POSTGAME: Rd 22 vs Carlton

[Gawndy the Great 7,635]

1 minute ago, Earl Hood said:

Yes I have noticed goal umpires calling touched when they could only be guessing. Unless you see the ball deviate or hear a slap it used to be assumed to be a goal. A few weeks ago one of the umps called touched from a snap 25 m out from goal. The review played back and forth on whether someone’s finger moved. I mean there was no way the ump would be knowing from that distance.
 

Are they tending to guess now because they have the video review? 

It’s a cop out. The AFL force them to make a call so that the ARC can revert to umpires call because it’s a useless system. One day it’s going to ruin a final - and boy do I hope it’s one of the big clubs that get robbed - that will force the AFLs hand to do something about it.

[layzie 29,232]

7 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Well at least the matildas won

I love the Matilidas and I love Soccer but in all honesty I would have traded that for a win tonight.

[Dusty_Hill 184]

1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

Goal umpires should Know

Not I believe.

And if they don't know...they s s t h up.

Robbed.

We tackled and tackled but got one htb for our efforts compared to their six .

The lack of holding the balls paid to us was and absolute disgrace. 

[BDA 20,390]

goal umpire stitched us. why call it as touched when it obviously wasn't. 

[Demon Dynasty 15,725]

31 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

 

Player on left is hanging on to his right arm.

Max rarely gets any protection.  Most umps seem happy to just let most of it go when it comes to Max.  Yet most KTFs you can barely touch them.

Why are we employing a 4th ump to cover the forward infringements if they're not going to call what's presented to them?

Umpiring Dept has been a complete joke fest all season.  Talk about amatures.

Edited August 12, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[Binmans PA 26,292]

3 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

I’ve settled down. The reality is that we pipped them this time last year and it really didn’t make much difference come September. Being fit and feeling good in September is what matters.

We didn’t play well for sections of that game, and almost stole it. I’m very proud of the boys. When it mattered they came hard. Sometimes it just doesn’t fall your way.

I love Demonland. It's this sort of post that gives me solace. ❤️

[Roost it far 6,239]

It was the 2 cheap goals they got at the start of the last that lost us that game. We pushed very very hard and we would usually win those games. Tonight we didn't but we're going alright.

[4_Kent_Watts 850]

3 minutes ago, Dusty_Hill said:

The lack of holding the balls paid to us was and absolute disgrace. 

If someone has the stomach for it,  I'd love to know how many there were. More than most games and id reckon it'll be double digits. 

[Gawndy the Great 7,635]

16 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

 

That is disgraceful. 

Edited August 12, 2023 by Gawndy the Great

[Macca 16,173]

1 minute ago, Binmans PA said:

Agree with this mate.

I think we played the percentages a fraction too often with our ball movement.

A couple of times when we should have gone long on the switch or fast on the slingshot, we played safe. The coaches might be ultimately okay with that, because their response would be, if Trac's goal is given, we win. But this is the difference between us and Collingwood and Port. They take that every time. Particularly, Collingwood. 

I guess over the next month and a half, we'll see which approach stacks up better. And ultimately, we might stick with our approach anyway as we fit our system to our personnel. If we had two F/Ss that could hit kicks from everywhere that were essentially the best players in their draft years, we might be better able to make that shift. Instead we have inside bulls and contested beasts.

Again, we'll see who wins out soon.

Carlton's all over pressure for them, was immense.  Voss has obviously taken a different tack with his coaching approach

Up until tonight, I've never seen them as that sort of team (high pressure on the opposition ball carriers)

But AF, we can't call them the real deal? Because to do what they did tonight week to week is taxing on the body and takes a really strong mindset

Total football circa the Tigers 2017-2020 is the benchmark for pressure

If they were entrenched in the top 4, we could be more concerned but can they keep it up?

For us, we can play a high pressure game on a reasonably consistent basis but tonight, we couldn't deal with their pressure

[Demon Disciple 11,069]

7 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Umpiring Dept has been a complete joke fest all season.  Talk about amatures.

Yep umpiring remains a blight on the game. The introduction of a 4th umpire has only added to the inconsistency and the adjudication of a supposed ‘elite’ level of sport remains a farce. Prime example also last night with Jeremy Cameron clearly being OOB when marking and when also receiving a handball.

Edited August 12, 2023 by Demon Disciple

[praha 10,305]

28 minutes ago, kev martin said:

They were the most ungracious supporters on my walk home.

I sat above the Demon Army. There were a few blues wanting to fight them, pointing, abusing (I think), the security step in and the bad people run away. 

Imagine if Tracc's kick goes through, maybe I wouldn't get home.

The constant calls by Le blue, for htb, throws, in the back amazed me, considering how we tackled well and didn't get reward. Also looked like plenty of scragging against our players. 

Forward area marking goes astray with Petty out. 

When we mark we are a better team.

May and Lever have something going.

Need Max firing when playing with Grundy.

Viney in and under everything.

Cannot let the other team get goals from their kick ins. Something to work on, I guess.

Not too unhappy, though would have like to be still winning on the "G".

Again, no sportsmanship from the winners, entitled lot and lacking any humility.

 

I'll let them wear it. Haven't played finals in a decade. We were the same once. And I gave it to them last year. They deserved it. Good on them.

[layzie 29,232]

7 minutes ago, BDA said:

goal umpire stitched us. why call it as touched when it obviously wasn't. 

Only he can answer that. We'll never know.

[Gawndy the Great 7,635]

9 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

I’ve settled down. The reality is that we pipped them this time last year and it really didn’t make much difference come September. Being fit and feeling good in September is what matters.

We didn’t play well for sections of that game, and almost stole it. I’m very proud of the boys. When it mattered they came hard. Sometimes it just doesn’t fall your way.

You going to let the secret out of the bag - there is no way I’m falling asleep before 3 tonight.

[Demon Dynasty 15,725]

16 minutes ago, Dusty_Hill said:

The lack of holding the balls paid to us was and absolute disgrace. 

At one stage Cripps was caught by 3 diff tacklers consecutively.  He might have successfully shrugged the first.

However, after then trying to shrug the  next two, the 2nd & 3rd stuck and he  dropped the ball, literally flopping it one hand and just releasing it as one arm was pinned.  No free play on.

He was caught red hot and 100% incorrect disposal but they just wouldn't ping him tonight.

This sort of rubbish must make a player feel like he is untouchable.  Had a VG game but too often gets a lovely helping hand to enhance things.

Edited August 12, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[Jaded No More 58,585]

HOW THE [censored] WAS THAT NOT A FREE TO JVR?

 

I hate the AFL. 

[stranga 328]

Disappointing result. More becuase it was Carlton. We were poor for large portions of the game which is a common trend unfortunately. However the last 20 minutes was fantastic from a physicality/contest point of view, just can't execute going forward. It will cost us in September unless McDonald has a massive impact.

Viney is an absolute beast. Amazing.

The Grundy selection was costly. Bowie had a poor game and lost some crucial contests. 

The umpiring continues to be abysmal. 

 

 

[DEE fence 4,533]

3 minutes ago, Macca said:

For us, we can play a high pressure game on a reasonably consistent basis but tonight, we couldn't deal with their pressure

Demur, we couldn't execute goal kicking, slightly different, I thought our pressure and composure during some dodgy tactics and non calls was very high. 

[Dee Zephyr 17,834]

Blues were due for some luck and boy did they get it. 
All I know is teams will never feel safe against Melbourne and it was proven again tonight.

[dees189227 10,906]

It's 2 weeks in a row we've come out with a flat start. 

That final quarter after they kicked the first 3 we kept them scoreless after that. We had so many chances tonight. 

But we got 0 goals from Van Rooyen who would normally kick those and nothing out of Melksham and Grundy. 

[whatwhat say what 19,262]

i thought it was a fantastic game and i hated every minute of it

baggers were the better side for the majority of the night

[Macca 16,173]

8 minutes ago, DEE fence said:

Demur, we couldn't execute goal kicking, slightly different, I thought our pressure and composure during some dodgy tactics and non calls was very high. 

We went wide all night ... where was the corridor football? Non existent

We obviously view the game differently.  To me there are never any excuses

Play better and you win

6.5 out of 10 instead of 8.5 out of 10 was how I see our performance tonight

You want to call that an 8?  You're dreaming

Carlton outplayed us ... take your hat off to the winner and lose with grace

Edited August 12, 2023 by Macca

[Min Xie 284]

What a cracking game! The Tackles count was Carl 87 vs Melb 88. I have to say Carlton is a very, very good team now. In my view, they're better than Collinwood, Brisbane and Port Adelaide. I don't know about this year yet but they will be a strong force next year. They're well trained and very hungry. Tonight, they handled the slippery ball better than us, in the final 10 minutes, their composure was better than us. The Errors count was Carl 59 vs Melb 74, Efficiency was Carl 72 vs Melb 66. They got easy goals, like the two from centre bounce in the earlier 4th quarter, we didn't. In Rd 13 vs Collinwood, we kicked 8 goals totally, Fritsch kicked 3 of them. We kicked 8 goals tonight, what the beautiful shots were from ANB, Smith and Kozzie. I don't feel bad actually, looking forward to meet them again in final series.

Dees, you're good, you're capable to do better next time around, I believe in you.

[Binmans PA 26,292]

17 minutes ago, Macca said:

Carlton's all over pressure for them, was immense.  Voss has obviously taken a different tack with his coaching approach

Up until tonight, I've never seen them as that sort of team (high pressure on the opposition ball carriers)

But AF, we can't call them the real deal? Because to do what they did tonight week to week is taxing on the body and takes a really strong mindset

Total football circa the Tigers 2017-2020 is the benchmark for pressure

If they were entrenched in the top 4, we could be more concerned but can they keep it up?

For us, we can play a high pressure game on a reasonably consistent basis but tonight, we couldn't deal with their pressure

I don't think it was just their pressure though.

We were off for large portions of the game, and certainly the first half. The best example was allowing their half backs and mids handball receives exiting our A50 and even through the corridor. It gave them repeated territory.

Either our pressure was off or we were too positionally defensive defending those short uncontested marks. And as we saw, Carlton smashed us for uncontested possessions. The top possession getters for the first half were pretty much all Carlton half backs, who were allowed to do what they wanted and set up play.

Did our players or coaches not give those guys enough respect in the first half? 

We certainly ensured they got less of these handball receive releases in the second half, and it meant they were having to kick to more contests, what we wanted them to do. Unfortunately, we didn't intercept mark and we didn't win the ground ball efficiently enough.

It also meant we lost Kozzy up the ground a bit where he was super dangerous early, because he became the guy tracking all the handball receive runners inside our A50.

Edited August 12, 2023 by Binmans PA

[mo64 5,218]

7 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

It's 2 weeks in a row we've come out with a flat start. 

That final quarter after they kicked the first 3 we kept them scoreless after that. We had so many chances tonight. 

But we got 0 goals from Van Rooyen who would normally kick those and nothing out of Melksham and Grundy. 

Grundy delivered what I expected of him, which was nothing. Can the Demonland Grundy sychophants finally concede that he's a liability unless he plays as the number 1 ruck? But we're stuck with him for another 4 years if the sycophnats have their way.

Blues deserved to win, end of story.