Jump to content

Discussion on recent allegations about the use of illicit drugs in football is forbidden
  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Posting unsubstantiated rumours on this website is strictly forbidden.

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the issue of illicit drugs in footy, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.


The Neal-Bullen non goal


Elwood 3184

Recommended Posts

12 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

They took their time with Carlton’s review, they couldn't give a rats when the shoe was on the other foot.

But they took their time with this review as well. The AFL has ticked off on Carlton’s management of Jacob Weitering in Friday night’s semi-final win over Melbourne as the Blues this week prepare for selection “heartbreak.

  • Shocked 1
  • Angry 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

44 minutes ago, YearOfTheDees said:

But they took their time with this review as well. The AFL has ticked off on Carlton’s management of Jacob Weitering in Friday night’s semi-final win over Melbourne as the Blues this week prepare for selection “heartbreak.

He was concussed, who are these f wits trying to fool.

Double standards all-round.

Edited by YesitwasaWin4theAges
  • Like 6
  • Love 1
  • Angry 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, YearOfTheDees said:

But they took their time with this review as well. The AFL has ticked off on Carlton’s management of Jacob Weitering in Friday night’s semi-final win over Melbourne as the Blues this week prepare for selection “heartbreak.

Of course they did. Guy stumbling struggling to stand up and no doctor, trainer, physio. Nothing to see here.

  • Like 6
  • Clap 1
  • Angry 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Also, Cripps was allowed to stay on with blood dripping from his nose, and on his jumper.

Remember that game at Geelong when Touhy kicked their winner after the siren?  (?2018  round 1)

Max had a tiny cut on his lip(from another head-high non-free), with  a minute to go. He was sent off for the blood rule , and Tmac had to leave the backline to ruck. The ball went down there, they goaled, won, and  at the end of that season we missed making the top 4 by 4 premiership points .

  • Like 7
  • Clap 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

It has been very clear for many weeks that Gil and his merry mob want a Collingwood v Carlton GF and will stop at nothing to achieve it.

Carlton d Melbourne by overturning Petracca's clear goal - make the top 8 out of nowhere.

Carlton d Sydney narrowly with some dubious ARC calls.

Maynard free to play after that disgraceful assault on Angus

Carlton d Melbourne with (was it) 3 or 4 ARCs in their favour especially the one in question here - I don't remember seeing the Carlton defender pleading a case.  Why can't we see it here?   

AFL allocating us umpire 22, who crucifies us every time

I only hope that Brisbane crush Carlton,( or win by a point with a shonky score  review making the difference), and that GW$ demolish Collingwood right from the first bounce.  Toby Greene ironing out Maynard would be the icing on the cake - in a football act of course.

Edited by monoccular
  • Like 5
  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, monoccular said:

It has been very clear for many weeks that Gil and his merry mob want a Collingwood v Carlton GF and will stop at nothing to achieve it.

Carlton d Melbourne by overturning Petracca's clear goal - make the top 8 out of nowhere.

Carlton d Sydney narrowly with some dubious ARC calls.

Maynard free to play after that disgraceful assault on Angus

Carlton d Melbourne with (was it) 3 or 4 ARCs in their favour especially the one in question here - I don't remember seeing the Carlton defender pleading a case.  Why can't we see it here?   

AFL allocating us umpire 22, who crucifies us every time

I only hope that Brisbane crush Carlton,( or win by a point with a shonky score  review making the difference), and that GW$ demolish Collingwood right from the first bounce.  Toby Greene ironing out Maynard would be the icing on the cake - in a football act of course.

I hope they cop a fisting like the one we gave Geelong in the Prelim in 21.

 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites


5 minutes ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

No  definite evidence in that footage  that was  enough to overturn the soft call .

Carlton are so lucky so often with adjudications that it really makes you wonder how.

It wasn’t a soft call. It was a goal and nobody asked them to look at it.

I’m not usually into this kind of thing but it’s a borderline conspiracy. 

 

  • Clap 1
  • Angry 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yep, this one was touched and seemed clear enough on the second viewing.

But what fascinated me was the high resolution and high frames-per-second footage available in general play in the middle of the ground compared to the 1980s censorship blur that is available for goal-line decisions.

Every department at AFLHQ is amateurish except the marketing department which is obnoxious.

  • Vomit 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, No10 said:

ARC said this angle determined the overturning

FullSizeRender.MOV

In super slow mo frame by frame and blown up very close it looks touched for mine.

I can rest easy on this one at least

Edited by Demon Dynasty
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

19 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

In super slow mo frame by frame and blown up very close it looks touched for mine.

I can rest easy on this one at least

Frame by frame, zoomed in, I’d have to say not touched.

Doesn’t matter to me in regards to the result, we lost for many other reasons.
But I do care there isn’t the kind of aggressive pushback that would happen if this was a different club. That’s twice in a month (against the same team) that we’ve lost by less than a goal and ARC has made a critical decision against, with questionable evidence. Zero discussion in the media.

Would this happen to Carlton or to Collingwood?

  • Like 1
  • Clap 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

20 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Then how on earth did the Ben Keays goal vs Sydney remain a behind?

For mine, that was the biggest howler of the season since there was absolutely no question it was a goal, a fact that was confirmed when the AFL came out and apologised for it. At the time someone on here said who cares it’s Adelaide, I hate ‘em anyways. But that’s not the point. Even disregarding the fact that it cost Adelaide a chance to play finals, it was the most outrageous goal decision we’ve seen in a long time. 

Because it wasn’t given a goal there was no time to review. Game had restarted 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Too many goals and games this year were decided on fuzzy vision of 'fingernail' touches of the ball.  It is guesswork both by the umpire and whoever is viewing ARC.

The AFL needs to change this.

An option would be that if the ball is 'touched' by fingers or fingertips while the ball is in the air it is a goal!  It would need to be touched by the palm, back of the hand or arm.  Or have a variation of that with a more substantial definition of 'touched'. 

A rule change is especially required for when a flimsy touch is on a ball in the air in the goal square. 

Edited by Lucifers Hero
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

33 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Too many goals and games this year were decided on fuzzy vision of 'fingernail' touches of the ball.  It is guesswork both by the umpire and whoever is viewing ARC.

The AFL needs to change this.

An option would be that if the ball is 'touched' by fingers or fingertips while the ball is in the air it is a goal!  It would need to be touched by the palm, back back of the hand or arm.  Or have some variation of that. 

A rule change is especially required for when a flimsy touch is on a ball in the air in the goal square. 

How much easier if it is a goal if it goes through the goals.  No touched, no posters, no guessing. 

Would also force defenders to keep the ball in play rather than try to put it through. 

I have never worked out how a "touched goal" is a point, but a "touched behind" is also a point.

Edited by george_on_the_outer
  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites


2 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

How much easier if it is a goal if it goes through the goals.  No touched, no posters, no guessing. 

Would also force defenders to keep the ball in play rather than try to put it through. 

I have never worked out how a "touched goal" is a point, but a "touched behind" is also a point.

Agreed.  It goes thru it is a goal but reckon that might be a bridge to far right now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

51 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Too many goals and games this year were decided on fuzzy vision of 'fingernail' touches of the ball.  It is guesswork both by the umpire and whoever is viewing ARC.

The AFL needs to change this.

An option would be that if the ball is 'touched' by fingers or fingertips while the ball is in the air it is a goal!  It would need to be touched by the palm, back of the hand or arm.  Or have a variation of that with a more substantial definition of 'touched'. 

A rule change is especially required for when a flimsy touch is on a ball in the air in the goal square. 

Or just design a ball that has the touch / snicko science built into it.

Until then it's a goal unless proven inconclusively.

Or if that technology isn't available, as George has highlghted, if it goes through the two sticks (provided the entire ball breaks the plane) then it's a goal, touched or not.

Snicking of the ball by hand or finger tips really doesn't make alot of sense. 

The aim of the game is to kick the ball through the big sticks.  If it goes through it goes through, provided the last action was a kick from team kicking for goal.

So regardless, you would still need the snicko ball technology to ensure hands/knees/head/body hadn't come into play from a ricochet off a fellow player.

It would seem it's snicko ball or bust then!

18 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

How much easier if it is a goal if it goes through the goals.  No touched, no posters, no guessing. 

Would also force defenders to keep the ball in play rather than try to put it through. 

I have never worked out how a "touched goal" is a point, but a "touched behind" is also a point.

Edited by Demon Dynasty
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

As stated yesterday, the Adelaide V Sydney goal umpiring howler would have had to be the AFL's lowest moment since the competition changed its name in 1990. Cost a side a finals series.

Do people really think they would have made the most unforced howler 4 weeks later by incorrectly overturning a goal that should not have been overturned. I think not.

They clearly had conclusive evidence that wasn't available for the broadcaster to show the viewers.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

As stated yesterday, the Adelaide V Sydney goal umpiring howler would have had to be the AFL's lowest moment since the competition changed its name in 1990. Cost a side a finals series.

Do people really think they would have made the most unforced howler 4 weeks later by incorrectly overturning a goal that should not have been overturned. I think not.

They clearly had conclusive evidence that wasn't available for the broadcaster to show the viewers.

Clearly? You jest! Where is this footage that "clearly" shows a touch?

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

22 hours ago, Redleg said:

From the mistake on Tracc's goal against the Blues, which cost us 2nd position and possibly a flag tilt, I believe there have been 7 Arc decisions involving Carlton and guess what, every single one of them went Carlton's way. 

Luck, coincidence, or interference in a game?

PS. Re the ANB goal, which was called a goal by the Goal Umpire and not called touched by any field Umpire, it was a reversal of a goal, touched apparently, which again would have won us the game and which I can't recall seeing similar before.

Adopting my MFCSS hat I could say every new ruling always seems to go against us, Moloney weeks for non contact, Trengove 4 weeks for a sling tackle, where victim best on ground next week, Kozzie 2 weeks for a high bump with no injury and victim laughing, Sparrow sling where victim's head didn't contact the ground, etc, etc, etc. I am sure you can all come up with countless more examples.

The vagaries of the goal line decisions and the inconsistency of the MRO does my head in and I agree we seem to be on the wrong side of these on a regular basis.

The thing that really irks me is the guessing that goes on when an Umpire is clearly unsighted. There was a great example during the Carlton vs Sydney game. The Goal Umpire gives a soft call of "Behind", "I think it was touched" The ARC reviews and gives an insufficient evidence to overturn ruling. The problem was; during the playback of the vision, the ball clearly obscured the players hand and so it was impossible for the Goal Umpire to tell if it was touched or not.

Essentially and much like the Kozzie result earlier in the year, the result was determined on suspicion.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    GAMEDAY: Rd 07 vs Richmond

    It's Game Day and the Demons once again open the round of football with their annual clash against Richmond on ANZAC Eve. The Tigers, coached by former Dees champion and Premiership assistant coach Adem Yze have a plethora of stars missing due to injury but beware the wounded Tiger. The Dees will have to be switched on tonight. A win will keep them in the hunt for the Top 4 whilst a loss could see them fall out of the 8 for the first time since 2020.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 43

    TRAINING: Tuesday 23rd April 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin ventured down to Gosch's Paddock to bring you his observations from this morning's Captain's Run including some hints at the changes for our ANZAC Eve clash against the Tigers. Sunny, though a touch windy, this morning, 23 of them no emergencies.  Forwards out first. Harrison Petty, JvR, Jack Billings, Kade Chandler, Kozzy, Bayley Fritsch, and coach Stafford.  The backs join them, Steven May, Jake Lever, Woey, Judd McVee, Blake Howes, Tom McDonald

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    OOZEE by The Oracle

    There’s a touch of irony in the fact that Adem Yze played his first game for Melbourne in Round 13, 1995 against the club he now coaches. For that game, he wore the number 44 guernsey and got six touches in a game the team won by 11 points.  The man whose first name was often misspelled, soon changed to the number 13 and it turned out lucky for him. He became a highly revered Demon with a record of 271 games during which his presence was acknowledged by the fans with the chant of “Oozee” wh

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews 3

    TRAINING: Friday 19th April 2024

    They are out for a run just as it starts raining. It didn't last long, ended up a reasonable session weather wise.  Light duties, BBB, rehab Farris-White, Melky, Salem and Spargo, all with private trainers. They are all playing soccer, huge amount of noise. 36-40 (difficult to get a count) in the main squad, biggest I've seen it in ages. Choco is barking out the orders. Goody has intense body language as he observes. Bowey in a lime green cap (no contact), and in the sim

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    ICEBREAKER by KC from Casey

    The Casey Demons have broken the ice for season 2024 with a pulsating come-from-behind victory over Port Melbourne in which it took the lead for the first time at the halfway mark of the final quarter. The game played in mild Autumn conditions in neutral territory at Kinetic Park, Frankston, never reached great heights in standard but it proved gripping in character at the end at the Casey Demons overcame the Borough to win by 15 points after trailing badly early in the second half.  P

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    MAULED by Whispering Jack

    The writing was on the wall from the very first bounce of the football. The big men went up, Max Gawn more often than not, decisively won the ruck hit out and invariably a Brisbane Lions onballer either won the battle on the ground or halved the contest and they went at it repeatedly until they finally won out. Melbourne managed the first goal from Alex Neal-Bullen but after that the visitors shut out every area of Demon presence around the ground except in the ruck duels. It was a mauling.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports 4

    PREGAME: Rd 07 vs Richmond

    The Demons have a bye next week and have a 13 day break before they return to the MCG on ANZAC Eve to take on the Tigers. Who comes in and who goes out?

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 379

    PODCAST: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 15th April @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we analyse the Demons loss at the MCG against the Lions in the Round 05. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human. Listen & Chat LIV

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 56

    VOTES: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    Last week Christian Petracca retook the outright lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Max Gawn, Steven May, Alex Neal-Bullen & Jack Viney. Your votes for the loss against the Lions. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 44
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast 

  • Podcast Stream 


    Open Stream in
    New Window
        TuneIn    Opens in New Tab
  • Support Demonland  



  • 2021 Premiership  

  • Social Media 

  • Non MFC Games  

    NON-MFC: Round 07

    Discussion of all the other games that don't involve the Demons in Round 07 ... READ MORE

    Demonland | Round 07

  • Game Day      

    GAMEDAY: Rd 07 vs Richmond

    It's Game Day on ANZAC Eve & the Demons take on the Tigers, coached by former Dees champion & Premiership assistant Adem Yze. The Dees will have to be switched on tonight & a win will keep them in the hunt for the Top 4 whilst a loss could see them fall out of the 8 for the first time since 2020 ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 24

  • Training  

    Tuesday, 23rd April 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin ventured down to Gosch's Paddock to bring you his observations from this morning's Captain's Run including some hints at the changes for our ANZAC Eve clash against the Tigers ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 23

  • PreGame      

    PREGAME: Rd 06 vs Richmond

    The Demons have a bye next week and have a 13 day break before they return to the MCG on ANZAC Eve to take on the Tigers. Who comes in and who goes out? ...READ MORE

    Demonland | April 23

  • Match Preview      

    OOZEE by The Oracle

    There’s a touch of irony in the fact that Adem Yze played his first game for Melbourne in Round 13, 1995 against the club he now coaches. For that game, he wore the number 44 guernsey and got six touches in a game the team won by 11 points ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 23

  • Training  

    Friday, 19th April 2024

    Veteran Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin headed down to Gosch's Paddock today to bring you his observations from training ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 19

  • Latest Podcast      

    PODCAST: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    The boys dissected the disappointing loss to Brisbane rueing our poor work at the stoppages, debated the role that fatigue played and lamenting the loss of Christian Salem ... LISTEN

    Demonland | April 16

  • Casey Report      

    ICE BREAKER by KC from Casey

    The Casey Demons have broken the ice for season 2024 with a pulsating come-from-behind victory over Port Melbourne in which it took the lead for the first time at the halfway mark of the final quarter ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 14

  • Match Report      

    MAULED by Whispering Jack

    The writing was on the wall from the very first bounce of the football. The big men went up, Max Gawn more often than not, decisively won the ruck hit out and invariably a Brisbane Lions onballer either won the battle on the ground or halved the contest and they went at it repeatedly until they finally won out ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 12

  • Post Game      

    POSTGAME: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    The Demons 4 game winning streak has come to an end after a disappointing loss against the Brisbane Lions at the MCG going down by 22 points ...READ MORE

    Demonland | April 11

  • Votes      

    VOTES: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

    Last week Christian Petracca retook the outright lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Award from Max Gawn, Steven May, Alex Neal-Bullen & Jack Viney. Your votes for the loss against the Lions. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...READ MORE

    Demonland | April 11

  • Training  

    Wednesday, 10th April 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin and Demon Dynasty were once again on hand at this morning's Captain's Run at Gosch's Paddock to bring you their observations from training ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 10

  • Training  

    Sunday, 7th April 2024

    Demonland Trackwatcher Kev Martin ventured down in the rain to Gosch's Paddock for the Demon Family Series April School Holiday Open Training session ... READ MORE

    Demonland | April 07

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Koltyn Tholstrup Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club’s newest recruit Koltyn Tholstrup to have a chat about his journey from the farm to the Demons, his first few weeks of preseason training, which Dees have impressed him on the track and his aspirations of playing Round 1 ... LISTEN

    Demonland | December 14

  • Latest Podcast  

    PODCAST: Jason Taylor Interview

    I interview the Melbourne Football Club's National Recruitment Manager Jason Taylor to have a chat about our Trade and Draft period, our newest recruits, our recent recruits who have yet to debut as well as those father son prospects on the horizon ... LISTEN

    Demonland | November 27

  • Next Match 

    .

    Round 07

       vs   

    Wednesday 24th April 2024
    @ 07:25pm (MCG)

  • MFC Forum  

  • Match Previews & Reports  

  • Training Forum  

  • AFLW Forum  

  • 2024 Player Sponsorship

  • Topics

  • Injury List  


      PLAYER INJURY LENGTH
    Shane McAdam Hamstring 1-2 Weeks
    Marty Hore Thumb 1-2 Weeks
    Charlie Spargo Achilles 3 Weeks
    Christian Salem Hamstring 3-4 Weeks
    Jake Bowey Shoulder 4-5 Weeks
    Jake Melksham ACL 9-11 Weeks
    Joel Smith Suspension TBA

  • Player of the Year  


        PLAYER VOTES
    1 Max Gawn 67
    2 Christian Petracca 55
    3 Steven May 35
    4 Jack Viney 28
    5 Alex Neal-Bullen 27
    6 Clayton Oliver 22
    7 Bayley Fritsch 19
    8 Trent Rivers 16
    9 Judd McVee 15
    10 Kade Chandler 14

        FULL TABLE
  • Demonland Interviews 



  • Upcoming Events 

×
×
  • Create New...