The Trade/Draft Rumour Mill

[Demanding Success 298]

Yes, pick 88

[dee-luded 2,959]

So it looks as though the midfield is shaping up. What are people's thoughts on the forward line? We have got a wealth of talls with Clark, Dawes, Hogan and Fitz/Gawn, as well as Jumping Jeremy. So if the ball's in the air we're gunna get a hand to it.

But what about if it hits the deck, what are your thoughts on crumbers and goal sneaks?

lets sort our way thru the mids & smalls we have,,, apart from taking a 'talented project small' as a rookie. Next year after sifting thru the mids we can go to trade time to move some out & bring more talent in.

this way we have more spots available to play the mids we have. this will show us the values of our current players.

One thing I'd like to say is I's still like to have a crack at Billy Longer this trade period. see if we can swing a deal somehow?

Has the Shaw deal official yet? Last I heard gws want more.

Pick#9,,, we should still try for Taylor Adams or Shaw.

@ the very least we owe the Giants to make the Adams deal realistic. HShaw swap, pfft... Adams is worth more than that hack.

& we owe Pir^2 ed for making us pay too highly last year. lets pump up Adams's tyres nice 'N' high.

[T-34 409]

Why? If he decides to retire after one year what would you say then? If we get 3 years out of him that would be a maximum of 60 games. How many games would you hope to get out of a pick 22, I would suggest a lot more.

I agree he will bring experience and talent and as I said I just put the price on him as too much but ok if Lyons was included. Anyway it is what it is and our list is getting better.

Understand where you are coming from but if he takes the pressure off a developing youngster and allows them to come along without having to do it all themselves then it is a pick well spent.

[Demon_Tingles 211]

Why? If he decides to retire after one year what would you say then? If we get 3 years out of him that would be a maximum of 60 games. How many games would you hope to get out of a pick 22, I would suggest a lot more.

I agree he will bring experience and talent and as I said I just put the price on him as too much but ok if Lyons was included. Anyway it is what it is and our list is getting better.

If he retires after one year then I will be more surprised then if we were to win the flag. Won't happen. If we get 60 games out of him that's a win based on our previous drafting. Mature age knows how to find the ball and is basically a direct swap for Sylvia (who was so inconsistent it wasn't funny) I actually don't see how we lose out of this ?

[Redleg 42,054]

If he retires after one year then I will be more surprised then if we were to win the flag. Won't happen. If we get 60 games out of him that's a win based on our previous drafting. Mature age knows how to find the ball and is basically a direct swap for Sylvia (who was so inconsistent it wasn't funny) I actually don't see how we lose out of this ?

We don't lose but I just valued the pick higher than him. Mummy for example went 35 to GWS.

[Slartibartfast 18,050]

Was he contracted? PSD may have impacted. If not I agree. Ridiculously low compensation.

I like the Vince trade. He may play for 5 years. He will play for three and his benefit will be well beyond his games.

Shame we still don't have Moloney. As a third or forth mid he'd go ok.

[Hannibal 5,814]

Shame we still don't have Moloney. As a third or forth mid he'd go ok.

But we have McKenzie

[s-t-i-n-g-a 439]

We don't lose but I just valued the pick higher than him. Mummy for example went 35 to GWS.

That is not the best example as it would have had a lot to do with Swans needing to make cap space and GWS have offered Mumford an attractive deal and having PSD 1.

You could also the Tigers paid pick 28 for Hampson who is a muppet.

[buck_nekkid 6,089]

I suspect we have ticked off our wish list. Interesting to see what happens in the last week. Can we improve our picks? Do we move someone out? Do we facilitate a deal for others?

Very happy with where we are at. Excited by what may be possible!

[jnrmac 20,310]

Why? If he decides to retire after one year what would you say then? If we get 3 years out of him that would be a maximum of 60 games. How many games would you hope to get out of a pick 22, I would suggest a lot more.

Maric, Tapscott, Blease, Gysberts, Strauss all went below pick 22. Between them they probably haven't played 60 games.

[s-t-i-n-g-a 439]

I suspect we have ticked off our wish list. Interesting to see what happens in the last week. Can we improve our picks? Do we move someone out? Do we facilitate a deal for others?

Very happy with where we are at. Excited by what may be possible!

I recon we are happy with pick 9 and have our eyes on someone and that the players or picks remaining that we would be happy to trade would not get us much.

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

We only have two players - Jamar and Byrnes - on the list born before 1988 so from an experience point of view and looking at the list dynamic, it makes sense to get some 27-28 year olds in. I personally love him as a player, purely because he is a fantastic two-sided kick. As a club, we haven't had that kind of precision very often and he'll be useful setting up across half-back and kicking long goals. The concern is he has become inconsistent and in and out of games more these last couple of years. If he can find his best form and be in the 25 possession per game level, he will be our best midfielder by a mile. Because he is such a good kick other teams will have to put time into him which will help Jones and Watts and co as well. Ideally you want to have high picks, but I think Vince will play 5 years. He was an old draft pick (20yo) and only played a handful of Sanfl games so you've got to believe he has four years in him at worst and at least three of them in his prime. I don't think it's a great trade in terms of value necessarily but it's certainly not a bad one, but I fully expect Vince to be one of our best players for three years at least for what that is worth. If he finds his best high workrate/possession winning form, he will be one of the best players we have had at the club for quite a while.

[skills32 229]

And your new midfield is

Viv Vince & Viney.

Has a nice sound to it anyway.

[Adam The God 30,645]

The flying V, you reckon, skills?

[sue 9,240]

We will be able to quote Caesar

veni, vidi, vici

I hope.

[rjay 25,362]

Luke Dunstan maybe?

Will probably still be there at pick 19, I doubt he's one of the players Mahoney's talking about.

[Maldonboy38 6,420]

Paul Roos uses the trade and draft to build a team rather than bring in individuals with exceptional skill. Vince is a very good footballer, while Michie and Tyson have shown skill and potential but it looks like they have been chosen to complete a group of midfielders of about 10 players. This will likely form the guts of Roos' game plan.

We have a lot of players who can move through the back line and forward line but I reckon we lack two things:

A small forward.

A line breaking backman (Birchall, Shaw, Grigg)

I can't see either of these types available in the PSD, so we might have to wait until 2014 to trade them in. Food for thought though:

Small forward: Barry, Jetta, Byrnes, Strauss, Tapscott

Line breaking backman: Blease, Evans

[dazzledavey36 55,995]

I wonder if we will swoop in from nowhere and trade Pick 9 for Taylor Adams, much like when we swooped in and got Mitch Clark

Why would we get Adams if he didnt even wanna talk to us.

Screw him.

[jumbo returns 6,741]

Anyone still feeling a tad underwhelmed by Josh Mahoney?

[Spin-it-to-Goodwin-it 579]

Anyone still feeling a tad underwhelmed by Josh Mahoney?

No - he's doing a great job.

What are your concerns?

[Ron Burgundy 8,588]

Sylvia is a better footballer than Vince - perhaps not in 2009, but definitely in 2014.

That said, I think Vince will be a better footballer for the MFC in 2014 than Sylvia.

[Carrot Top 947]

Anyone still feeling a tad underwhelmed by Josh Mahoney?

I'm whelmed.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

Sylvia is a better footballer than Vince - perhaps not in 2009, but definitely in 2014.

That said, I think Vince will be a better footballer for the MFC in 2014 than Sylvia.

That's a certainty Ron!

[jumbo returns 6,741]

No - he's doing a great job.

What are your concerns?

None at all....I few on here were getting a tad impatient last week.

I'm so looking forward to 2014.

Now to bed down Chip, and I'll be over the moon.

[What 18,810]

Sylvia is a better footballer than Vince - perhaps not in 2009, but definitely in 2014.

Why do you say that?

Vince has him covered in every stat in 2013.

More disposals, more goals, more marks, higher disposal efficiency - all despite spending less time on the ground than SYlvia

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=2&pid1=1638&tid2=12&pid2=1383&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

And they are the same age.

Give me Vince over Sylvia any day of the week