be bottom 4-6 anyway. 

We need to go after a-grade talent. For example Sam Taylor goes out-of-contract next year. As the prominent AA FB, he would be an ideal candidate to replace Maysie and keep us relevant for the next decade. Reportedly been offered a 6 year deal at circa 1.3m. Give him 7 years at 1.4. We have the cap space we have the need. 

It is trades like this that keep Geelong and Sydney relevant for so long. Would be FA so wouldn't cost us anything on the trade front. We don't have anybody in the up and coming that would compare to him especially if we end up losing Petty. 

Agreed. With Jason Taylor steadily churning out quality players everywhere except over 193cm, we really need to make that investment.

Fullarton hasn't had a chance yet and I instinctively like him as a prospect, but we can't keep churning through other club's surplus.

Taylor, Weitering and Harris Andrews are all free agents at end of 2025, for what it is worth. ;)

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

15 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Didn't Haywood play for the Filth in the '70's? Gun recruit from the country.

Does he pass the character test? I mean, he's been up his mum and his legless sister and he thinks he's killed his old man.

[Gawndy the Great 9,008]

24 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Agreed. With Jason Taylor steadily churning out quality players everywhere except over 193cm, we really need to make that investment.

Fullarton hasn't had a chance yet and I instinctively like him as a prospect, but we can't keep churning through other club's surplus.

Taylor, Weitering and Harris Andrews are all free agents at end of 2025, for what it is worth. ;)

Taylor is the cream of the crop. Worth every penny as a KPD.

[58er 5,866]

16 hours ago, Nascent said:

Hayward, Florent, McCluggage, Cumming, Henry all worthy of consideration as free agents.

Do we look at Dev Robertson as midfield depth? Can't get a regular spot in the Lions side and with possible disunity among the group perhaps wants to get out? We liked him in his draft year.

Edit: and of course Max Holmes if there's any chance of landing him.

There is no disunity NOW within the Lions playing group. Whatever occurred is not the real reason for their disappointing form.

Only ONE player has had anywhere near his last years form of the list of 2023.

They like us have had to be mature and both groups are in total unison now.

Dev Robertson had a chance to move back to Perth after 2023 and turned his back. He would not be in our first five mid players to look at recruiting go next year. I watch the Lions each fortnight if not going to the G for the Dees. Very good group of players just lacking a little toughness really. Pity they didn’t beat the Pies last year. 

[58er 5,866]

2 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

The more i think about it, its a waste of time and effort to go after a player that we don't need and would be bottom 4-6 anyway. 

We need to go after a-grade talent. For example Sam Taylor goes out-of-contract next year. As the prominent AA FB, he would be an ideal candidate to replace Maysie and keep us relevant for the next decade. Reportedly been offered a 6 year deal at circa 1.3m. Give him 7 years at 1.4. We have the cap space we have the need. 

It is trades like this that keep Geelong and Sydney relevant for so long. Would be FA so wouldn't cost us anything on the trade front. We don't have anybody in the up and coming that would compare to him especially if we end up losing Petty. 

How do you know how Adams will develop this and next year? No club will pay $1.4 mill each year for a Full Back either. 

[whatwhat say what 22,014]

2 hours ago, 58er said:

How do you know how Adams will develop this and next year? No club will pay $1.4 mill each year for a Full Back either. 

they will in the not too distant future

intercept defenders who play on the #1 tall forward are, arguably, the most valuable players in the modern game

see:

• harris andrews
• jacob weitering
• darcy moore
• sam taylor
• steve may

would be amongst the highest paid players at their respective clubs; hell, even esava ratugolea is on significant coin at the pear

it won't be long til the best paid players in the game are on that sort of $1.5m a year mark

Edited April 10 by whatwhat say what

[Adam The God 29,210]

4 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

Agreed. With Jason Taylor steadily churning out quality players everywhere except over 193cm, we really need to make that investment.

Fullarton hasn't had a chance yet and I instinctively like him as a prospect, but we can't keep churning through other club's surplus.

Taylor, Weitering and Harris Andrews are all free agents at end of 2025, for what it is worth. ;)

Weitering the Melbourne supporter you mean? 😜

I thought he'd recently extended, but happy to hear he could be on the market post 2025. Would be the perfect May replacement and since he gives his bank details away to anyone, he might need the extra cash.

[Demonsterative 3,015]

12 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

52% career accuracy....just above Florent (who's getting a mention here)  @ 50% and ahead of the specialist small forward Papley @ 47%.  Papley averages 1.6 goals a game.

Do we need another medium forward though?  We have Fritta (1.7 goals a game @ 57% accuracy) & Smacca, who once he gets up to speed appears to be slightly more effective than  Hayward...

We seriously need more mid field class / depth and a KF for 25 and beyond,  assuming Petty's not extending beyond next season and this is BB's last year.

We might also need to replace Maysie if Adams doesn't come on this season.  I'd be seriously considering  Sam Collins for an interim stop gap.  30 yo when he comes out of contract in 25/26.

Just my view but i'd like to see us putting  effort / cap space $$ into these three areas.

Thanks DD.

 

My worry is Heywood is more of a mark and kick at goal fwd, rather than a ground ball player. Smacca is more dynamic and has different qualities, such as athletic and defensive qualities. Case in point is Kozzie. I’m not against Heywood, just not at a price that is too high. His strength and marking ability would be a  ask us a better team. 

 

I agree more midfield depth and a KPB is a priority 

 

Stats and influence on a game are two different things. 

[layzie 32,678]

Sorry but where does he fit for us? A mid sized forward isn't an area to be addressed over midfield depth or KPP both back and forward.

Think some of you guys are a little hocked up on goof balls sometimes.

[Demonsterative 3,015]

8 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

Agreed. With Jason Taylor steadily churning out quality players everywhere except over 193cm, we really need to make that investment.

Fullarton hasn't had a chance yet and I instinctively like him as a prospect, but we can't keep churning through other club's surplus.

Taylor, Weitering and Harris Andrews are all free agents at end of 2025, for what it is worth. ;)

The KP recruiting failures from JT is not actually the case. Can you provide (other than Weid) his failures? Back it up with draft position too.