PREGAME: SF vs Carlton

[Jack7 463]

I doubt we'll beat the Blues with Goodwins bomb it in territory gameplan,the Pies had 18 players inside our 50 waiting for the bombs all night and the Blues will do the same,We don't switch on until we are 4 goals down like against the Tigers and Swans,the Blues jumped the Swans in the first 10 minutes like the Pies did to us and the Blues will be on fire in the first quarter with their clearance game and it'll be all over.

 

AFL #14 scores per entry because we are coached not to use the corridor,Langdon could've hit up Viney in the centre circle with a Mcvee overlap but he kicks sideways to the boundary and the Pies set up defensively.

 

Goodwin's bomb it to the square at all costs doesn't work,Fritta had no space and our smalls didn't get near it.

Trac had 7 disposals in the first half

 

FFS pull your fingers out and switch on from the first bounce!!!

 

I guarantee we'll be down 4-5 goals at quarter time,then let's switch on try and win from there.

 

Brayshaw and Mackay concussed and JVR and Martin suspended 

 

Blues by 30+

Edited September 9, 2023 by Jack7

[deespicable me 1,435]

Come on guys , we can beat Carlton this week. Lets get on with it. We need to look forward. We are still alive.

Carlton will be missing Martin who was good last night and McKay, both from their forward line which gives us a chance to close them down and get the game on our terms (as they say). Cripps is as banged up as he could be . 

Pittonet and De Koning are a pretty good combo. We need Grundy in the side. TMac has to go out. Has to. He was very poor. Slow and if we try to play the same way he'll just look terrible one out down there. Have to play small and run the ball through the 50. Spargo must come in. I also think Carlton have a physically strong mid field. I think given how beat up Cripps is, yet still important for them, Harmes has the strength to match him. Cripps is also slow so should be able to be tagged by Harmes. In the Sydney game Mills and Cripps played on each other and it was a loss/ loss result. A nil all draw between Cripps and Harmes is a big win for us.

Out Brayshaw, JVR, TMac

In Grundy, Harmes and Spargo.

[whatwhat say what 19,144]

mcdonald was no better nor worse than mcstay

he'll play against the baggers

[layzie 29,087]

4 minutes ago, deespicable me said:

Come on guys , we can beat Carlton this week. Lets get on with it. We need to look forward. We are still alive.

Carlton will be missing Martin who was good last night and McKay, both from their forward line which gives us a chance to close them down and get the game on our terms (as they say). Cripps is as banged up as he could be . 

Pittonet and De Koning are a pretty good combo. We need Grundy in the side. TMac has to go out. Has to. He was very poor. Slow and if we try to play the same way he'll just look terrible one out down there. Have to play small and run the ball through the 50. Spargo must come in. I also think Carlton have a physically strong mid field. I think given how beat up Cripps is, yet still important for them, Harmes has the strength to match him. Cripps is also slow so should be able to be tagged by Harmes. In the Sydney game Mills and Cripps played on each other and it was a loss/ loss result. A nil all draw between Cripps and Harmes is a big win for us.

Out Brayshaw, JVR, TMac

In Grundy, Harmes and Spargo.

Think Harmes did his hammy?

[Macca 16,173]

If Ben Brown could somehow pass a fitness test he could be risked.  But considering we're devoid of choices, his inclusion might be preferred to a left-field solution (albeit in a cut-throat SF)

Getting the gang back together again from '21? ... BBB, T-Mac, Fritsch, Kozzie, Gawn/(Grundy instead of Jackson)

With Petracca/ANB/Chandler or Spargo used in stints up forward

But it's a reach

Any other combo up forward (with available personnel) doesn't fill with confidence

Brayshaw out means we may not have the luxury of using Petracca forward in the way we'd like to use him forward

Edited September 9, 2023 by Macca

[Dr. Gonzo 22,522]

2 hours ago, Young Angus said:

The only person taking pack splitting marks was Petty and sometimes Melksham...this tactic didn't work for us very well last game did it?  Stop the long bombs, they don't work, lower and smaller and more dynamic please.

Our small forwards have been disappointing since start of 2022. 2021 the pressure and crumb from our small forwards was a huge part of the reason we went all the way. Long bombs into the forward line should be relying on our small forwards winning the ground ball after the contest but that hasn't happened. Collingwood swept up the footy time and again with minimal pressure and worked it out of defense.

[Great Northern Summer 688]

4 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Pick 9 Weideman

Pick 10 H McKay

Pick 12 C Curnow

Pick 14 Hipwood

Pick 16 H Himmelberg

Oh what might have been 😔

The team that had Pick 2 wasted an even more valuable pick!

[Dr. Gonzo 22,522]

2 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

We weren't favourites, Collingwood were.

Like almost everyone, I also said pre-game that our flag chances hinged on the QF, and our path to winning it now is significantly more difficult than a home prelim against Port/GWS. So in that regard, I agree, I think the loss is significantly destructive for our season. 

But you are on a doom spiral. For the past fortnight you were riding high, telling us how you couldn't see how we could lose. Now, after a loss, you're posting about back-to-back straight sets exits, failures of two seasons, chokes and you're now venturing into diminishing our flag because of "rent-a-crowds".

Let's at least see what happens against Carlton first.

He's not wrong though. We are starting down the barrel of back to back straight sets exits after never leaving the G! We won in 2021 with the rent-a-crowds riding us home, back at the G we've struggled to assert a home crowd/19th man even when playing interstate teams. This must have a psychological impact in the players.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,522]

2 hours ago, old dee said:

But we didn't, the only stat that matters is the final score. The world is full of should haves. 

That's an extremely simplistic view of things. People who were confident we would beat the Pies were proven to have every right to be confident considering the key stats not least of which being inside 50s and expected score. You're acting as though we could never have won on Thursday without a genuine kpf when clearly we could have.

[Dee Zephyr 17,717]

1 hour ago, Binmans PA said:

but the way some have hugely flipflopped based on one result is truly emotional muppetry.

Sorry to just single this out AF, but that is just about the most accurate thing posted on this thread. They know exactly who they are. 

[Dee Zephyr 17,717]

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

mcdonald was no better nor worse than mcstay

he'll play against the baggers

I think he plays too and wasn’t as bad as some are suggesting. He made some real good leads and had 2-3 metres on his opponent and the ball just kept going in other directions. 
He worked really hard i thought.

[Great Northern Summer 688]

I hope what i'm about to say makes sense! Because Collingwood had so few inside 50s and we had the ball in our forward half for the majority of the game without scoring goals (thereby resetting field positions with the 6-6-6 rule), it basically meant most of the time when we did go inside 50, it was already crowded and tons of opposition players were ready to spoil, with very little space/room to find a spare player by lowering the eyes. A more conventional game where the opposition has more of the ball in their half will enable us to transition easier and get it down to our forwards in one-on-one situations, or on the lead, rather than an overcrowded forward line. So whilst we had a crazy number of inside 50s on Thursday, most of them were repeat entries without space to do anything productive with, and high-level pressure applied because the Collingwood players were already there and not using their petrol tickets going back and forward on the field.

That being said, Carlton are a far better contest/clearance team. They will have far more inside 50s than Collingwood. As long as our backline holds up well, we can score far more from transition and make life easier for our forwards in one-out positions.

[Demonsone 1,614]

1 hour ago, Macca said:

If Ben Brown could somehow pass a fitness test he could be risked.  But considering we're devoid of choices, his inclusion might be preferred to a left-field solution (albeit in a cut-throat SF)

Getting the gang back together again from '21? ... BBB, T-Mac, Fritsch, Kozzie, Gawn/(Grundy instead of Jackson)

With Petracca/ANB/Chandler or Spargo used in stints up forward

But it's a reach

Any other combo up forward (with available personnel) doesn't fill with confidence

Brayshaw out means we may not have the luxury of using Petracca forward in the way we'd like to use him forward

Brown is gone…. His knee is gone hasn't played at any level. Grundy will get picked with JVR missing 

[Demonsone 1,614]

2 hours ago, Jack7 said:

I doubt we'll beat the Blues with Goodwins bomb it in territory gameplan,the Pies had 18 players inside our 50 waiting for the bombs all night and the Blues will do the same,We don't switch on until we are 4 goals down like against the Tigers and Swans,the Blues jumped the Swans in the first 10 minutes like the Pies did to us and the Blues will be on fire in the first quarter with their clearance game and it'll be all over.

 

AFL #14 scores per entry because we are coached not to use the corridor,Langdon could've hit up Viney in the centre circle with a Mcvee overlap but he kicks sideways to the boundary and the Pies set up defensively.

 

Goodwin's bomb it to the square at all costs doesn't work,Fritta had no space and our smalls didn't get near it.

Trac had 7 disposals in the first half

 

FFS pull your fingers out and switch on from the first bounce!!!

 

I guarantee we'll be down 4-5 goals at quarter time,then let's switch on try and win from there.

 

Brayshaw and Mackay concussed and JVR and Martin suspended 

 

Blues by 30+

That’s more like it as Gawn said post match really felt like a typical Melbourne loss…

[bandicoot 1,395]

Curious how everyone is jumping off the dees. Collingwood didn’t win on Thursday night. Dees lost. Should have won by 3 goals. Brayshaw stretchered off after 5 minutes completely altered our game plan. Brayshaw allows trac to sit up forward and snag a few goals. That makes a 7 point loss into a 3 goal win. Maynard single handily killed it for us. Hope he rots inside for the rest of this Season 

[beelzebub 22,229]

8 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We should have

Shoulda..... coulda...... didn't 

I was very upbeat and confident against the Filth. Ostensibly we have the "game" to do so. We still do. What we dont have is the finish.

We're figuratively getting that horse to water..... but....

Strangely enough the scoreboard only ever reflects the finish and not the rest of the work.

I dont see how we win now.  I see how we compete. I see how in the game-general we'll play better. I dont see us presently capable of finishing off all the hard yards with a winning score.

We should be able to but we don't. 

The FD has its work cut out. 

We'll need to rob Peter to pay Paul, butbwill that be enough

Carlton smell blood...they should... we're haemorrhaging.

[Clintosaurus 6,533]

7 hours ago, Demon17 said:

It wasn't touched and the call cost us 2nd spot

But it got the AFL an interstate QF and PF, so they are happy.

4 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Sorry to just single this out AF, but that is just about the most accurate thing posted on this thread. They know exactly who they are. 

95% of posters?

[loges 6,114]

7 hours ago, Dee-monic said:

Max is in magnificent form and we shouldn't do anything to mess with his role. Grundy, if he comes in, could just stay at full-forward where he might at least take a mark or two or create a contest and get the ball to ground. Of course it's not ideal, but we are out of options.

With Petty, Melksham and JVR out, and TMac looking like a steam train that has run out of steam, the only alternative would be to take a huge gamble on BBB's fitness. That would surely be too big a risk.

I would bring Harmes in for Brayshaw to perform the one role he is good at ---- putting a tag on Cerra to disrupt Carlton's midfield.

McKay's absence means we may be able to go with just two talls in defence again, although this does reduce Lever's flexibility.

Whatever Goody does, this will be quite a test of his ability to come up with some creative coaching.

Face palm only because it's been often stated Harmes has done a hamstring.

[beelzebub 22,229]

4 hours ago, Glorious Day said:

I hope what i'm about to say makes sense! Because Collingwood had so few inside 50s and we had the ball in our forward half for the majority of the game without scoring goals (thereby resetting field positions with the 6-6-6 rule), it basically meant most of the time when we did go inside 50, it was already crowded and tons of opposition players were ready to spoil, with very little space/room to find a spare player by lowering the eyes. A more conventional game where the opposition has more of the ball in their half will enable us to transition easier and get it down to our forwards in one-on-one situations, or on the lead, rather than an overcrowded forward line. So whilst we had a crazy number of inside 50s on Thursday, most of them were repeat entries without space to do anything productive with, and high-level pressure applied because the Collingwood players were already there and not using their petrol tickets going back and forward on the field.

That being said, Carlton are a far better contest/clearance team. They will have far more inside 50s than Collingwood. As long as our backline holds up well, we can score far more from transition and make life easier for our forwards in one-out positions.

Nailed it.

The problem is we are [censored] bringing the ball in..   thats why we have so many repeat entries. If we were any good we would actually have less entries recorded as we would score better.

We dont and that stat highlights it if nothing else.  We play a very nonsensical crowded game up front. We push, scramble, spin repeat and essentially hope for the best beause of pressure applied.

Its stopped being effective now. Can it be again .. i doubt it with who's available. 

Happy to be wrong.

Carlton are much better in forward 50 craft.

May and Lever will have to be at their best.

 

 

 

[picket fence 15,299]

On 9/8/2023 at 8:08 AM, leucopogon said:

Has Goodwin ever made that many changes? Can't see more than 3 myself. 

Out: JVR (suspension), Gus (conc), Laurie (omitted)

In: Grundy (last roll of the dice), Jordon, Tomlinson

I would normally drop Tmac but since JVR is likely to be suspended, he stays.

Smith the sub.

Salem and Langdon were well of the pace and soft. Woey perhaps?

[Demonsone 1,614]

27 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

But it got the AFL an interstate QF and PF, so they are happy.

95% of posters?

The crappy loses to Freo & Gws cost us 2nd spot …plus the continued bombing to 1 v 2, 3,defenders honestly own worst enemy 

[loges 6,114]

Question , should Salem keep getting picked, really soft for a long time?

[OhMyDees 1,321]

Imagine the flip floppers if we beat the Blues by 30+ heading into a Prelim when our interstate form has been historically great over the last few years?

[Kent 2,597]

16 minutes ago, OhMyDees said:

Imagine the flip floppers if we beat the Blues by 30+ heading into a Prelim when our interstate form has been historically great over the last few years?

I for one am  happy to flip my flops if this is possible 😁

Edited September 9, 2023 by Kent

[Demon17 4,606]

Iv'e forgotten why Woey lost his spot. Did somene come back in.  I thought he performed well for one so young and deserves a shot at finals experience.

Not in the midfield . JJ to replace Gus, but small forward type role perhaps.

Thoughts