Changes v Brisbane

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3 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Good plan. We'll have 23 players to Brisbane's 22. 

ssshh ? 

they'll all want to.

2 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

I think Frost needs to come in so Lever can be a third defender. I would even consider moving Lever to the wing rather than let him be dragged to full back.

I thought Maynard did ok, especially in the third quarter on Ablett. In saying this, our midfield needs some pace and better kickers to complement Oliver, Petracca and Jones. For this reason I would favour Brayshaw over Tyson if we made a change here.

I would also play Petracca mostly at full forward. Our midfield can win enough ball without him and he would add significantly to our goal scoring power and forward pressure. 

 

I don't mind that. If he Leverage has the legs ?

 

Petracca in the goal square, leading up and roaming;  but rotating with Hogan, R/R to F/F.

If Frost is in the forward pocket as well, while TMc is injured, (defensive tall forward, stopping opposition marking) and 2nd efforts at ground level using his speed over the ground to get to contests,,, Petracca to lead up, and to rove the ball, use his power to break tackles and score.

I wonder ?

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2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

FB: Jetta  Frost  Hibberd
HB: Hunt  Oscar   Lever
centre back:  Lewis
C: Stretch   Oliver  Jones
HF:   Hogan  Hannan
FF: Petracca   Pedersen  Fritsch
Foll: Gawn    Harmes  Tyson
Int: Vince, ANB, Bugg, Brayshaw

Out: Wagner, Garlett, Salem (inj), Maynard, Melksham
In: Frost, Bugg, Stretch, Tyson, Brayshaw

I'd get our fittest guys in the midfield - means Stretch starting on the wing and Petracca predominantly forward, he can do the first 5 minutes of the quarter in the middle and then stints through the quarters.

Way too many changes suggested and find it strange you want Petracca out of the midfield.

He played well when in there and trained there all summer.  And if you go to training as often as it seems you'd note that Petracca's tank is miles ahead of where it was previously with him keeping up with the best runners.

Petracca is a dynamic midfielder and the 70/30 midfield/forward mix works well.  He'll kick as many goals from the midfield as the forward-line.

Edited March 27, 2018 by ProDee

[brendan 3,390]

Hogan had an mri on elbow today 

[Demons11 6,404]

3 hours ago, Monocology said:

Had a Barry - yes please.

He was concussed 

[brendan 3,390]

What’s with people wanting to drop Omac I can only assume those people never watched the game and just had a quick glance at the stats, I would love to hear those posters reasons for wanting him out I am genuinely curious 

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,092]

Many wanting Wagner being dropped , but I just can't see why?  

Was at the game and thought he was more than serviceable,  having watched the replay my mind has not changed.

He shanked a few kicks but he was very hard at the footy whenever it was his turn,  something that Goody insists on all his players.

[whatwhat say what 19,084]

15 minutes ago, brendan said:

Hogan had an mri on elbow today 

Eek

[jnrmac 19,054]

3 hours ago, nedariks said:

People calling for Oscar to be dropped have absolutely no clue.

Hawkins kicked 5 and 6 the last two times we played them.

He was kept goalless last weekend. 

Largely because Hawkins was a decoy dragging OMac up the ground and leaving Lever on the last line in one on one contests. 

Don't get carried away...

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7 hours ago, Demons11 said:

Don’t give credence that a bloke hit his target 93% of the time??? 

Let’s not let the facts get in the way of your opinion. 

That's not what the stat means.

7 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

It depends a lot on what "disposal efficiency" measures. For example, does it include a disposal which hits a target who is under immediate pressure and so we subsequently lose possession?

This is correct.

A disposal is effective if it travels over 40 metres to a 50/50. That doesn't mean it necessarily hits the target. It could bounce out in front of a clearly open player but, if it's 50/50 as to who gets the ball, that's still "effective". If you pick a terrible option but it's not a direct turnover, it's often "effective".

There are a lot of misunderstandings in the Champion Data stats (another is looseball vs hardball gets. They don't mean 100% precisely what they sound like).

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Just now, jnrmac said:

Largely because Hawkins was a decoy dragging OMac up the ground and leaving Lever on the last line in one on one contests. 

Don't get carried away...

I'm not sure that's accurate, but even if we assume it was (and there certainly were times when Hawkins pushed up the ground), it doesn't mean OMac played poorly.

We had bigger issues on Sunday than OMac, that's for sure.

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21 hours ago, old dee said:

My are so many expecting Tyson to be added this week?

it seems he was left out because of his reduced pre season and that he had not enough game time before the first match.

He has not played since so he has had no chance to increase his game time.

If the stated reasons are correct then how does he play next weekend?

You are spot on 'old dee', it would make a mockery of last weeks selection if he came in.

I really hope they do make a mockery as last weeks selection was wrong, he should of played.

Lets hope Goody is not too pig headed and realises his error.

[ding 5,126]

Heaps of changes just isnt gonna fly, unless they are forced by injury.

Look at the scoreline..... we could have won the game on the siren. For the sake of that one bad kick, would people have been happy to keep the same team who just beaten Geelong in a stirring, come from behind thriller? I think most would.

I get that several guys underperformed, but if we cant back blokes in to turn things around, we didnt trust them in the first place.

Im as annoyed as anyone that we (predictably) lost, but the only changes i would make would be for injury or match-ups.

Back the team in to win next week.

(If we lose though,  i want the whole team replaced*)

Edited March 27, 2018 by ding
typo

[buck_nekkid 5,496]

Should we look at second half rather than the whole game in making judgements?  After giving up 80 points, we did stuff differently after the long break...

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18 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I'm not sure that's accurate, but even if we assume it was (and there certainly were times when Hawkins pushed up the ground), it doesn't mean OMac played poorly.

We had bigger issues on Sunday than OMac, that's for sure.

Yes. Lever for one. Out marked badly on at least two occasions. By smaller players. Missed spoils. Dropped marks.

As  i have said already if tmac's younger brother had played half as bad as lever did jnrmac would have been lambasted him. As it is he can't even bring himself to acknowledge he played well ir even thst he did his job. Has to give him backhandeders like saying hawkins dragged him out of the game and was effectively a decoy. Strange. 

[olisik 4,060]

Classic MFC. Trade out a KPF for chips only for our two main KPFs to be injured by the end of round 1.

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1 hour ago, Hell Bent said:

Many wanting Wagner being dropped , but I just can't see why?  

Was at the game and thought he was more than serviceable,  having watched the replay my mind has not changed.

He shanked a few kicks but he was very hard at the footy whenever it was his turn,  something that Goody insists on all his players.

Fumbled a loose ball and missed 2 tackles that conceded goals in the first half. I like him as a player but he doesn't cope with the heat of AFL footy. More so than that he's not a tall marking defender, he's not quick, he's not strong one on one. He's the type of player we have lots of.

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1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Way too many changes suggested and find it strange you want Petracca out of the midfield.

He played well when in there and trained there all summer.  And if you go to training as often as it seems you'd note that Petracca's tank is miles ahead of where it was previously with him keeping up with the best runners.

Petracca is a dynamic midfielder and the 70/30 midfield/forward mix works well.  He'll kick as many goals from the midfield as the forward-line.

Petracca ran out of puff after a huge first quarter. It's early in the season and match fitness is different to training fitness and I get the feeling Tracc takes a while to build up. Plus we need a pressure player in the forward line and Tracc makes defenders nervous. I'd say that split I'd be going for is 50/50 to maybe 60/40 midfield. He'll play a higher percentage of game time if the forward time is higher as well.

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1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

Petracca ran out of puff after a huge first quarter. It's early in the season and match fitness is different to training fitness and I get the feeling Tracc takes a while to build up. Plus we need a pressure player in the forward line and Tracc makes defenders nervous. I'd say that split I'd be going for is 50/50 to maybe 60/40 midfield. He'll play a higher percentage of game time if the forward time is higher as well.

The balance is right and first game that happens to just about everyone.

Playing more midfield minutes will help him progress building his engine.

The forward-line needs to work better, but that doesn't mean throwing out a six month training plan to get Petracca into the midfield.

Hold your nerve.

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3 hours ago, DubDee said:

we got our structures right in the 2nd half (finally) and dominated geelong and you want to change a 1/4 of the team?

1-2 changes max if any

Were you at the game? 

The structures that we got right after half time was Lewis as a spare defender. We had 7 v 6 down back and 6 v 5 forward for the entire second half.

The associated changes that made that work were:
- Harmes on ball to provide speed and run
- ANB on a wing to provide run 
- Petracca forward to be a goal scoring threat and pressure

I don't believe playing with a loose man back every game is a sustainable game plan. It's not the one we trained for all summer. It makes scoring incredibly hard for us as well as the opposition and teams with better goal kicking forward than Geelong will take more chances than they did. 

I think we have to start games with a 6-6-6 set up but it can't be the same slow to transition midfield and wide open vulnerable backline as the first half against Geelong. So we have to look at what worked in the second half and adapt that to a balanced team.

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I had the game against Geelong marked as a 50/50 game. Looking back at the replay a few times I am disappointed that we did not win it, and not just by Gawn's kick. we had a big majority of the play and could have won it by 3 or 4 goals.

Not worried by the loss in the context of the season but still disappointed to lose it.

Changes for next week? I think we should bring in Frost to give a little more  depth to the larger bodies down there and I would like to see Brayshaw in the team as well.

Who to leave out? While I do like to see players given a few games to settle into the game style and pace of the game I just think Maynard needs more development at this stage. I would replace him with Brayshaw.

To get Frost into the team I would drop Lewis for his indiscipline in giving away that 50. For him to do that on top of his missing games through suspension last season to my mind is not acceptable.

 

Out: Maynard, Lewis

In: Brayshaw, Frost

 

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5 minutes ago, ProDee said:

The balance is right and first game that happens to just about everyone.

Playing more midfield minutes will help him progress building his engine.

The forward-line needs to work better, but that doesn't mean throwing out a six month training plan to get Petracca into the midfield.

Hold your nerve.

I've seen Buddy kick 8 on the Eagles and the Dogs smashed by 80+ by the Giants and I truly think the zone defending the peaked with the Hawks and Dogs 15-16 is now a liability and one paced midfielders and flankers are in big trouble. You can probably sneak one back flanker and one midfielder in who aren't quite at top pace but everyone else needs to run. And not just fast but with sustained fitness. That's what it takes to beat Richmond or GWS. 

A younger Brisbane side does represent a chance to extend that midfield time but I'd also like to get some rotations with others happening through there. In this hypothetical side of mine I've always dropped Garlett which is a big part of why I'd like Tracc forward. Jeff's in need of a long spell in the 2's to get his contested footy and positioning right.

[Jaded No More 58,124]

Soooo any word on Hogan?

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35 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Were you at the game? 

The structures that we got right after half time was Lewis as a spare defender. We had 7 v 6 down back and 6 v 5 forward for the entire second half.

The associated changes that made that work were:
- Harmes on ball to provide speed and run
- ANB on a wing to provide run 
- Petracca forward to be a goal scoring threat and pressure

I don't believe playing with a loose man back every game is a sustainable game plan. It's not the one we trained for all summer. It makes scoring incredibly hard for us as well as the opposition and teams with better goal kicking forward than Geelong will take more chances than they did. 

I think we have to start games with a 6-6-6 set up but it can't be the same slow to transition midfield and wide open vulnerable backline as the first half against Geelong. So we have to look at what worked in the second half and adapt that to a balanced team.

I was at the game. The second half we had 16 scoring shots to 7. I think we can work with the 22 we picked after 6 months of training and thinking about the game plan. 

Not having a go btw. I usually agree with your posts

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36 minutes ago, DubDee said:

I was at the game. The second half we had 16 scoring shots to 7. I think we can work with the 22 we picked after 6 months of training and thinking about the game plan. 

Not having a go btw. I usually agree with your posts

Fair enough, I only asked if you were at the game because it's harder to see set ups on TV. I'm just deeply concerned we aren't moving with the times and the teams that get their speed up and defensive systems right will get a jump on us.

[Redleg 37,689]

I think we should drop Oscar as he doesn't fit in with the rest of the side, every time he gets it, he gives it to a team mate.