POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 21

[Webber 10,061]

2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

We had more scoring shots, and plenty of those were easy misses.  Kick those and we win.

Sure, but the point is that in these games we DON’T kick them because we choke, we choke, we choke. It’s part of being a successful team, holding your nerve. We simply don’t have what it takes. 

[praha 10,279]

1 minute ago, CityDee said:

Cool our jets eh demonland , 

we had our chances to win - wasted too many and I won’t name names but the boys will learn from this . They are hurting. 

Polish and dare I say it a player or two Milkshake and Hibbo we win that .

lose three in a row and finish 8 th .

huge chance. 

put the pipe down. 

[Wizza 170]

What is the point of even rocking up when we can't execute the simple task of kicking the footy through the big sticks? UNBELIEVABLE!!!! 

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Just now, Webber said:

Sure, but the point is that in these games we DON’T kick them because we choke, we choke, we choke. It’s part of being a successful team, holding your nerve. We simply don’t have what it takes. 

And as I've said earlier, I agree.  Our composure and skills under pressure has been found wanting.  And that links to the scoreboard - show a little more composure, kick straight and we win.

[frankie_d 1,407]

we're just not good enough. 

I couldn't get there. Sounds like my pre game fears came true:

MyMFCSS is firmly in-charge - I worry that this will be St. Kilda Mark II. Beaten in the mid-field, then sliced  open. 23 points down and half time, and never really  in it. That's what happens to you when you saw the last flag this team won, and have been belted up ever since.

[chook fowler 18,243]

Our forward entries were putrid - thanks Nibbler. Hand fed Alir Alir. Disgraceful considering they were with out Smith and Johnson. Poor decision making. Poor coaching. Mentally weak.

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,636]

Pathetic performance, bunch of chokers. Don’t deserve to play finals, all the talent in the world, but so little intelligence and so few able to stand up when needed. 

 

Seriously, this team should make the GF, yet don’t deserve to make the finals.

 

the media said you can’t trust us at the start of the year, they were spot on

[Mickey 4,173]

Like [censored] the players are hurting. They were supposedly hurting after end 23 last year. And after the first game against Geelong, and the game against the Saints, and the second game against Geelong.

They just can't handle the pressure against top 8 sides. It's pathetic how hard they make it for themselves.

 

[SFebes 4,692]

12 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

27 touches and 12 tackles whilst being tagged, Oliver is elite. I lost count how many times he was held at a ball up or stoppage and was being held without a free paid. 

Absolute freak isn't he, some of those one handed pickups just make your jaw drop and wonder how he does some things.

[jumbo returns 6,488]

8 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Poor kicking for goal is not why we lost!  Thinking like that is an easy out for those who want to play ostrich or just make excuses. 

We lost the game in the 2nd quarter.  Early in they kicked 3 or 4 goals because we had no-one guarding the goal square and the ball just bounced through.  Don't know leaving the goal square open was a coaching decision or poor on field leadership but it cost us big time.  They should not have got such easy goals. 

Those easy goals got their tails up and they started to play 'tempo' football brilliantly controlling the ball.  Time and Time again they would get the ball in their back 50 and with precision short kicks they had uncontested marks all they way to goal.  We didn't even touch it or get close to laying a tackle.  They got a few more goals that way.  Before we knew it they had 7 unanswered goals.  Note the # of marks:  Syd: 120.  Melb: 82.  I can't find how many were uncontested but it would be a large percentage for them.  They laid 77 tackles to our 69.  Poor kicking has little to do with those stats and a lot to do with work rate, game sense and back up plans.

We were comprehensively outplayed in the 2nd and 3rd quarter when our structures broke.  Our forward structures broke down as badly as our defensive structures. 

The big issue for me was that we were not even come close to countering their 'tempo' game.  They wouldn't let us play 'our way' and we were lost and flat footed.  That is why they won.

So........you can see it

The commentators saw it.....

The spectators all saw it......

Did the bloody coaching panel see it????

[DV8 2,271]

7 minutes ago, Big Carl said:

I hate to admit it but Mark Robinson’s assessment of MFC is spot on. We can’t be trusted!

Contrarily we can be trusted, and this IS the problem.

Trusted to be short of good enough.

 

We always over value our own, and our chances.

 

When we start to think we're good enough, we are really two good players off being that.    We are passive-aggressive as a club and supporters.

 

When confident, we over value our chances by at least 25% __

[DemonOX 8,530]

Melbourne never fail to disappoint. 

We are everything the swans ain’t. 

We will not play finals. 

Yet another season wasted and I have serous concerns about our coaches. 

 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

And as I've said earlier, I agree.  Our composure and skills under pressure has been found wanting.  And that links to the scoreboard - show a little more composure, kick straight and we win.

But I thought Sydney hadn’t been applying pressure in recent weeks?

[buck_nekkid 5,490]

OK, I have had the trip home to settle down a bit.  That was a [censored] disgrace.

We had a number of players who were down on form.  It is probably better to talk about who had a good game, as the list of ‘missing’ was massive.  Oliver, Hogan, Nibbler.  VBD was a disgrace in the first half.  Goal kicking.  Kicking into 50.  Footskills.  Thinking!!!!

Bad kicking is bad football.  I am past disappointed, because we shoulda and coulda, but didn’t.

Jones was a headless chook today, he had a stinker.

Pedo did a few things later, but was a poor selection.  Gawn was outmarked all day, even by a jockey.  Hogan couldn’t mark his undies with a shart.  TMac was awful at goal kicking.  It was endemic.  Oliver was either well held or just off.

Will be interesting (not!) to hear what Goody has to say.  More blah blah blah.  Honestly, he needs to upgrade the talent if he wants them not to wilt like little pansies.

A tick to Harmes.  Other than that??  Most of them can go and get [censored]

[Wiseblood 24,636]

2 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Our forward entries were putrid - thanks Nibbler. Hand fed Alir Alir. Disgraceful considering they were with out Smith and Johnson. Poor decision making. Poor coaching. Mentally weak.

I reckon 80% of our forward entries went in his direction.  It seemed strange - did Vanders play a forward tagging role on him, or did Aliir pick him up so he could zone off at every opportunity?

[Umpire Please 120]

53 minutes ago, drdrake said:

Nathan Jones chance to kick a captains goal out on the full.  Anyone that things we are mentally fragile is kidding themselves.  

What about F@@king Hogan four getable goals missed them all.

he could have won the game for us doing what he gets paid a lot of money to do , kick set shots from well with his distance. Lay off Jones, Hogan can only dream of being half as good a player for our club as Jones has been.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

1 minute ago, Clint Bizkit said:

But I thought Sydney hadn’t been applying pressure in recent weeks?

They hadn't.  Does today change the previous month?  So they apply pressure today and that changes the past?  

[Lucifers Hero 37,067]

8 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

We had more scoring shots, and plenty of those were easy misses.  Kick those and we win.

You just don't get it!!  That is an oversimplification that ignores all the things I mentioned in my post and ignores how the game was played. 

We didn't compete enough, we didn't tackle enough, we didn't control the ball hardly at all.  Our structures broke down badly.  But sure if you want to keep pushing kick straight and we win, good on you. 

I know you like to always have the last word so go it, this is the last from me. 

[DV8 2,271]

15 minutes ago, SPC said:

Thought he was good today and has been for a while.

'Good' isn't the question.  'good' isn't enough.  

No where near what we need.

 

I don't know what you see when you watch him but I see a player who should be lighter fitter and harder.  I seea player hwho could bbe quicker and more nimble and have more intensity.

 

I see the potential for an elite player IF he wants to get serious,,,  as Nev Jetta has done with himself.

 

Currently I see a lazy boy,,,,,  trying to play Pro-Sport.

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,281]

18 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Pedersen has been killing it at Casey and has runs on the board.  It's why he was picked.  I don't doubt that Dec would have given a contest, but after the Petty debacle I can't see the club going with him this season.

The Hunt selection, however, didn't par dividends, although you could argue a few of the other options like Wagner weren't setting Casey alight in the last month either.

Thankfully Hibberd and Melksham will both be back for the Eagles game to add some much needed experience and class.

Hunt was pathetic today, way underdone, Kent should've been in 

[bing181 8,167]

5 minutes ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

all the talent in the world

This is where it all goes wrong around here. 

[Wiseblood 24,636]

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

You just don't get it!! 

I get it.  Kick straight and we win.  We had more than enough of the ball, more than enough I50s and more opportunities than we could poke a stick at.  We didn't kick straight and we lost.

[bing181 8,167]

4 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

Pedo did a few things later, but was a poor selection.

That's not what most were saying Thursday night.

[Jibroni 4,057]

7 minutes ago, Webber said:

Sure, but the point is that in these games we DON’T kick them because we choke, we choke,  We simply don’t have what it takes. 

Agreed the gap from the best to our worst is disturbing. Very had to a take given the importance of today.

[Redleg 37,610]

54 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

0-5 in games decided by 10 points or less

Let's analyze that. 

In every one of those games we had more inside 50's and scoring shots.

The other side kicked well like Geelong's 16-4, while we missed sitters.

Players stood up and lead for the other side, while we were leaderless.

We lacked experience and made simple errors.

The umpiring favoured the other side.

We played players who can't handle pressure, hello ANB, Jeffy.

We played skilless players, hello ANB.

We lacked pace.

We lacked the coaching that could do something to win the game.

We lacked the mental capacity to do simple things correctly like kick sitters.

We made several stupid decisions.

We don't know how to save a game when it's close or win one when it's close.

We appear to be badly drilled when it's close.

We have players who can't kick 30 metres, hello Spargo.

We have no stars to drag us over the line.

We persist with bombing the ball into the F50 even when it is clearly not working.

etc, etc, etc.

 

 

Edited August 12, 2018 by Redleg