Angus Brayshaw's knee injury (minor strain - 4 weeks)

[Stinger 463]

I think he'll be back before 4 weeks. As jones said - he's an absolute professional in the way he goes about it - so no doubt he'll be diligent in rehab.  

[JV7 2,351]

As far as knees go it's probably best case but the timing is not ideal. This just puts him back 4 weeks behind everyone else.. Rather then having match fitness built up over the NAB challenge, it'll be round 5-6 before his match fitness is in prime condition.. It is what it is though! 

Edited March 2, 2016 by JV7

[Deestroy All 14,266]

3 hours ago, Curry & Beer said:

show me the bit that isn't accurate

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or it could be like Frost...

It's a pessimistic guess, or negative.

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3 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

Aww ya poor thing.
Tell that to the Dawks.
I want us to play like that.
Hartlett and Brayshaw were in a pointless bump-a-thon before the bounce.
Though I'm not convinced it was deliberate Hartlett saw an opportunity to inflict abit of pain and took it.
I'd expect our players to do the same.
I know Viney does.

 

yep, exactly.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

If he doesn't get up for Round 1 then he'll be right for 2 or 3.

Plus if it ends up being a few weeks longer to be safe and to make sure he is right to go then I'd rather that than him going down with something worse. 

[chook fowler 19,459]

3 hours ago, Stinger said:

I think he'll be back before 4 weeks. As jones said - he's an absolute professional in the way he goes about it - so no doubt he'll be diligent in rehab.  

It will be the club holding him back

[dee-luded 2,959]

he should have his base right now,  so he'll have to do a lot of work to maintain it.  match fitness is another matter.  maybe starts from bench ?  Rnd 2 or 3?

[Little Goffy 14,579]

If Brayshaw or Petracca are anything sure of fully clear of injury and fully fit, they come back in increments through the VFL.

Petracca doesn't have a single game of exposed form to go on and hasn't played a game at all for more than a year. In fact, apparently he's played more basketball than football in that time! A VFL intro, prove he's ready, and then we can talk about AFL games.

Besides, we need every player as fresh as possible for the finals. Managing the load of the kids is a key advantage of having a little bit of depth to call on at last.

[ILLDieADemon 804]

This is why I hate the NAB cup

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13 hours ago, dee-luded said:

what about PCL ?

I'm with you.

[Sydney Pennski 296]

Four weeks - do we believe this?

[beelzebub 23,380]

8 minutes ago, Sydney Pennski said:

Four weeks - do we believe this?

ask me in 6 !! 

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

9 hours ago, ILLDieADemon said:

This is why I hate the NAB cup

They're just practice games. Every single club wants to play them.

Every player in every interview I have ever listened to says there's a huge difference between training fitness and match fitness, the latter of which you only get playing games.

Whether you have a formalised practice game competition or not (i.e. NAB Cup), clubs will arrange to play a few games against one another before the season proper starts. It's a necessary part of a club's preparations for the season proper.

And injuries happen at training too. It's part of the game - it is a contact sport after all, even if this club has traditionally avoided physical contact (i.e. the 'bruise free' period). Injuries will continue to occur.

 

[nutbean 8,838]

9 hours ago, ILLDieADemon said:

This is why I hate the NAB cup

Petracca did his knee in an interclub match - NAB matches are practice matches.

So do we go into the season proper without players really getting the rust of their systems, testing new game plans or playing players in alternative positions.

Injuries happen - they happen at training, they happen at intra club games and they will happen at NAB cup games.

 

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On 2 March 2016 at 9:07 AM, nutbean said:

Petracca did his knee in an interclub match - NAB matches are practice matches.

So do we go into the season proper without players really getting the rust of their systems, testing new game plans or playing players in alternative positions.

Injuries happen - they happen at training, they happen at intra club games and they will happen at NAB cup games.

It was even more innocuous than that; he injured it leading for a mark in a training drill. Injuries can happen at any time, and there's no point putting players in cotton wool until round one. I'd rather see us prepare by playing our strongest team possible so that we can make winning a habit.

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"It was just part of a normal training drill. He came out to lead and just went to change direction and felt his knee twist. We obviously have got the result we have now. There was nothing really in the incident at all," Mahoney said. "Out of a training incident, which they do every day, to get the result today is devastating for Christian."

Source: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/melbournes-christian-petracca-out-for-season-after-rupturing-his-acl-20150216-13g291.html#ixzz41n1j441q 
 

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13 hours ago, dee-luded said:

he should have his base right now,  so he'll have to do a lot of work to maintain it.  match fitness is another matter.  maybe starts from bench ?  Rnd 2 or 3?

I'm not sure the extra 2 minutes he'll get before playing will make a significant amount of difference.

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On 2 March 2016 at 11:15 PM, ILLDieADemon said:

This is why I hate the NAB cup

 

On 2 March 2016 at 9:07 AM, nutbean said:

Petracca did his knee in an interclub match - NAB matches are practice matches.

So do we go into the season proper without players really getting the rust of their systems, testing new game plans or playing players in alternative positions.

Injuries happen - they happen at training, they happen at intra club games and they will happen at NAB cup games.

ILLD - so should we go into a season without any match practice?  No intraclub? Not even training drills?  You would no doubt then complain about poor starts to the season  

The only significant pre season injury I can remember we have had in a inter club practice match that we would not have had in intraclub or at training is Sylvia's malicious broken jaw.

[Tony Tea 2,809]

The AFL should abolish both pre-season competitions and pre-season practice matches. There is no need for either. The only reason they exist is because they exist. (Perhaps the AFL scratch a little money out of NAB.) There is nothing that can't be achieved in a practice match against another club that can't be achieved by in-house match practice.

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3 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

The AFL should abolish both pre-season competitions and pre-season practice matches. There is no need for either. The only reason they exist is because they exist. (Perhaps the AFL scratch a little money out of NAB.) There is nothing that can't be achieved in a practice match against another club that can't be achieved by in-house match practice.

I disagree, you only need to look at what happened between Tommy Mac and Viney to see this. If you're playing against your teammates there is a tendency to hold back in intensity. Playing against other teams gives you a look at how they stack up against other clubs. How many times have we heard the line "the boys are flying this pre-season"? Until you come up against other teams you know nothing. Plus game plans can look great in-house, but look like crap against other teams (as our previous senior coach will tell you).

They exist because a lot of the coaches/clubs still want them. I would suggest that they could be reduced to 2 instead of 3 though.

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29 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

The AFL should abolish both pre-season competitions and pre-season practice matches. There is no need for either. The only reason they exist is because they exist. (Perhaps the AFL scratch a little money out of NAB.) There is nothing that can't be achieved in a practice match against another club that can't be achieved by in-house match practice.

You can argue there only needs to be 2 games or even 1 game. And you can argue they shouldn't be televised or even governed by AFL policies and should be agreements between the 2 clubs on conditions of play. 

But there's no way teams will or should ever want to go in to the season without practice matches. Any NAB challenge injuries would be multiplied in round 1 without decent practice matches and clubs will have no way to effectively trial new game plans and new players.

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28 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

The AFL should abolish both pre-season competitions and pre-season practice matches. There is no need for either. The only reason they exist is because they exist. (Perhaps the AFL scratch a little money out of NAB.) There is nothing that can't be achieved in a practice match against another club that can't be achieved by in-house match practice.

Sorry but you clearly have no idea. To abolish any form of practise match is just absurd. With where the game is going players need match practice to tune up before round 1. Intensity levels goes up a notch from in house practice match to Nab challange games. Then the jump to round 1 when the real stuff begins goes through the roof.

Players are at more risk of getting more soft tissue injuries in round 1 if they haven't had the match fitness base leading up to it.

Honestly i love the Nab challange because its an opportunity to tune our game plan and get fitness into guys who have had interupted pre seasons. The Brayshaw injury is just a human nature thing thats happens in all physical contact sport. 

Id rather go into round 1 with full momentum and confidence then lagging behind with no match practice.

[Tony Tea 2,809]

With respect, Pates, DS and Dazz, I disagree with you all. 

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

also from an entertainment POV, the early rounds would be decidedly more 'rusty' games of footy to spectate

that's why you practice things before the actual event

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2 hours ago, nutbean said:

Petracca did his knee in an interclub match - NAB matches are practice matches.

So do we go into the season proper without players really getting the rust of their systems, testing new game plans or playing players in alternative positions.

Injuries happen - they happen at training, they happen at intra club games and they will happen at NAB cup games.

 

if we did,  there would be a big increase in injuries from the intensity onset .

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11 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Sorry but you clearly have no idea. To abolish any form of practise match is just absurd. With where the game is going players need match practice to tune up before round 1. Intensity levels goes up a notch from in house practice match to Nab challange games. Then the jump to round 1 when the real stuff begins goes through the roof.

Players are at more risk of getting more soft tissue injuries in round 1 if they haven't had the match fitness base leading up to it.

Honestly i love the Nab challange because its an opportunity to tune our game plan and get fitness into guys who have had interupted pre seasons. The Brayshaw injury is just a human nature thing thats happens in all physical contact sport. 

Id rather go into round 1 with full momentum and confidence then lagging behind with no match practice.

Tony's right,  in an even playing field all players would be whats considered under done.    but the media would scream & it would also allow other sports to fill the papers pages.  its a tangled web we've spun.