Farewell Jesse Hogan

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2 hours ago, Demons11 said:

It gives you a starting point. 

People are saying 2 first rd picks.  So you would be happy to 13 and 18? 

I think I'd rather have 13 & 18 than just 8.

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33 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I think I'd rather have 13 & 18 than just 8.

Yep, definitely.

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2 hours ago, trout said:

Now I know most people don’t rate the majority of Journalists and Jon Ralph is probably high on that list but for what it’s worth he said on radio tonight that there is a 1% chance Hogan is at the Dees in 2019. 

The way Lever was talking on Fox Footy tonight, Jesse is gone.

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1 minute ago, Redleg said:

The way Lever was talking on Fox Footy tonight, Jesse is gone.

Interesting. I wonder how the group feels about him leaving. You felt them all bond with the big wins this year and in the finals. Jesse not being there for them i wonder if they really care or if they feel upset he's leaving after all the hard years to get no reward together. 

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1 hour ago, Hogan2014 said:

Why hasn't the club come out with any statement either way???

 

Why should they? 

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3 hours ago, EnterTheDragon said:

I thought someone might take exception to the “generational player” and fawning epithets comment. Fair enough, you are entitled to that view and make a reasonable argument. However I would dispute your assertion that “the larger football world would have have him as the best KPF under 25.” I think if you put Hogan up against Charlie Curnow and Joe Daniher many would have him third picked in that group. Many wouldn’t sure, but no way is it a clear cut thing.

The knock on Jesse at this stage (and I think it’s a fair one) is that he’s shown a propensity so far to beat up on weaker teams and go missing a bit in the bigger games. This is something a casual look at his goals to games ratio doesn’t show up unless you take a closer look at the statistics. 

Im not saying he isn’t a very good player. He is. But a certainty to be a Carey-esque superstar? A “generational player”? Sorry but that’s a big stretch based on the body of work I’ve seen. Plenty of potential absolutely but more than a few rough edges remain that need ironing out. 

If you ask Hawthorn fans they'll tell you Buddy used to go missing in the big games too. He hasn't been great for Sydney either. Serviceable at times but not great.

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3 hours ago, EnterTheDragon said:

I thought someone might take exception to the “generational player” and fawning epithets comment. Fair enough, you are entitled to that view and make a reasonable argument. However I would dispute your assertion that “the larger football world would have have him as the best KPF under 25.” I think if you put Hogan up against Charlie Curnow and Joe Daniher many would have him third picked in that group. Many wouldn’t sure, but no way is it a clear cut thing.

The knock on Jesse at this stage (and I think it’s a fair one) is that he’s shown a propensity so far to beat up on weaker teams and go missing a bit in the bigger games. This is something a casual look at his goals to games ratio doesn’t show up unless you take a closer look at the statistics. 

Im not saying he isn’t a very good player. He is. But a certainty to be a Carey-esque superstar? A “generational player”? Sorry but that’s a big stretch based on the body of work I’ve seen. Plenty of potential absolutely but more than a few rough edges remain that need ironing out. 

I think you’ve been 10 minutes of wrong here. The guy is a talent that comes around maybe once in 5 drafts. His ability to be a key forward with strength but also cover territory and get up the ground is something that none of the under 25 KPF players can do nearly as well. 

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24 minutes ago, Redleg said:

The way Lever was talking on Fox Footy tonight, Jesse is gone.

Care to elaborate, Red?  I missed it tonight.

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3 hours ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Agreed. And in reality we’re not that far off each other.

We’ve got our foot on their throat on this one and they know it.

I suspect you're right there.

And yeah, this is a club who's only dominant period stemmed from the great Pav. They know they can sell memberships with the Hulk. He will be adored forever after 200 games with them. If he were to go there, their next 5-10 years look completely different. At MFC he's not even in our 3 most important (Gawn, Oliver, Tmac, Viney, Lever). If you want to see some extreme examples of the value of draft picks, consider the tale of RG3 in the NFL. The Redskins traded their first round pick in three successive drafts... AND a second rounder. And what for? To move from pick 5 overall to pick 2. They literally traded all that to move up 3 spots to get their guy. NFL is different obviously, but where they're way ahead of us is they make huge blockbuster deals to get a franchise player. They'd find a first and second round pick trade quaint...

2 hours ago, phuket demon said:

Ummm this is a 23 Yr old Jesse [censored] hogan. Brayshaw and pick 5 minimum. In our position 4 years ago we would have done that. Why is no one rating him??? I just don't get it. 

In our defence, MOST people here are rating him. It's a small vocal minority that want everyone to think he's average. I'm confident the demons rate him as high as we do though. 

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2 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Lots of speculation, so let's look at the man. He has character, poise and has overcome some very great hurdles in his MFC history. He is a very valuable player and to date, his loyalty to the MFC has been wonderful. Other teams scramble to over-man up on him, week in, week out. This is a primary measure of his talent, skills, capability onfield and his potential impact. In return, he is quiet, reserved, almost enigmatic. His qualities extend beyond his years in his carriage and in his onfield demeanour and promise. For the MFC, he is a SUPER asset. The Freo bids and interests are not new; obviously, he holds these in abeyance with a deft hand - it is not the dollars, it is his commitment and loyalty to the MFC that drives him. It is his regard for his team and his teammates. If we value him, why do we allow this surreptitious reflection on his MFC career and its duration every time that he demonstrates adversity, success and above all, quietude in his loyalty? Jesse will not be going anywhere - Jesse is what the MFC continue to need and it is hoped that injury, form, speculation and disquiet will not prevent that from occurring. 

Gee that's beautifully written.

Have to say though, as pretty as that was to read, the sentiment is wildly inaccurate. No amount of glorious words about his so-called loyalty can distract from what happens if he moves. In terms of sticking with the club, he's hardly Nathan Jones... He took a 2 year deal in his last contract, and has trotted out the same media line as Scully did before he left.

I hope you're right though of course.

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21 hours ago, praha said:

A young kid has seen his colleagues succeed without him. It can be demoralizing and can impact your own self worth. It happens to all of us. I am not the least bit surprised by this if it's all true.

We can't lose this kid.

I noticed someone else quoted this, so I went back to use it...

I keep coming back to this same thought...That the finals success, the team kicking out the coaches and running meetings with just themselves, all this... has left Jesse feeling like just another cog in this team and not its great spearhead as he's been for the last 4 years. Has he been waiting for an opening to sneak back to Perth? Maybe.

I think my main thought though is that the club had up until this week shown no interest in trading him whatsoever. They've loved him and nurtured him all the way through and bent over backwards to accommodate him. And now, with his injury and non-involvement in the first success the club's seen in a long time, he suddenly baulks?

A big part of me thinks if that's all it takes, then perhaps he's not made of the stern stuff we all hoped he would be? He's a great player and I want to keep him... but only if he buys in. And I mean REALLY buys in. Otherwise, what do we really have?

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I could never be truly annoyed if he left after what he has been through this last 18 months.  He is a young bloke making hard decisions with a million people buzzing in his ears. It helps to know that we'll be handsomely compensated if he does leave. 

I hope he stays with us, because I love the sentiment in footy. But I also felt for Bernie when he missed games and the VFL premiership, was happy to cheer and celebrate Hibberd and Melksham, and I consider both Jeff White and Jeff Farmer MFC players despite their time at other clubs. 

Some players move because they have poor character. Others move despite their loyalty. 

I hope he gets success with us.

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3 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Care to elaborate, Red?  I missed it tonight.

It was more what he didn't say, basic theme was "if he goes, we won't hold it against him".

Good speaker, you can see why they went so hard for him. Leadership material.

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Major developments this evening... won’t say much more as I don’t have all the details.

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2 hours ago, bing181 said:

It was more what he didn't say, basic theme was "if he goes, we won't hold it against him".

Good speaker, you can see why they went so hard for him. Leadership material.

Pretty hard for him to say anything else.

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The Club has been incredibly supportive of Jesse over the years.

It would be disappointing if he didn't repay that loyalty. 

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3 hours ago, Mach5 said:

Major developments this evening... won’t say much more as I don’t have all the details.

What does it regard??

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6 hours ago, Dappa Dan said:

Gee that's beautifully written.

Have to say though, as pretty as that was to read, the sentiment is wildly inaccurate. No amount of glorious words about his so-called loyalty can distract from what happens if he moves. In terms of sticking with the club, he's hardly Nathan Jones... He took a 2 year deal in his last contract, and has trotted out the same media line as Scully did before he left.

I hope you're right though of course.

If he leaves this year it will be with be by mutual agreement. It’s possible for players to exit the club, or stay, without them “doing a Scully” or “doing a Jones”. 

If a deal is struck that suits both parties, you could argue he’s demonstrated loyalty by facilitating the trade.

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4 hours ago, Mach5 said:

Major developments this evening... won’t say much more as I don’t have all the details.

Oh go on.  gi's a hint ??

Edited September 27, 2018 by beelzebub

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41 minutes ago, Nasher said:

If he leaves this year it will be with be by mutual agreement. It’s possible for players to exit the club, or stay, without them “doing a Scully” or “doing a Jones”. 

If a deal is struck that suits both parties, you could argue he’s demonstrated loyalty by facilitating the trade.

True to a point, but I also think it would be the bitter taste of Scully that set the scene and lingers in tempting us to trade whist we have the capital.  Ironically we pretty much used the Scully compensation picks to get Jessy, so that pretty much highlights the futility of the situation should he leave to some extent.

I have been thinking that we could find out in the next little while, what matters more to Jessy - money or sucess.  That is a good outcome in it's self to some extent and in my view is that he needs to make this a clear turning point.  He can't continue to go on shopping himself around every time there is an opportunity to get back to WA or elsewhere, he will loose the respect of his teammates petty quickly and become corrosive to team cohesion if that's the way he continues to behave.

I could understand if he did leave for genuine family reasons, but I'd also struggle to believe that if he was moving on a hugely inflated contract.  IF he leaves for ridiculous money, then good riddance as I think that would mean he's not really the kind of player we want on our list going forward anyway.

Edited September 27, 2018 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

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4 hours ago, Mach5 said:

Major developments this evening... won’t say much more as I don’t have all the details.

Why bother posting then

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5 hours ago, Mach5 said:

Major developments this evening... won’t say much more as I don’t have all the details.

Oh come ooooooon.... You can't do that! lol

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46 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Why bother posting then

was about to say the same thing... 

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5 hours ago, Mach5 said:

Major developments this evening... won’t say much more as I don’t have all the details.

Hi all

 

I'm here looking for likes for a post with zero content.

Thanks.

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1 hour ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

True to a point, but I also think it would be the bitter taste of Scully that set the scene and lingers in tempting us to trade whist we have the capital.  Ironically we pretty much used the Scully compensation picks to get Jessy, so that pretty much highlights the futility of the situation should he leave to some extent.

I have been thinking that we could find out in the next little while, what matters more to Jessy - money or sucess.  That is a good outcome in it's self to some extent and in my view is that he needs to make this a clear turning point.  He can't continue to go on shopping himself around every time there is an opportunity to get back to WA or elsewhere, he will loose the respect of his teammates petty quickly and become corrosive to team cohesion if that's the way he continues to behave.

I could understand if he did leave for genuine family reasons, but I'd also struggle to believe that if he was moving on a hugely inflated contract.  IF he leaves for ridiculous money, then good riddance as I think that would mean he's not really the kind of player we want on our list going forward anyway.

I reckon you're viewing the situation in a black and white manner. There is some grey...