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I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on psychotherapy (part and parcel of following the Dees for close to 50 years maybe). But only now realising I could have saved all that dosh and just come to Demonland and consulted with fellow posters. Could have dealt with my passive aggressive tendencies, obtuseness, drug problem and propensity to resort to innuendo with a few taps of my keyboard.

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This debate is typical of Demonland: the 360 Degree gamut of Opinions. It reminds me  of the famous Yiddish observation that you get three - in this instance, we'll call them Yekkes - in a room and in an instant, you get five different opinions...

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6 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on psychotherapy (part and parcel of following the Dees for close to 50 years maybe). But only now realising I could have saved all that dosh and just come to Demonland and consulted with fellow posters. Could have dealt with my passive aggressive tendencies, obtuseness, drug problem and propensity to resort to innuendo with a few taps of my keyboard.

Never too old to learn

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3 hours ago, cantstandyasam said:

No way would I give them anything back. We could've picked Young ( a great kick) who recently signed a 5 year deal instead of Luke. Pick 13 and a F1?? aren't equal let alone giving a F2 and F3 in a stronger draft next year.

We may not have much choice.

fwiw I think Freo will not make the 8 next year so their F! could well be a top 10 pick.  If we get their F1 I hope we keep it.

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6 hours ago, rpfc said:

 

Yeah, [censored] tell us this PRIVATE FAMILY MATTER! I, as an anonymous poster, deserve to be told of a STRANGER’S FAMILY MATTER as it causing me momentary distress due to the inability of my football club to get commensurate value in a trade!

What? You mean someone who you've never met, has no meaningful relationship with you aside from wearing some colours that you like, a few days a week whilst chasing an odd shaped ball - you want to know what's happening for him and the distress in his life that informs his decision making? That seems reasonable.... 😇

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34 minutes ago, DubDee said:

If we were in Freo's position, why would you offer more than 13 and F1.  They have us over a barrel, we have little negotiation power

Not that it matters, but I don't think their offer is 'fair' 

Whether you think Jackson is a potential superstar, or will 'only' be a good player, it's hard to argue he hasn't at least maintained his original draft value of pick 3

Pick 13 + Pick (12-18?) wouldn't net pick 3 in a trade

If the argument is purely about him being out of contract, why don't they just offer pick 50?

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3 minutes ago, DubDee said:

If we were in Freo's position, why would you offer more than 13 and F1.  They have us over a barrel, we have little negotiation power

In fact we have zero power at the moment we may have to accept much less next wednesday

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1 minute ago, adonski said:

Not that is matters, but I don't think their offer is 'fair' 

Whether you think Jackson is a potential superstar, or will 'only' be a good player, it's hard to argue he hasn't at least maintained his original draft value of pick 3

Pick 13 + Pick (12-18?) wouldn't net pick 3 in a trade

If the argument is purely about him being out of contract, why don't they just offer pick 50?

I agree, in fact, I think his value is a greater than pick 3. but what are you gonna do?

I guess they are offer 13 and to F1 to satisfy us a bit whilst also knowing we don't have much choice

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22 minutes ago, DubDee said:

If we were in Freo's position, why would you offer more than 13 and F1.  They have us over a barrel, we have little negotiation power

I don't think that is quite right.

We keep trying until Wednesday morning to get more, say that North F2.

If Freo keep refusing, we ring LJ/Manager and say we are trying to help you get to the club you want, but they are not budging.

We ask him/they to apply some pressure, and we are happy to have him back for a season and try again the following year. 

We tell him we obviously value him more than Freo do, so now it's up to you guys and them, our hands are tied.

In the end Freo have promised him a fat contract and to get him traded by us and they need to get the job done, or lose him and all credibility in a massive fail. 

Plenty of other players and managers would be watching on.

LJ said he won't go into the PSD. We will rely on that.

Therefore it's us or them. We have bargaining power.

 

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1 minute ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I take offence to that word A F..

I don’t identify as “real”. 

No, that's quite right You are a big fakey. I've never believed you were real. There's no way you could get all those trades right if you were.

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1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

We may not have much choice.

fwiw I think Freo will not make the 8 next year so their F! could well be a top 10 pick.  If we get their F1 I hope we keep it.

Yeah I'm almlost certain their F1 will be that top 10 pick we want. 

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13, F1 and F2 (north 19 - 24) for Jackson and F2 (30-36 and F3 (48-54) seems reasonable to me. Gives freo an extra future 2nd so they can trade it for Sharp. They may want to use North's for that however.

Maybe we will trade our future 1st plus Bedford for 12 or 15 from GWS (assuming they still have it) or Bedford plus North's future 2nd for 19. Probably wishful thinking but they have an extraordinary amount of 1st round picks and may wish to invest in next years draft.

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58 minutes ago, Nascent said:

13, F1 and F2 (north 19 - 24) for Jackson and F2 (30-36 and F3 (48-54) seems reasonable to me. Gives freo an extra future 2nd so they can trade it for Sharp. They may want to use North's for that however.

Maybe we will trade our future 1st plus Bedford for 12 or 15 from GWS (assuming they still have it) or Bedford plus North's future 2nd for 19. Probably wishful thinking but they have an extraordinary amount of 1st round picks and may wish to invest in next years draft.

Very optimistic - Bedford just ain't worth that much

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1 hour ago, Redleg said:

I don't think that is quite right.

We keep trying until Wednesday morning to get more, say that North F2.

If Freo keep refusing, we ring LJ/Manager and say we are trying to help you get to the club you want, but they are not budging.

We ask him/they to apply some pressure, and we are happy to have him back for a season and try again the following year. 

We tell him we obviously value him more than Freo do, so now it's up to you guys and them, our hands are tied.

In the end Freo have promised him a fat contract and to get him traded by us and they need to get the job done, or lose him and all credibility in a massive fail. 

Plenty of other players and managers would be watching on.

LJ said he won't go into the PSD. We will rely on that.

Therefore it's us or them. We have bargaining power.

 

I agree but many don’t. Clearly MFC think it’s an option otherwise they would have bought in Grundy already.

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