Jesse Hogan on the way out at Freo?

[Lord Nev 13,511]

1 minute ago, John Demonic said:

If he wasn't named Harley Bennell, and we were just talking about some bloke from Freo with off field issues, injury problems and who is struggling for a game so badly that he's possibly being switched ends; there's no way this thread is going the way it is so far.

Big no from me.

Take your point.

But all reports were Bennell had moved past his off field issues.

That's where the difference is.

[Pates 9,537]

Just now, Big Col said:

You're right, except we ARE talking about Jesse Hogan - the kid who won Casey's B&F at 18yo, who won the AFL Rising Star, who kicked 4 goals on Rance in a game in 2016, etc We got a fair trade for him, and i don't know where he'd fit in now, but I'd love him back in r&b if the proce was right.

That is actually a very good point, our forward line has functioned quite well at times with Weid and Jacko. With Tom back in its been equally decent and I think Tom could have a late season resurgence, he just needs to clunk some marks to get some confidence. 

So with that in mind where would Jesse sit? Would he be our second forward behind Weid and Jack moves into a midfield/back up ruck role? 

Team balance and whether we can utilising him to the best of his ability would definitely be a question mark. 

[GCDee 3,006]

Yes please. 

[P-man 13,168]

4 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Make up your mind mate, it's it "not just about the romanticism" or is it "relevant on several fronts" that he's a former Demon?

Those two can co-exist.

It’s about what he can produce on the field in isolation, as well as what returning to Melbourne specifically can do for him, the club and the supporters.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

Hogan was always the first one I watched in the warm ups.

[Deeoldfart 7,733]

1 hour ago, Anti-Saint said:

gee OldFart - I've got plenty of baggage - haven't we all got plenty??!!!

Of course we have ..... it just weighs some of us down more than it does others.

[daisycutter 28,562]

all he probably needs is a good partner? harley settled down when he got married and had kids. hoges can't be peter pan for ever

[Lord Nev 13,511]

Just now, P-man said:

Those two can co-exist.

It’s about what he can produce on the field in isolation, as well as what returning to Melbourne specifically can do for him, the club and the supporters.

I won't keep banging on, don't want to hijack the thread, so I'll make this my last one.

He hasn't produced on the field for 2 season.

He was traded away with no hesitation by Melbourne so I don't understand where you're getting this welcome home vibe from (other than supporter romanticism). It's not up to Melbourne to do things for him, we're trying to be a successful footy club.

People are projecting things onto this situation that just aren't factual.

 

[The Swimming Dee 1,858]

 

1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

I won't keep banging on, don't want to hijack the thread, so I'll make this my last one.

He hasn't produced on the field for 2 season.

He was traded away with no hesitation by Melbourne so I don't understand where you're getting this welcome home vibe from (other than supporter romanticism). It's not up to Melbourne to do things for him, we're trying to be a successful footy club.

People are projecting things onto this situation that just aren't factual.

 

Nail on the head Nev...huge no from me

[PaulRB 5,946]

1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

I won't keep banging on, don't want to hijack the thread, so I'll make this my last one.

He hasn't produced on the field for 2 season.

He was traded away with no hesitation by Melbourne so I don't understand where you're getting this welcome home vibe from (other than supporter romanticism). It's not up to Melbourne to do things for him, we're trying to be a successful footy club.

People are projecting things onto this situation that just aren't factual.

 

Don’t agree with your assumption that Jesse “was traded away with no hesitation” in 2018.

A description of his 2018 season from Wikipedia

”In 2018, Hogan was key to Melbourne's push for its first finals campaign in 12 years.^[103] However, following a loss to Sydney in round 21, Hogan was ruled out for the rest of the season with a partial stress fracture in the navicular bone in his foot.^[103] At the time of his injury, Hogan was sixth on the Coleman Medal table with 47 goals.^[104]”

 

[KLV 1,633]

 No, there’s reasons why  he hasn’t been doing well.

let it be 

[PaulRB 5,946]

2 minutes ago, KLV said:

 No, there’s reasons why  he hasn’t been doing well.

let it be 

Hey KLV, given what you know (and I don’t need to know), do you think Jesse’s capable of top level footy again? 

[Sir Why You Little 34,510]

2 minutes ago, KLV said:

 No, there’s reasons why  he hasn’t been doing well.

let it be 

Have always wondered what has gone on over there

Jesse has done everything else except play AFL in Perth. 
i don’t think he Really wants it

He has got to get his head right. 
 

I still want to know how you can roll an SUV in a Sububan Street!!

[P-man 13,168]

8 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I won't keep banging on, don't want to hijack the thread, so I'll make this my last one.

He hasn't produced on the field for 2 season.

He was traded away with no hesitation by Melbourne so I don't understand where you're getting this welcome home vibe from (other than supporter romanticism). It's not up to Melbourne to do things for him, we're trying to be a successful footy club.

People are projecting things onto this situation that just aren't factual.

 

Again, I’m not just talking about supporter romanticism. For Hogan it will be familiar surrounds in terms of players, coaching staff and admin. He knows Goodwin’s methodology. That places the club in a unique position. As mentioned it would largely be about getting him into the right mental place and all those things provide him with a leg up to return to his best football. That’s parking everything else involved in terms of sentiment. To say it’s irrelevant just isn’t accurate.

Yes, he hasn’t produced anything at Freo. Hence why it’s a gamble and you’d only want to acquire him cheaply. For me, it’s a gamble worth taking. Hogan at CHF in this team is an attractive prospect. You dont see it that way. All good. Just try not to dismiss those who disagree with you as not thinking straight. 

[Bitter but optimistic 21,259]

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Have always wondered what has gone on over there

Jesse has done everything else except play AFL in Perth. 
i don’t think he Really wants it

He has got to get his head right. 
 

I still want to know how you can roll an SUV in a Sububan Street!!

Buddy rolled one a few years ago SWYL!

There was a bit of “ wink wink nudge nudge” about that

[monoccular 16,074]

Great talent, but it looks like he doesn't really know what he wants, and whether he wants to commit to any club.

IMO it would be a great risk to take him back, but all would depend on price and list space.  

And we would definitely require a full psychological assessment.

[Sir Why You Little 34,510]

4 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Buddy rolled one a few years ago SWYL!

There was a bit of “ wink wink nudge nudge” about that

Yes i know and one would have to be right off your chops to do it. 
i can understand it happening on a big road, because they have a High centre of Gravity, but in a small suburban street....

[P-man 13,168]

19 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

Don’t agree with your assumption that Jesse “was traded away with no hesitation” in 2018.

A description of his 2018 season from Wikipedia

”In 2018, Hogan was key to Melbourne's push for its first finals campaign in 12 years.^[103] However, following a loss to Sydney in round 21, Hogan was ruled out for the rest of the season with a partial stress fracture in the navicular bone in his foot.^[103] At the time of his injury, Hogan was sixth on the Coleman Medal table with 47 goals.^[104]”

 

Not to mention I’m yet to hear anyone from the club give any inkling of sour grapes. Quite the opposite. There is little to suggest he wouldn’t get a warm welcome home. Should the club decide to trade for him.

[KLV 1,633]

16 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

Hey KLV, given what you know (and I don’t need to know), do you think Jesse’s capable of top level footy again? 

ultimately it’s up to him, but I wouldn’t put money on it 

[Lord Nev 13,511]

20 minutes ago, P-man said:

Just try not to dismiss those who disagree with you as not thinking straight. 

Sorry, I know I said I would leave it, but need to correct these statements.

Nowhere did I say you're not thinking straight.

7 minutes ago, P-man said:

Not to mention I’m yet to hear anyone from the club give any inkling of sour grapes. Quite the opposite. There is little to suggest he wouldn’t get a warm welcome home. Should the club decide to trade for him.

No one has said there are 'sour grapes'.

The willingness of the club to trade him should tell you how keen they'd be to trade him back in though.

[Gawndy the Great 7,398]

Purely from a team fit perspective, you could put him on the wing. Played ok there and did have a tank. 

Would love to get 50 games into the LJ weed combo. 

[Demon_spurs 1,670]

And of Course Freo being such an easy club to deal with....

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,155]

Definite yes.
Get him out of WA.

 

 

[P-man 13,168]

10 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Sorry, I know I said I would leave it, but need to correct these statements.

Nowhere did I say you're not thinking straight.

No one has said there are 'sour grapes'.

The willingness of the club to trade him should tell you how keen they'd be to trade him back in though.

Your opening contribution amounted to saying that positive responses are all due to romanticism around it being Jesse Hogan. The implication being that anyone in favour of the idea is not looking at it logically. It doesn’t get much more dismissive than that.

I’d be surprised if they traded him back but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen.

[Demons11 6,404]

Yes!!!! He still has so much footy ahead of him.