My 3 word player analysis V StKilda

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Just now, DemonAndrew said:

watching from level 3, hickey was very effective around the ground i thought. didn't mark it but also didn't allow gawn to impact the way he has in recent weeks.

 

hickey drew even with him i thought.

Yes,  I agree.  They broke even, which was a win for the Saints. 

Gawn wasn't "beaten".

 

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Hunt: Casey reserves material

[goodwindees 2,488]

The Club need to get off the media. Can't believe they allow Gawn to go and list the Top 5 ruckman in the game that he admires or aspires to.  Do these idiots not think the other 12 ruckman, eg Hickey aren't going to have that thrust in their face. 

The Kangaroos stated recently that they remind Ziebell about the fact that Roos once stated in the media that he lacks endurance. 

Get out of the media Demons until you deserve to be there. 

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18 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

The Club need to get off the media. Can't believe they allow Gawn to go and list the Top 5 ruckman in the game that he admires or aspires to.  Do these idiots not think the other 12 ruckman, eg Hickey aren't going to have that thrust in their face. 

The Kangaroos stated recently that they remind Ziebell about the fact that Roos once stated in the media that he lacks endurance. 

Get out of the media Demons until you deserve to be there. 

It didn't hurt Gawn to say he aspired to take the number one mantle from Goldy...I think too much is made of this stuff.

The club need to be in the media, it's good for fans and sponsors.

St Kilda basically had their entire pre game on ABC yesterday, access to before the match talks and on ground warm ups. I don't think it hurt them.

 

[Slartibartfast 17,279]

2 hours ago, ProDee said:

They broke even.

And Joeboy, Watts was hopeless.  He was back to the non-competitive version.

A leopard never changes its spots. And I'm not talking about Watts. 

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4 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

A leopard never changes its spots. And I'm not talking about Watts. 

You rated his game ?  You were there ?

Wow.  It's amazing how some people can view football so differently (assuming you thought he had a crack). 

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13Jimmy Toumpas

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Christian Petracca

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On one of these threads somebody compared Toumpas to Petracca. These stats are Jimmy's debut game against the Saints in 2014 compared to Petracca's stats from yesterday. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Samael said:

13Jimmy Toumpas

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Christian Petracca

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On one of these threads somebody compared Toumpas to Petracca. These stats are Jimmy's debut game against the Saints in 2014 compared to Petracca's stats from yesterday. 

 

 

What's your point ?

[Samael 560]

Just now, ProDee said:

What's your point ?

None really. Just thought it was a strange comparison but the stats indicate that they had similar debuts.

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1 hour ago, Melbournepotter said:

Riewoldt - Leave him free

No! This is what we shouldn't have done.

[Mickey 4,684]

8 minutes ago, Samael said:

None really. Just thought it was a strange comparison but the stats indicate that they had similar debuts.

Doesn't show contestep possessions, and how many tackles did toumpas lay?

[Slartibartfast 17,279]

14 minutes ago, ProDee said:

You rated his game ?  You were there ?

Wow.  It's amazing how some people can view football so differently (assuming you thought he had a crack). 

Where did I say I rated his game and yes, I was there.

I thought we had 3 players yesterday that could be satisfied with their game and Watts wasn't one of them.  I also thought he was far from our worst.  I think the Saints worked a lot harder than us and had players round the ball so in many instances Watts was outnumbered. I didn't think he lacked effort, just impact.

His season thus far has been significantly better than he's produced in the past but yesterday was one of his two poor games.

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5 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

Where did I say I rated his game and yes, I was there.

I thought we had 3 players yesterday that could be satisfied with their game and Watts wasn't one of them.  I also thought he was far from our worst.  I think the Saints worked a lot harder than us and had players round the ball so in many instances Watts was outnumbered. I didn't think he lacked effort, just impact.

His season thus far has been significantly better than he's produced in the past but yesterday was one of his two poor games.

We saw a different player. 

He was half-hearted in marking contests and his attack on the footy was substandard. 

I don't mind an off game, but his "efforts "were poor.  I wouldn't have made the comment I did to Joeboy if I thought otherwise. 

He's had a good year, but can't afford to drop off in the effort stakes. 

[dimmy 1,307]

It seems as soon as we go wrong, we get the whips out for Watts and Tmac.

Watts got into a few really good contests. He is presenting a lot more forcibly than in the past. Credit to him and the coaching staff.

Tmac : short memories ,some people. He held us together in the first half against Richmond. Leads the 1% categories every week !!!

The weakness yesterday was our incapacity to limit their rebounds. Maybe that is a weakness in our game plan. Sydney learnt to do it well both ways. Comes down to organisation.

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MFC - Too much media

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6 hours ago, DemonAndrew said:

hogan - he's a freak

nathan jones - played like cotchin

salem - absent, then concussed

watts - excellent second efforts

petracca - started very nervously

viney - the new sellwood

lumumba - offers no leadership

gawn - beaten around ground

tyson - good last quarter

dunn - offered little coverage

kent - a barry crocker

frost - where'd he go?

pedersen - embarrassing and inept

vince - on media street

tom mcdonald - looked very slow

hunt - overwhelmed and exposed

bugg - no celebrations again

kennedy - ineffectual and underwhelming

garlett - chocolates to carab

jetta - exposed too often

wagner - can't defend individually

 

I like this list ^

Harmes - time for Casey

Pederson - indecision cost us

Bugg - Shhh'd this week 

 

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4 hours ago, dimmy said:

It seems as soon as we go wrong, we get the whips out for Watts and Tmac.

Watts got into a few really good contests. He is presenting a lot more forcibly than in the past. Credit to him and the coaching staff.

Tmac : short memories ,some people. He held us together in the first half against Richmond. Leads the 1% categories every week !!!

I laugh when I see people calling for TMAC's head. Don't they realize when he plays poorly we lose? Drop him and we're no chance. 

Just so so dumb. 

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We clearly need an effective 2nd tall forward. Some one to take the 2nd best defender. This releases Watts as the 3rd forward. Frost is not and has never been a forward. Peterson is just a toiler, sometimes he will do ok and other times he will go missing, more of a swingman than anything else. As for yesterday, I believe we lost because the entire team didn't work hard enough but inparticular our midfield. To my eye the saints midfielders would have covered 20% more territory than our boys. The second point is I watched the exact same match against St Kilda last year, only difference was it was at the G. We were out coached that day and again today. Very poor coaching displayed today from Roos. The pattern of play was evident from half way through the 1st quarter and yet there was no reaction from the coaches box.

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21 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I laugh when I see people calling for TMAC's head. Don't they realize when he plays poorly we lose? Drop him and we're no chance. 

Just so so dumb. 

Yes he can be ( dumb that is ). When there is such a large gap between his best and worst it always is going to result in frustration. He has to narrow that gap considerably otherwise he will continue to cop it.

[Demon17 5,188]

On ‎30‎/‎04‎/‎2016 at 4:40 PM, leave it to deever said:

So many absent players.

You did well to restrain youself.

Why were thye talking about playing finals during the week. They werent even in the eight.

Lets be confident but lets not get too far ahead either

We win 2 in a row like any good side should and then put on this crap.

Looks like they over trained.......they were cooked on toast.

If you read Viney's comment re: finals, he was asked the question and why wouldn't he say that it was an expectation they were in the mix.  If he didn't have that mindset this time in the season why do we all care in that case.

Viney didn't initiate the issue the press asked him and that was the headline.

 

Now watch the media run with that hare until the next sucker provides them with a new headline.  Headlines equals sales of papers - its that simple.

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9 hours ago, Samael said:

None really. Just thought it was a strange comparison but the stats indicate that they had similar debuts.

Yeah well, Petracca goes hard something that the ex Demon NEVER DID!

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Team: Looked very tired

[daisycutter 29,616]

1 hour ago, Demon17 said:

If you read Viney's comment re: finals, he was asked the question and why wouldn't he say that it was an expectation they were in the mix.  If he didn't have that mindset this time in the season why do we all care in that case.

Viney didn't initiate the issue the press asked him and that was the headline.

 

Now watch the media run with that hare until the next sucker provides them with a new headline.  Headlines equals sales of papers - its that simple.

fortunately (for us) there are quite a few clubs this year under the media scrutiny including many powerhouse clubs.

but i agree we should avoid making any silly statements until we have much more consistency and keep a lower profile without being invisible

[old dee 23,791]

13 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

fortunately (for us) there are quite a few clubs this year under the media scrutiny including many powerhouse clubs.

but i agree we should avoid making any silly statements until we have much more consistency and keep a lower profile without being invisible

Seems two of our three wins so far have been against poor sides who are going to finish in the bottom six.

We have got a little in front of ourselves and started believing that 4 kids are world beaaters when they are actually just good VFL players at this point.

I am still confident of 10 wins this year but to suggest finals in 2016 is gilding the lily somewhat.

We still half no CHF, no HB flankers and our CHB and FB are average AFL players.

 

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Hogan: Goal kicking putana.

Edited May 1, 2016 by america de cali