Goodwin Style v. Clarkson Style

[3Dee 1,153]

my cats breath smells like cat food

[Gorgoroth 12,963]

my cats breath smells like cat food

But did you bend your wookie?

[ManDee 7,153]

That's what happens when you search style & wookie

Edited October 13, 2015 by ManDee

[poita 3,902]

I really have no idea what Goodwin brings to the table but his demeanour suggests he more laid back than roos. Clarko is a great motivator and seems to be respected by his playing group.

Roos shortlisted who he wanted, so given Goodwin got the gig you would expect he would bring his own style mixed with a bit of roos' style of coaching. I think he will be defensively minded but he will have the guys hitting the scoreboard a bit more. I'm still in that "wait and see frame of mind" with Goodwin. I really hope he is the guy to help us get the next flag.

How often does someone picking their own successor work out? In all likelihood Roos has gone looking for a certain type of person with certain qualities, and found Goodwin. Whether they are the qualities that are required to be a successful AFL coach in the modern game is another matter entirely. Because it is pretty clear to me that Roos is still living a game plan that outlived it's usefulness the best part of a decade ago.

I'm very apprehensive about this, particularly given that guys like Beveridge and Simpson have been able to have a massive impact within a short amount of time, yet it is taking Roos a lot longer to turn us around. I would love to know what Goodwin provides that Beveridge (for example) doesn't.

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

How often does someone picking their own successor work out? In all likelihood Roos has gone looking for a certain type of person with certain qualities, and found Goodwin. Whether they are the qualities that are required to be a successful AFL coach in the modern game is another matter entirely. Because it is pretty clear to me that Roos is still living a game plan that outlived it's usefulness the best part of a decade ago.

I'm very apprehensive about this, particularly given that guys like Beveridge and Simpson have been able to have a massive impact within a short amount of time, yet it is taking Roos a lot longer to turn us around. I would love to know what Goodwin provides that Beveridge (for example) doesn't.

You are not the only one to have these thoughts...The weight on Goodwin's shoulders is going to be massive once Roosy steps back

I can only hope that it is taking longer for the MFC to respond to change rather than Simpson or Beveridge because our previous CEO did such deep seated damage before he was removed....

[chook fowler 19,459]

I think the players have liked the continuity thing. Most seem happy to stay where under the old arrangements there was a risk of a mass exodus. I am also reassured by PJ. and Josh Mahoney being behind the scenes.

Goodwin was marked as a rising star of coaching before his appointment so I can't see where the problem is.

[Fork 'em 6,984]

Goodwin was marked as a rising star of coaching before his appointment so I can't see where the problem is.

By who?

I remember Mark Neeld being similarly marked.

[daisycutter 29,616]

By who?

I remember Mark Neeld being similarly marked.

picking which assistant coach will transmogrify into a successful head coach is as big a chook raffle as the national draft

[Coq au vin 755]

Yes, fair call. Hopefully we have been busy collecting the attributes necessary to compete with the top teams.

For a start, I'm a still concerned we have too many lightweight players.

and too many $hit players

[Tony Tea 2,809]

I don't know how much Goodwin has contributed to the Dees' current gameplan (Roos last week said Goody had increased his involvement across the board), but fingers crossed Goody is capable of finding a way through opponents' zone defences instead of loading their slingshots like we did yesterday.

It's fair to say St Kilda's Clarko style embarrassed us. We looked utterly clueless as the Saints ran training drills out of our forward line.

Don't put any money on us beating West Coast, Hawthorn, Footscray and Carlton.

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

On 5/1/2016 at 6:45 PM, Tony Tea said:

I don't know how much Goodwin has contributed to the Dees' current gameplan (Roos last week said Goody had increased his involvement across the board), but fingers crossed Goody is capable of finding a way through opponents' zone defences instead of loading their slingshots like we did yesterday.

It's fair to say St Kilda's Clarko style embarrassed us. We looked utterly clueless as the Saints ran training drills out of our forward line.

Don't put any money on us beating West Coast, Hawthorn, Footscray and Carlton.

I felt yesterday was as much a result of our lack of speed and ability to stick with opponents as anything else, we didn't get back in numbers so the zone was awful. 

One thing with Clarko is people talk about how good they are in attack, and rightfully so, but they're also a brilliant defensive team.

we've heard Goody talk about how much he values contest and defense, the contested side i think we're fine, we're going to compete with every side in that area right now and we are going to improve a lot there when guys like Petracca, Brayshaw, Oliver and Trengove get into form and into the side.

right now we're not getting the balance right, our attack is infinitely better than he has been in a long time and we are kicking 100 plus points without relying on Hogan which is a huge improvement and allowing us to be more enjoyable to watch, but we are also leaking goals pretty heavily to do so.

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

20 hours ago, Tony Tea said:

I don't know how much Goodwin has contributed to the Dees' current gameplan (Roos last week said Goody had increased his involvement across the board), but fingers crossed Goody is capable of finding a way through opponents' zone defences instead of loading their slingshots like we did yesterday.

It's fair to say St Kilda's Clarko style embarrassed us. We looked utterly clueless as the Saints ran training drills out of our forward line.

Don't put any money on us beating West Coast, Hawthorn, Footscray and Carlton.

I'm not sure on the Carlton one. I was in fits of laughter watching them against Essendon yesterday.

They are horrendous.

[Tony Tea 2,809]

Carlton might be horrendous, but they beat Essendon, and if they beat Geelong today they will also be 5-5.

One again: don't put money on us beating Carlton.

[bandicoot 1,395]

On 1 May 2016 at 6:45 PM, Tony Tea said:

I don't know how much Goodwin has contributed to the Dees' current gameplan (Roos last week said Goody had increased his involvement across the board), but fingers crossed Goody is capable of finding a way through opponents' zone defences instead of loading their slingshots like we did yesterday.

It's fair to say St Kilda's Clarko style embarrassed us. We looked utterly clueless as the Saints ran training drills out of our forward line.

Don't put any money on us beating West Coast, Hawthorn, Footscray and Carlton.

Agree... We have no idea how to beat clarkson style play. 

[Tony Tea 2,809]

What Carlton do is identical to Saints, Hawks, Dogs and Eagles - soak up pressure, then slice you up on the rebound.

The most startling aspect of Clarko footy is that those sides get more players around the footy, and then more players in the loose. How the blazes do they do it?

[angrydee 842]

34 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

What Carlton do is identical to Saints, Hawks, Dogs and Eagles - soak up pressure, then slice you up on the rebound.

The most startling aspect of Clarko footy is that those sides get more players around the footy, and then more players in the loose. How the blazes do they do it?

Hard work, hard running, selfless play and sticking to their roles snd the game plan.

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

36 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

What Carlton do is identical to Saints, Hawks, Dogs and Eagles - soak up pressure, then slice you up on the rebound.

The most startling aspect of Clarko footy is that those sides get more players around the footy, and then more players in the loose. How the blazes do they do it?

Doesn't take long to learn it either

The MFC on the other hand...

[bjDee 1,249]

3 hours ago, Tony Tea said:

What Carlton do is identical to Saints, Hawks, Dogs and Eagles - soak up pressure, then slice you up on the rebound.

The most startling aspect of Clarko footy is that those sides get more players around the footy, and then more players in the loose. How the blazes do they do it?

How's this: we play Carlton once, and also Geelong once.  Round 22 and 23. By then, our first game against the Blues and Cats, we will already have played the following teams TWICE: Pies, Saints, Suns, Hawks and Port.

No wonder it's called a FIXture. 

[Tony Tea 2,809]

I've given up worrying about the fixture.

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Goodwin needs to get more classy players to the club then it is fair to make a comparison

[Bitter but optimistic 22,241]

16 hours ago, Tony Tea said:

What Carlton do is identical to Saints, Hawks, Dogs and Eagles - soak up pressure, then slice you up on the rebound.

The most startling aspect of Clarko footy is that those sides get more players around the footy, and then more players in the loose. How the blazes do they do it?

I would like to know the answer to this question. At times against Port and particularly against the dogs I reckoned they must have had their whole 22 on the ground.

If you are outnumbered in one area, presumably you should outnumber the opp in another area. At times we are outnumbered everywhere.

Is it simply a workrate issue? Are some players lazy or not following instructions? Are players confused?

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7 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I would like to know the answer to this question. At times against Port and particularly against the dogs I reckoned they must have had their whole 22 on the ground.

If you are outnumbered in one area, presumably you should outnumber the opp in another area. At times we are outnumbered everywhere.

Is it simply a workrate issue? Are some players lazy or not following instructions? Are players confused?

For the forwards/mids? Yes I think the defenders are copping blame for the problems up forward.

Yes sometimes, but that depends on the player and how they seem feel on the day players like Harmes, Kennedy and Kent are becoming scarily bad downhill skiers, when we play well they all play well and when we play poorly they are near useless. Given 99% of our defencive gameplan relies on pressure in the forward half it is a serious problem

No i dont think so they have gotten it right a number of times but they just seem to panic a little when it starts to leak and the panic causes the flood gates to open. We need to have a couple of leaders to step up and shut the game down when we are under siege then reset. Right now we simply cant shut it down when we need to. Instead we need to wait for an opponent mistake to break the run of play.

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He did spend a bit of time under Bomber Thompson at the Dons.

I believe the offensive tactics the club is trying to employ more-so resembles those of the Thompson/ Geelong era (a lot of run and use of the handball).  

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

I personally think the players got caught  out front running. 

We can't be sure how big a part fatigue and inexperience players hurt our defensive style.

But on the weekene we had lomg periods of non defensive pressure and we looked sloppy.

Youth is a easy excuse but we can't hide from the fact we're playing a lot of youth and inexperience 

 

[Tony Tea 2,809]

Well, we get a direct comparison this weekend. "Direct" if you assume Goody is the one driving the all-out attack, and if you also assume I'm making a tendentious comparison. On current evidence - losses to the Saints, the Dogs and Port, who beat us the same way - we have no chance against the King of Clarko Footy. We'll just bang it long to Jesse, who will be covered, and the Hawks will stroll the ball out of defense and slice us to bits.

On the Port game. What gets up my sneezer is that Port hate playing against defensive sides. You clog up Port's space and you beat them. Instead, we gave them the whole of the Northern Territory to do their thing without once changing our defensive posture. Surely that means 2016 is all about practicing game style. Fingers crossed we eventually get the balance right between attack and defense.