POSTGAME: Rd 16 vs Adelaide

[Dr. Gonzo 22,499]

4 hours ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

One of the most appalling displays of umpiring I have ever seen and I've been around for a while.  The AFL have tried to make the umps some sort of footy celebrities for TV purposes, but their feel for the game and judgement is just so bad.  In fact, it currently is a blight on the game.  This win tonight is bigger for us than the score would suggest.  We had to beat incredible odds, which were solely down to atrocious umpiring, on Adelaide's turf and we did it with grit and determination.

That's the Demon spirit, which nobody can deny.  Not even the umpires.   Go you mighty Demons.

Agree, one of the worst displays since the "absolute murder" game against Fitzroy in the early 90s! If only we had commentators like Peter McKenna willing to call it as they see it these days.

https://www.afl.com.au/video/183142/classic-last-two-mins-1991-this-is-murder-absolute-murder?videoId=183142&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1556673790001

But if you thought that was bad just wait til Thursday..... We're doing the Bill Hicks flying saucer tour, which means like UFOs, we've been appearing in small southern towns in front of a handful of hillbillies lately.

Edited July 2, 2022 by Dr. Gonzo

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,636]

18 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Agree, one of the worst displays since the "absolute murder" game against Fitzroy in the early 90s! If only we had commentators like Peter McKenna willing to call it as they see it these days.

https://www.afl.com.au/video/183142/classic-last-two-mins-1991-this-is-murder-absolute-murder?videoId=183142&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1556673790001

But if you thought that was bad just wait til Thursday..... We're doing the Bill Hicks flying saucer tour, which means like UFOs, we've been appearing in small southern towns in front of a handful of hillbillies lately.

Imagine the commentators today saying that, it would be their last game behind the microphone.

 

I don’t respect our commentators, but the AFL does pressure the networks not to be honest and I have been told influence the showing of replays from umpiring errors 

[radar 1,853]

The free kick stat was not shown on TV. And Fitzroy were murdered 

[whatwhat say what 19,094]

5 hours ago, SPC said:

It was a good warm up for the avalanche of free against next week at skinny stadium. 

taxpayer park

[whatwhat say what 19,094]

45 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Agree, one of the worst displays since the "absolute murder" game against Fitzroy in the early 90s! If only we had commentators like Peter McKenna willing to call it as they see it these days.

https://www.afl.com.au/video/183142/classic-last-two-mins-1991-this-is-murder-absolute-murder?videoId=183142&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1556673790001

But if you thought that was bad just wait til Thursday..... We're doing the Bill Hicks flying saucer tour, which means like UFOs, we've been appearing in small southern towns in front of a handful of hillbillies lately.

whatcha readin' FOR?

 

[layzie 28,939]

49 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

 

But if you thought that was bad just wait til Thursday..... We're doing the Bill Hicks flying saucer tour, which means like UFOs, we've been appearing in small southern towns in front of a handful of hillbillies lately.

"Dude, if I lived in this town, I’d be on my hands and knees praying for abduction every ****ing day, alright?"

Edited July 2, 2022 by layzie

[John Crow Batty 8,258]

20 minutes ago, radar said:

The free kick stat was not shown on TV. And Fitzroy were murdered 

There were 77 free kicks paid that game. 39 to Fitzroy and 38 to Adelaide. Unbelievable. 

[Gawndy the Great 7,477]

3 hours ago, kev martin said:

Clarry is hard done by. The umps don't look after him, and not just this game.

Players hang off him before the ball arrives and he gets pinned for not disposing of the sherrin properly.  

For a champion player, he gets hardly any protection most weeks from the umps and has to play through being tagged and targeted. 

Can't see him getting the Brownlow votes he deserves, if they just don't see what he does, how he goes about it and his performance through the duress the opposition apply.

One of the toughest, fairest and most talented footballer for the Dees I've seen. 

This is why the club needs to intervene, I can recall a half dozen contests where Clarey was being held without even having control of the ball. It happened to several players in fact. But it really is a blight with what they can get away with him. 
 

champion data should invent a new stat in his honour, a Clarry contested possession. 3 blokes hanging off him , without possession and then you blink and he wins and disposed of the ball. 

[layzie 28,939]

Seen some of these decisions . Gee they were woeful. 

[Mel Bourne 3,672]

1 hour ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

Imagine the commentators today saying that, it would be their last game behind the microphone.

 

I don’t respect our commentators, but the AFL does pressure the networks not to be honest and I have been told influence the showing of replays from umpiring errors 

I guess it’s a balancing act. 
 

Though there are a disappointing amount of times AFL umpiring should face stern criticism from the media, I can understand the desire not to let the narrative get out of hand. 
 

Both because of the need to make Australian Rules umpiring a desirable vocation despite the low pay and general thanklessness, and also because if the overriding sentiment becomes “Umpires are useless”, it can trickle down in insidious ways to the suburban/country leagues. 
 

Obviously we can thank Toby Greene’s incident for the increased level of protection we have this season (ie the remonstration rule), but unfortunately it is warranted. 

Respect is always a two-way street though, and it will be a harder thing to mandate if more displays like we saw today occur. 

Edited July 2, 2022 by Mel Bourne

[Clayton van Oliver 1,689]

Good, gutsy effort. Our midfield is just mint. One of my favourite moments of the day was David King saying that Steven May needed to be dragged or taken off Walker. Gave me a good laugh, that did. Oh, and club record intercepts marks 👏

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,636]

53 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

I guess it’s a balancing act. 
 

Though there are a disappointing amount of times AFL umpiring should face stern criticism from the media, I can understand the desire not to let the narrative get out of hand. 
 

Both because of the need to make Australian Rules umpiring a desirable vocation despite the low pay and general thanklessness, and also because if the overriding sentiment becomes “Umpires are useless”, it can trickle down in insidious ways to the suburban/country leagues. 
 

Obviously we can thank Toby Greene’s incident for the increased level of protection we have this season (ie the remonstration rule), but unfortunately it is warranted. 

Respect is always a two-way street though, and it will be a harder thing to mandate if more displays like we saw today occur. 

If the AFL want umpires to be respected, make them full time professionals,  pay them properly and stop the constant rules changes.

 

The fact is though, it is easier and cheaper just to control what commentators and media say about them, all spin and no action, what Gil does best.

[IRW 1,246]

9 hours ago, Maldonboy38 said:

Very good win against a Crows side that were switched on, as hard as us at the footy, and killed us in the air.

We MUST fix our aerial play inside F50. Until the last 10 minutes the crows backs picked us off, spoiled, blocked and out-marked us too easily.

Also, we cannot miss easy shots at goal like Bedford, BBB and Spargo in the 3rd quarter. 

Great game by our midfield. As tough as the crows were, we outlasted them and took everything they gave to us.

Langdon and Brayshaw: we will be talking about this combination for the next 50 years. Outstanding.

Hats off to our backmen. Very, very well done.

Don't know what to say about the umps. How about the head smack to Oliver? 

Oh is Angus staying then?

[John Demonic 4,817]

9 hours ago, Tom Dyson said:

Can we give clarry a 7 year extension every week??? 

Played a blinder!!!!

Clarry plays a blinder every week. Rain, hail or shiney 7 year extensions!

[MT64 1,096]

I know there are worse (BT, James -sure there are more) but last night Anthony Hudson took it to a new level. His barracking for Adelaide and screaming (heavily described as commentary) was just plain embarrassing and most unprofessional. If he commentates next Thursday at the cattery he just wont be able to control himself. Foxtel should ensure that there is a box of tissues next to his seat.

[Engorged Onion 9,354]

6 minutes ago, MT64 said:

box of tissues next to his seat.

For tears right? Tell me they're for tears...🤢

[deanox 8,645]

6 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Reilly O'Brien must be feeling satisfied...

 

I reckon this proves that at stoppages the real role of a ruck is simply to make sure that the other ruck cannot dominate (neutralise). (Obviously this assumes your midfielders are able to compete with theirs)

An advantage they got at the stoppages was ROB got 4 stoppage clearances (of their 22 for the game) vs Weids 1. With Gawn in, they might not have got those.

 

Where not having a ruck can be a big disadvantage (or having a good ruck like Gawn can be an advantage) is their ability to influence the game around the ground. Intercept marking and spoiling, linking up in attacking play, and body work in close to help your kids find space are three key areas that a ruck can influence.

ROB did slightly out-perform his own season averages (for intercepts, disposals etc) in this match, and did statistically more than Weid did, but with only 5 marks and 6 intercept possessions in total ROB didnt have any influence on the game.

As the only ruckman on the ground, and with the size advantage he had, he should have been able to influence more. So either Weid did a good job keeping him quiet or we deliberately used a game plan that kept him out of it.

[640MD 2,812]

3 hours ago, MT64 said:

. Foxtel should ensure that there is a box of tissues next to his seat.

Mal, I think you mean, if I can read between lines, on his seat !

glad you enjoyed the game

[John Crow Batty 8,258]

Mitch Brown must be one of the longest travelled journeyman ever. Drafted in 2008 but only played 79 games for 3 clubs. Very few players remain from that vintage in the league. Amazing.

[Deesprate 1,163]

Great win Dees. Gutsy effort by BBB clearly sore but played his part. Weid competed hard and clearly sacrificed his normal game to help the team. The sniping on this site of these two pathetic. They both played their part something the snipers don’t want to acknowledge

[Sideshow Bob 2,156]

14 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

Mitch Brown must be one of the longest travelled journeyman ever. Drafted in 2008 but only played 79 games for 3 clubs. Very few players remain from that vintage in the league. Amazing.

Can clearly play. Probably would have been better off elsewhere for his final stint on a list - would be playing regularly at other clubs - but at the Dee's he's only a break glass in case of emergency type

[picket fence 15,268]

14 hours ago, Razor said:

Mitch brown was really good today.  Tried really hard and held his own better and better in Ruck as game went on.  Also ran to good spots when playing forward 

Mitch Brown gets a game next week, definately!

[John Crow Batty 8,258]

44 minutes ago, Sideshow Bob said:

Can clearly play. Probably would have been better off elsewhere for his final stint on a list - would be playing regularly at other clubs - but at the Dee's he's only a break glass in case of emergency type

That’s assuming other clubs were interested in him at the time. Delisted players hitting 30 years old usually don’t have too many offers.

Edited July 3, 2022 by John Crow Batty

[spirit of norm smith 12,986]

1 hour ago, John Crow Batty said:

Mitch Brown must be one of the longest travelled journeyman ever. Drafted in 2008 but only played 79 games for 3 clubs. Very few players remain from that vintage in the league. Amazing.

Red card.  Never mention the 2008 draft again.  Shuey and Sloane were on our list.  But no, BP chose Blease and Strauss. I can’t let go even after 13+ years. 

[spirit of norm smith 12,986]

How good was Langdon.  ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
He’s been down in a few recent games. Tagged even.  But showed plenty of run and heart v Crows.  He runs all day.  One effort in the first which he eventually passed to Trac was an excellent passage of play. And Langdon’s goal in the last was special and pivotal to winning the match.