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5 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Our position should be “nah sorry we will be having pick 5 & 9 if you want your gun key forward. Take it or leave it. Happy to keep him for another year and then deal with West Coast at the end of 2018 for Jesse’s services.”

We're not going to be doing that.

If Hogan wants to go, a way will be found for him to go. You don't keep players against their wishes, even moreso when family/personal factors play a part.

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16 minutes ago, bing181 said:

We're not going to be doing that.

If Hogan wants to go, a way will be found for him to go. You don't keep players against their wishes, even moreso when family/personal factors play a part.

The MFC’s first duty is to look after its own interests first, then consider the rights and needs of an individual player. 

Jesse has managed to play six seasons in Melbourne and only recently declared he was happy here. He gets along well with his teammates. If Fremantle won’t satisfy us in trade then I see no problem holding the  player to the final year of his contract with a promise to field offers from both Fremantle AND West Coast next season. 

Freo came to us to poach our gun key forward while still on contract. That fact can not be stressed enough. They’ll need to come to OUR PARTY picks wise, not the other way around. Why should we? Because we’re Melbourne and we play nice at the card table?

Sorry but the MFC’s interests trump those of an individual player on this one. I would be shocked if our FD did not see it that way.

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3 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

The MFC’s first duty is to look after its own interests first, then consider the rights and needs of an individual player. 

Jesse has managed to play six seasons in Melbourne and only recently declared he was happy here. He gets along well with his teammates. If Fremantle won’t satisfy us in trade then I see no problem holding the  player to the final year of his contract with a promise to field offers from both Fremantle AND West Coast next season. 

Freo came to us to poach our gun key forward while still on contract. That fact can not be stressed enough. They’ll need to come to OUR PARTY picks wise, not the other way around. Why should we??

The MFC’s interests trump those of an individual player on this one. I would be shocked if our FD did not see it that way.

Could not agree more. We start with asking for two top five picks. He's worth every bit of it and we hold all the cards. MAYBE let them get away with five and nine if they sweeten the deal.

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2 hours ago, Rocky said:

as i've said before.. is andrew brayshaw ready to go?! where would he fit into our best 22?  discounting his brotherly scraps earlier in the year, what do you you know about him?.. i know he's not an outside runner. he was playing for a crap team and getting games, but you have to realise he would end up at casey, behind his brother, viney, harmes, oliver, etc...?

if his name was 'andrew smith', i bet he'd not even be in the conversation re: hogan trade.

Andrew Brayshaw is proven general midfield quality who has had a good exposure to AFL.  He had a very solid AFL year, he was a lock in my fantasy team so I followed his progress and he consistently built throughout the year.

Relentless midfield quality rotation wears down the opposition.

And yes there is something in the Brayshaw name.  Good culture is key to success.  I love the way Angus goes about it and that's highly likely to be a Brayshaw trait that Andrew will bring.  It also brings a stronger bond in adversity.

I think we also get a lot from the Macs.  I love Toms approach and Oscar seems very similarly smart, sensible and driven.

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2 hours ago, Good Lord George said:

Talk of Freo trading 4 or 5 to port for 9 and 10. Then ontrading the 10 to us with the remaining low pick for Jesse. 

 

So 10 and either 4 Or 5 For Jesse Hogan??

Yep take it!

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39 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Gut feel says Freo are going to try and throw 9 & 10 at us for Hogan while keeping pick 5 for themselves at the pointy end of this draft. 

Our position should be “nah sorry we will be having picks 5 & 9 if you want your gun key forward. Take it or leave it. Happy to keep him for another year and then deal with West Coast at the end of 2018 for Jesse’s services.”

It may only be a five pick difference we’ll hold out for, but in this draft that could well be the difference between adding a good player and a genuine star to our list. 

Picks 5 & 9. 

You initiated this Freo.

You have close to the worst forward line in the league and a coach and board under pressure.

You want Hogan that desperately there’s a price to pay. Or no dice!

 

Yeah I actually like this better than my previous scenario. 

I think they might Cough up!

 

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Know what I would love to get combo of 

Gaff, May 

Or 

Shiel, May with Jessie picks gives us 

Gives us outside run we crave, Gives us a Gorilla with Mongrel to play on same types and really opens up Premiership window

Lever comes back we continue to develop Weeds and use Pruess in two way tandem with Max and straighten out his kicking for Goal 

Roooolllllllll On Premiership!

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2 hours ago, Return to Glory said:

I think I'm in the minority. Assuming we solve a need through May and KK with a late 1st round draft pick, I'm not against picking up a kid early within the first round.

This draft is supposedly significantly stronger than that of 2017. Rayner, Brayshaw, Paddy Dow, Adam Cerra, Jaidyn Stephenson (Rising Star) and Davies - Uniake were the first six of this year.

Agree with this completely. The pointy end of this year's draft is meant to be very good, the top 6 or so.

The only thing that betters this is if we can prize Kelly away from GWS this year with 5 (which will end up being at least 6 with Lynch FA compo) and next year's 1st rounder (16-18)

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1 hour ago, Dappa Dan said:

Interesting. I've got a half a dozen posters I stick with. And obviously come here for first news and rumours... but leave it at that. 

Not really. 

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6 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Collingwood paid out two pick 7’s for Treloar.

5 & 9 seems entirely appropriate for Hogan given the circumstances.

4 & 5 (or whatever that ends up being). Hogan is a KPP yet to reach his prime.

To echo Grazman, I'm don't get why posters sell us so short, or do they think we'll be pushovers at the trade table?

I would happily use one to trade for May with plenty of change. I would also like to use one in the draft.

I would also happily trade both for Kelly and change, which is a pipe dream I'd like to keep running with.

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4 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Once again, we won't be keeping players against their interest. It's not in anybody's interest, including ours, to do so.

Our club has gone to great lengths to make fair deals and to look after their players at every opportunity over the last few years.

If Hogan wants out, then the club will facilitate a deal that works for everyone involved.  As you say, it's in nobodies interest to hold on to a player who doesn't want to be here.  We support their decision, get a fair deal in return and move on.  It would be the same with Dean Kent, AVB and so forth.

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13 hours ago, MadAsHell said:

Because as mentioned elsewhere, why would Gold Coast trade him now for that potential price, when they could hold onto him for 12 months, let him walk as a free abent and end up with another top 4 pick.

It's a nice thought, but no chance Gold Coast would go for it. Plenty of players meet with other clubs and then stay where they are. Dustin Martin, Ling Jong. And Melbourne are confident Aaron Vandenberg will do the same.

Because the club knows he going..

So the Coach (Dew), would want to start fresh with new experienced players,,, who can help their kids develop while being competitive at winning games.  = hope.

Not holding expensive players on laybuy.

 

They GCS's will be on the lookout for mature experienced players who can lead the way, the right way.

Clear the decks time up Northern climes.

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32 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Once again, we won't be keeping players against their interest. It's not in anybody's interest, including ours, to do so.

You really going to double down on that silly comment? Glad you’re not representing us at the trade table binger!

Freo: “Sorry boys the best we can do is pick 5 and Ed Langdon or maybe swing a second rounder your way next year. Best offer. Cheers.”

Bing: “Gee shucks lads we were hoping for a couple of high first rounders now but we can see you’re in a bit of a bind and Jesse is a bit homesick .... look alright we’ll take that. But look after us next time golly gee!”

Again, there is a time to cut a quick deal and there’s a time to recognise you have the whip hand in negotiations and make your opponent (yes that’s what Freo are - an opponent) rightly pay up.

I’ll also say Jesse Hogan has uttered not one public word about being homesick, being depressed or wanting to go home. Not a word. Carlton played hardball with Gibbs when they felt they were being lowballed by Adelaide in 2016. Gibbs stayed on another year and finished top three in the Blues B&F.

Don’t get sucked into an emotional pull at the heartstrings. Jesse Hogan is a professional footballer and he will accept a business decision the MFC makes concerning his and the club’s future. 

We owe Freo nothing. And the player in question is contracted. So I repeat, they can pay the freight or go away and roll with their rubbish forward line again in 2019.

 

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We should by all means let the Neale trade happen first. By doing so it will allow us to then request pick 4 from Freo instead of pick 5.

The big difference here is that it will allow us to trump Freo on down trading with Port for pick 9/10 as pick 4 is worth more.

By doing this it will allow us to end up with picks 9/10 (and maybe Freos 2019 first rounder as part of Hogan trade). Opposed to just picks 5 and 9.

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I don’t think we should be waiting around for freo to make a trade with port. We should do that ourselves. 

Set the price 5&6 if they want him pay up otherwise keep him for another year. Freo are desperate for anything to sell their members and they will cave hogan is exactly what they need to sell hope and avoid slipping into long term irrelevance. 

if we do this we could make the trade with port and get steven May into the club as well as 2 top 10 picks to on trade or take to the draft. 

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Hogan is a young Full Foward who would of been an All-Australian if he didn’t go down injured. 

Tell Fremantle if they want Hogan they have to do a straight swap with Brisbane. Pick 4 for Neale. Then we trade Hogan for pick 4 and 5. 

Treloar was traded for 2 pick 7s

Lachie Weller was traded for Pick 2 

Neale is worth Pick 4 

Hogan is worth Pick 4 & 5 

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25 minutes ago, Big T Mac said:

Hogan is worth Pick 4 & 5 

Exactly.

We can then look to trade both  4 & 5 to GC and something else*  for May, KK and Pick 2 or 3 which we can then try to trade to Port for 9 & 10 or keep for another trade or to use in the draft. 

I'm not sure why a number of our supporters think that we would have to accept a trade like  5 & 10 for Hogan.  If Freo trade Neale for 4 and 22, then ergo Hogan is worth more to them than Neale (because that's why they're trading him). So it has to be pick 4&5, not the 'have my cake and eat it too scenario' that the Docker's supporters concoct.

Logically if the Dockers traded 4 to Port for picks 9 &10 before trading with us, we'd be asking for 5, 9 & 10.  If they want to keep an early pick then they have to give up either Cerra or Brayshaw who they then have to replace with that pick.

 

* We've apparently sought permission to trade our first round pick next year from the AFL, that probably only works from the AFL perspective if we use a first round pick this year so whether that's 4 or 5  for us to use or to bargain with one of the SA clubs that will tie themselves up in knots to draft one of the SA kids - who will be gagging to get as close to the number one pick as they can.

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