POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 15

[At the break of Gawn 4,454]

25 minutes ago, Ditcha said:

Jack Watts was speaking pre game and saying thim him , Jeff Garlett, and Jesse Hogan all big chance to play next week.

What station was that? Said on Fox sports he's definitely not playing next week.

[jnrmac 19,944]

17 minutes ago, Wizza said:

Just didn't have the soldiers to pull that one off. 

Although, Harmes kicks that soda in the 3rd and we'd be down by only 1 goal. Players could have found some belief after that.

Harmes has let us down a lot with his set shots. That goal would have changed the dynamic completely.

[DemonOX 8,736]

It was just a really disappointing night tbh. 

[Dannyz 2,586]

25 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

I think Brayshaw, Smith and VDB on top of those outs, as they would be the ones to replace them normally, so we have had to go pretty far down the pecking order.

Just need to find a way to get some wins in the next month now.

Vandenberg is a key out. The link role which he performs admirably is the most difficult to play. His absence means we've had to use ANB in this role with mixed success and Petracca, who performs well but would be more damaging on the ball or one out in the square. 

[McQueen 17,864]

Neville Jetta BOG for mine tonight.

Having a cracking year.

Edited June 30, 2017 by McQueen

[BAMF 4,189]

21 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Has that been confirmed, or is it just hearsay?

Hearsay. But it makes sense. Not even listed as emergencies.

Edit: Just to share everything I know. A poster on the Melb board on Bigfooty said that the three were serving club level bans for not correctly preparing for last weeks VFL game.

Edited June 30, 2017 by BAMF

[DemonOX 8,736]

Oh and did I mention buddy is a [censored]. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, BAMF said:

Hearsay. But it makes sense. Not even listed as emergencies.

Maybe, but it seems unfair to spread rumours about players that are based on hearsay.  We can pay them a little more respect than that.

[DemonOX 8,736]

1 minute ago, BAMF said:

Hearsay. But it makes sense. Not even listed as emergencies.

That's a big jump to make Bamf. 

[BAMF 4,189]

Just now, DemonOX said:

That's a big jump to make Bamf. 

I'm not the one who made it. See the edited post above. I think there is smoke.

[Sigil 1,001]

4 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Neville Jetta BOG for mine tonight.

Having a cracking year.

He's an absolute ripper, no razzamatazz about his game and that's why he's not talked about much in the media. His body work is phenomenal against any size, spoils and gets the ball out. Love him!

Edited June 30, 2017 by Sigil

[CityDee 738]

16 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Noticed that too.

Hopefully the 9 days will be enough time to repair a strain.

Was thinking that for a few of the boys it's been a big month 

[titan_uranus 24,923]

This was the most excited I have been for a game since, I think, the 2006 elimination final.

As a consequence, this might be the flattest I've felt after a game in years.

The six-day breaks cannot be underestimated. It's also not just the breaks - each of our opponents came off a longer break (the Dogs had 10 days, the Eagles had 9 days, the Swans had 7 days) and we were coming home from Perth from the last one. We were listless early tonight, the players were just cooked after the last month and after having to pull a major effort out last week to get over the line with two players down.

Losing Viney just rubs salt into the wound. We're now missing Viney, Jones, Watts, Garlett, Hogan and Salem - that's easily six of our best 10 players, possibly with Tyson to add to that. That is an injury list that rivals anything GWS has had all year.

We only had about 6 players play well - OMac, TMac, Jetta, Hibberd, Tyson and Viney whilst he was out there. Gawn was destroyed by Naismith (I never thought I'd write that sentence), Oliver was down, Vince and Lewis gave us nothing (I have real concerns over Vince), and then we had the cavalcade of NQRs who all stunk (Bugg, ANB, Stretch, Harmes, White, Wagner).

White was appalling and clearly a bad selection. Someone at the ground said that Kent, Kennedy and JKH were all overlooked for selection because they went out drinking at a time they weren't supposed to have been - not sure if true but might explain why we played someone as terrible as White. Wagner was also awful and if we didn't have so many injures both ought to be dropped next week.

And finally on Bugg - deserves 4 weeks, if not more. Precisely why I advocated strongly for Schofield to be suspended. This is what happens when payers make contact to the head or to the jaw. There is no defence for Bugg and if he ever gets back into the seniors I hope he learns a lesson and pulls his head in. Disgraceful and tarnishes the other 21.

[btdemon 482]

16 minutes ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

Jeez mate, put down the razor. 

Not dead, just more realistic. This is a young team and we all got swept up in the bullish media hype. "Are they the Real Deal" and "Dees could go all the way in 2017". The "lid was off" for me BUT, not to the extent of playing in the last two weeks of the finals. I hoped we would make finals and maybe win a game. After that, it was probably unrealistic and not necessarily good for the trajectory of the team in the long term. There are still big gaps in the list and the Swans showed us a little bit of finals strength around the ball and composure under pressure. Hopefully guys like Oliver, Petracca and Hunt will learn from this. We will struggle over the next few weeks now with the injuries we have. Making the finals is now the goal again rather than overblown hype about Grand Finals. For the moment, the lid is back on for me.

[titan_uranus 24,923]

5 minutes ago, BAMF said:

Hearsay. But it makes sense. Not even listed as emergencies.

Edit: Just to share everything I know. A poster on the Melb board on Bigfooty said that the three were serving club level bans for not correctly preparing for last weeks VFL game.

I heard a comment from someone at the ground tonight which aligns with this.

Can't verify it at all, only passing on what I heard.

[McQueen 17,864]

And Zak Jones is a very good player with some serious wheels.

 

[Dannyz 2,586]

Why not try Vince forward? He played some bloody good games for the there for the Crows. A reliable set shot also. 

[SaberFang 7,151]

7 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

White was appalling and clearly a bad selection. Someone at the ground said that Kent, Kennedy and JKH were all overlooked for selection because they went out drinking at a time they weren't supposed to have been - not sure if true but might explain why we played someone as terrible as White. Wagner was also awful and if we didn't have so many injures both ought to be dropped next week.

Safe to say they've learned their lesson.

[btdemon 482]

57 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

Fair assessment. And Bruce has now become a parody of himself.

I agree, Bruce is ridiculous but the whole commentary team was appalling. BT is a complete fickwut. Why do we have to listen to moronic comments in such high profile games. I had to turn the sound down.

[Webber 10,442]

Funny old game, footy. And it's a funny old season. It took just this single game tonight to fully reverse our finals chances. More injuries to key players, and with only Hogan a potential in for next week, I'd be surprised if we're still in the 8 by the end of July. All that talk about us being a Premiership chance now seems so bizarrely premature. As has been said since the game came into being, a week is a long time in football! 

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,929]

It is pretty obvious JKH, Kennedy and Kent must have done something as there is no way Dion Johnstone would be ahead of them as an emergency. 

Tonight was not unexpected. We didn't lack effort but lacked spark and were 3-5 steps off our normal spread. This meant they had plenty of short kick options to use and we had no options out of the backline or into the forward line so just dump kicked on most occasions. Gawn seems to be lacking his attack on the ball in the air and holding position since his return and I hope it returns quicker than his beard grows.

Whilst it's great we have won 3 of 4 in 18 days the injury toll has killed us and I expect will ruin our second half of year more than we hope. 

If I look for good points tonight, we never dropped our heads. O-Mac is getting better and better. T-Mac could actually make a serious foil with Hogan on return. You realise how good Salem is when he's not there. You realise how good Petracca will be the more you watch him.   

Rest up. Reset. Go again.

Edited June 30, 2017 by big_red_fire_engine

[beelzebub 23,254]

29 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

You're kidding yourself if you think the season is over.  Our backs are against the wall, but we've shown the ability to overcome some of those challenges this year.  4 games in 18 days will make it tough for any side.  Let's see how the next few weeks pan out for us before we start giving the season away.

Lets take a lii reality pill shall we

Lets loojk at those likely as outs due to injuries od ... otherwise.

My comment went to the imho , wildly hands on groin, ideal we'd do much in September. Personally I never thought we would, nor this year. We're 3-4 players short of the necessary list and the run home doesn't help. Believe what you will.

For mine 2018 ought correct a few 'gaps' and with experience and momentum/belief we WILL impact Sepf.

By all means go back to choofing !! 

[Deemented Are Go! 3,676]

14 minutes ago, btdemon said:

Not dead, just more realistic. This is a young team and we all got swept up in the bullish media hype. "Are they the Real Deal" and "Dees could go all the way in 2017". The "lid was off" for me BUT, not to the extent of playing in the last two weeks of the finals. I hoped we would make finals and maybe win a game. After that, it was probably unrealistic and not necessarily good for the trajectory of the team in the long term. There are still big gaps in the list and the Swans showed us a little bit of finals strength around the ball and composure under pressure. Hopefully guys like Oliver, Petracca and Hunt will learn from this. We will struggle over the next few weeks now with the injuries we have. Making the finals is now the goal again rather than overblown hype about Grand Finals. For the moment, the lid is back on for me.

Yes, I agree with the realism and all your points. But to call it "season over" is a bit dramatic I reckon 

[danielE288 777]

Saw Jesse Hogan roaming the streets on Collingwood as I was on my way home. Pretty bizzare when the game had only ended 10 minutes before 

[BAMF 4,189]

1 minute ago, danielE288 said:

Saw Jesse Hogan roaming the streets on Collingwood as I was on my way home. Pretty bizzare when the game had only ended 10 minutes before 

Oh please.