MRP for Hogan and Lewis

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Maybe the only positive is that both players will hopefully come back better than ever and play with a much stronger thirst to pay back their teammates for letting them down, with some greater contributions than they previously wouldve made

Edited April 4, 2017 by DominatrixTyson

[demonoid 317]

Just watched him on 360 and while he didn't say what led up to it there was clearly something that did. The way that Viney went after Cripps too suggest that it had been building. Lewis's response suggests that he knows that he did something stupid but he's not remorseful. Interesting. Guess we will never know the lead up. Can't excuse Lewis. He was dumb enough to get sucked in.

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If we have improved from last year then we must find a to beat the Cats. Forget the [censored] poor effort against the cats last year,we to emulate the win the year before at sardina park.(not real name).Who is going to stand up,hopefull everyone.

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10 minutes ago, demonoid said:

Just watched him on 360 and while he didn't say what led up to it there was clearly something that did. The way that Viney went after Cripps too suggest that it had been building. Lewis's response suggests that he knows that he did something stupid but he's not remorseful. Interesting. Guess we will never know the lead up. Can't excuse Lewis. He was dumb enough to get sucked in.

He's supposed to be a leader FFS

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3 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

He's supposed to be a leader FFS

I do believe we agree on this. Read my last two sentences

[Deeoldfart 7,817]

Luey said he'd be spending the next three matches in the coaches box.  I like it, but not as much as I'd like it if he was out on the field.

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20 minutes ago, CHF said:

The Thompson one was not off the ball. if they are consistent with off the ball incidents i have no problem with it.

it technically might have been off the ball, but in both cases the players involved were each pushing/niggling each other so it's not like it was sniping or hit from behind.   for what it's worth, although intentional, i don't believe either of them meant to actually strike the head.  

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5 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

He's supposed to be a leader FFS

He is a leader. He did the same at the Hawks (as does hodge) and was a leader there and did alright

imo we would not have won without Lewis's aggression on Sunday 

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1 hour ago, Wolfmother said:

I would suggest you are a physio since you are placing on the same level as doctors and ethics 

 

To suggest a medico wouldn't exaggerate their report because of their ethics is laughable. 

@Wolfmother glad you had a chuckle pal

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15 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

He's supposed to be a leader FFS

While it would have been better for him not to be given a 3 week suspension, what he did was help to lead the team back from the brink.  Cripps was dominating at the time and the Blues were well on top.  Lewis (and Viney) clobber Cripps (yes, Lewis could have done it differently) and it sparks a bit of melee.  The end result?  It puts the Blues off their game a little, swings the momentum and we kick 7 of the next 9 goals and win the game.  Co-incidence?  Possibly, probably likely, but I still think Lewis summed up the situation and realised something needed to be done.  It worked.

Edited April 4, 2017 by Wiseblood

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30 minutes ago, demonoid said:

I do believe we agree on this. Read my last two sentences

Sorry I wasn't having a go at you but venting about Lewis. I don't doubt his value to the side but I didn't like him as a hawk and am having trouble warming to him as one of us.

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21 hours ago, Rafiki said:

I've watched the Hogan hit a few times and it looks like Rowe was legitimately rocked by it, both are fair penalties in my book.

What no-one has mentioned so far is the amount of shoving and body punching Rowe inflicted on Hogan before Hogan finally snapped one back. Hogan cops a lot of physical abuse with absolutely no protection or sympathy from umpire. Rowe is a dwarf sniper who got his comeuppance. If I had been Hogan I would have thumped him a lot earlier. 

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9 hours ago, Jaded said:

At the end of the day Lewis should know better, he is a leader and has a terrible record.

As for Hogan, good lesson to learn. Control your frustrations, or you'll miss games. 

Really bad timing as Geelong is a huge challenge this week, and Lewis missing the Richmond game isn't ideal. 

We know we can win without Hogan though. 

Once again, if you watch the footage from 3 other cameras, Cripps was giving as good as he got before he 'fell over' like an Italian soccer player.

So it's ok to punch and snipe but if someone retaliates and gets caught the retaliator becomes the criminal.

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Interesting to think about if there is really a difference in the two (if you are showing signs of concussion wouldn't that imply that the impact is the same?):

• Vince strikes Wright in head (behind play) and he appears (to their medical staff) concussed and has to go through all the testing for a quarter = 1 week suspension.
• Hogan strikes Rowe in head (behind play), Rowe is fine and plays out game and after the match gets delayed concussion = 2 week suspension.

 

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58 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

it technically might have been off the ball, but in both cases the players involved were each pushing/niggling each other so it's not like it was sniping or hit from behind.   for what it's worth, although intentional, i don't believe either of them meant to actually strike the head.  

I'm definitely old school here...our two dills, got in the final "punch". If ya gunna niggle, slap, push, poke, pinch and punch, or even b a smartarse sledger somebody will respond in kind, stupidly for a pro athlete I must admit..... I suppose.....but fairdinkum.... no "you're" right it's wrong.

We'll miss them, but somebody's going too get an opportunity, as well as the TEAM, too prove they're more than capable without the professional dills.

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14 hours ago, america de cali said:

Looks like a very dangerous manipulation of the rules if clubs are keeping injured players on the ground to avoid the 20 minute rest. 

Are people surprised that Carlton resort to lowlife tactics to distract from their own internal issues?

IF what is described is true then the club doctor(s) is / are behaving completely unethically.

12 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

The CFC's doctor report emphasised the seriousness of Hogan's actions on Sam Rowe by reporting that the victim had delayed concussion, dizziness and nausea. 

Therefore, I'd be shocked if Rowe plays this week. Concussion is a serious issue these days and it would be irresponsible of the Carlton Football Club to trot him out against Essendon this Sunday.

Surely the Doc wouldn't have added some 'mayo' onto his report. 

See above - there should be a top level AFL enquiry should these concussed players take the ground this week.  (As there should have been when the concussed Dangerfield played after the Trengove precedent decision.

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Did Hogan train today?

 

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43 minutes ago, dieter said:

What no-one has mentioned so far is the amount of shoving and body punching Rowe inflicted on Hogan before Hogan finally snapped one back. Hogan cops a lot of physical abuse with absolutely no protection or sympathy from umpire. Rowe is a dwarf sniper who got his comeuppance. If I had been Hogan I would have thumped him a lot earlier. 

Yep, gave Brayshaw a cut eye (although later) and punched Watts in the back of the head too. Rowe does it every week. 

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Lewis and Hogan remorseful says THE AGE

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/melbourne-demons-duo-jesse-hogan-and-jordan-lewis-accept-suspensions-20170404-gvd52g.html

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7 minutes ago, demon9 said:

Yep, gave Brayshaw a cut eye (although later) and punched Watts in the back of the head too. Rowe does it every week. 

In a really just world Rowe will get his comeuppance and it won't be at the expense of a player like Hogan.

Don't hold your flucking breath with the MRP system we have. 

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1 hour ago, chook fowler said:

He's supposed to be a leader FFS

How is going into bat for your teammates not being a leader?

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7 minutes ago, praha said:

How is going into bat for your teammates not being a leader?

I don't think that is what he was doing. Any way I've had my say so I'll leave it at that.

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Very happy to see us Bash that lot. About time. Too bad about the weeks but at last some real biffo from Melbourne players....Yeah! So much for a bruise free Carlton...cop that you mugs!

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Couldn't agree more SR, we won the game and we beat a bunch of sooks who were instructed to play the same way the last time we played them, with every opportunity taken to niggle and sly elbow when they went past. So stiff pooperackers!!!!

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3 hours ago, demonoid said:

Just watched him on 360 and while he didn't say what led up to it there was clearly something that did. The way that Viney went after Cripps too suggest that it had been building. Lewis's response suggests that he knows that he did something stupid but he's not remorseful. Interesting. Guess we will never know the lead up. Can't excuse Lewis. He was dumb enough to get sucked in.

What was building was Cripps' possession count and influence. Goodwin put the hit out - even mentioned Cripps specifically in his live comments during the break. If I recall correctly, Tmac also took his eyes off the ball at one stage to put some hard contact on Cripps. Lewis may have gone too far but he knew what needed to be done. The MRP knew it as well.