Farewell Luke Jackson

[Lucifers Hero 37,006]

5 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Love this mate! Great reasoning and analysis.

For mine, their rise and fall might depend on replacing Logue and Lobb. They're the only truly important players out of the ones they'll lose IMO. I actually think they're better off without Acres tbh.

I reckon if Taberner stays fit then the combo of Jackson and him more than covers Lobb.

Logue is harder to replace though.

I'm not as convinced as others on their demise just yet, they have some absolute guns in the midfield, and their core talent of Brayshaw, Young, Serong and Darcy are still a year or two off their prime and will only get better.

Thank you.

I doubt their will be a 'demise' per se.  Just that success isn't always linear and they will need to educate/assimilate quite a few new players in their game plan, rolls, ball movement etc so it most likely a slide for just a year.

They have great midfield guns and Mundy's experience was huge in the mid-field.  Fyfe is injured more often than not so not sure who will be the mature steadying force in the midfield for them.

 

It was interesting that they were on a long winning streak and then when Fyfe came in they started to lose.  While there were other reasons I think he upset a winning formula and they never quite found a home for him.  Lack of maturity in the team to adjust?

Just not sure they are mature enough or settled enough to absorb the changes to their best 22/25.

Time will tell

[Lord Nev 13,511]

2 minutes ago, mmwd6 said:

Was still probably 1 or 2 for clearances though. Unless fyfe returns back to form (doubt it) then they're replacing 370 games with a teenager 

Yep, was in or around the top 5 for clearances, tackles and disposals, but IMO that was more because he was given that role. Not finishing in the top 10 in the BnF despite those numbers tells me he can be replaced. He was on the low end for them for metres gained, goal assists, score involvements and inside 50s, and that felt more what their game style was about to me.

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10 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Mundy wasn't in their top 10 at the BnF though.

 

And yet ANB was in ours

Mundy will be a significant loss for their midfield group next year, despite being older than old dee

Edited October 9, 2022 by Stiff Arm

[Lord Nev 13,511]

1 minute ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Thank you.

I doubt their will be a 'demise' per se.  Just that success isn't always linear and they will need to educate/assimilate quite a few new players in their game plan, rolls, ball movement etc so it most likely a slide for just a year.

They have great midfield guns and Mundy's experience was huge in the mid-field.  Fyfe is injured more often than not so not sure who will be the mature steadying force in the midfield for them.

It was interesting that they were on a long winning streak and then when Fyfe came in they started to lose.  While there were other reasons I think he upset a winning formula and they never quite found a home for him.  Lack of maturity in the team to adjust?

Just not sure they are mature enough or settled enough to absorb the changes to their best 22/25.

Time will tell

Yeah absolutely a fair call.

Given the age of their key talent it wouldn't be a shock to see them have a down year before bouncing back.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

1 minute ago, Stiff Arm said:

And yet ANB was in ours

It's almost like the premiership winning AFL coaches understand the game better than Demonlanders...

[tincan 165]

On 10/7/2022 at 10:01 AM, mmwd6 said:

Yeah I don't. It's all for show I reckon.  

If he really was happy to go to west coast we would have offers from them by now. Instead all we have is the WC list manager more or less saying they're still trying (and failing) to convince LJ to join them, hence why no offer has been made. 

WC refusing to give up pick 2 so they are struggling to get a deal done. Regardless, they are still interested which improves our hand at the table when it comes to negotiations.

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3 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

It was interesting that they were on a long winning streak and then when Fyfe came in they started to lose.  While there were other reasons I think he upset a winning formula and they never quite found a home for him.  Lack of maturity in the team to adjust?

Just not sure they are mature enough or settled enough to absorb the changes to their best 22/25.

Time will tell

Fyfe actually only lost 2 games this year. Think they were 4-2 with him in the team. If he's healthy next year and playing in the midfield then I think you can guarantee they're making the eight. But I highly doubt thats happening. 

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are we there yet?

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2 minutes ago, tincan said:

WC refusing to give up pick 2 so they are struggling to get a deal done. Regardless, they are still interested which improves our hand at the table when it comes to negotiations.

The fact that they're refusing to give up pick 2 means that they have no effect when it comes to negotiations. 

Expect the deal to go through today for 13, F1, F2 (freo) --> Jackson, F3 (essendon)

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8 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

It's almost like the premiership winning AFL coaches understand the game better than Demonlanders...

Straw man comment. Not unexpected 

Mundy's spot will be will be hard for Freo to fill adequately, regardless of B&F finish

Fwiw, I too think Freo might drop a little, maybe 8 or 9. Logue, Acres and possibly Lobb are also significant outs.

Time will tell

Edited October 9, 2022 by Stiff Arm

[Lucifers Hero 37,006]

Just now, mmwd6 said:

Fyfe actually only lost 2 games this year. Think they were 4-2 with him in the team. If he's healthy next year and playing in the midfield then I think you can guarantee they're making the eight. But I highly doubt thats happening. 

Even with Fyfe in, imv they can cover the loss/replacement of some of the players I mentioned but losing 4 of your best 22 and 6 of your best 25 is quite a lot of assimilation to do.

Not the least of which is Jackson's role and synergy in the midfield/ruck.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

1 minute ago, Stiff Arm said:

Straw man comment. Not unexpected

[Lucifers Hero 37,006]

5 minutes ago, mmwd6 said:

The fact that they're refusing to give up pick 2 means that they have no effect when it comes to negotiations. 

Expect the deal to go through today for 13, F1, F2 (freo) --> Jackson, F3 (essendon)

Hope Essendon improves 🙂

And 2 reasons to 'death ride' Freo🙃

Edited October 9, 2022 by Lucifers Hero

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Freo have a couple of highly rated young mids in Erasmus and Johnson, who'll get more game time. Lobb is a loss, but they're getting a generational talent (cough, cough) to replace him.

It's folly to predict any teams rise or fall. 

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Just now, Lord Nev said:

Come on buddy, eyes on the ball

Move on

[PaulRB 5,919]

If the Footy Gods still have their sense of poetic irony, Freo will finish 15th in 2023...

[Lord Nev 13,511]

5 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

Come on buddy, eyes on the ball

Move on

Fair enough mate.

For mine, I think they're better without Acres. Take this for what it's worth as I didn't watch every Freo game this year, but I felt like their attacking game style made them vulnerable on turnover and Acres is an absolute butcher from what I've seen.

Logue and Lobb are harder to replace, so bringing in Jackson, Sharp and Corbett is a gamble somewhat and I reckon that combined with how their young core of Darcy, Brayshaw, Young and Serong develop next year; those will be the main factors in terms of their playing group. Longmuir's development as a coach will be important too.

Freo are a hard one to pick I reckon, they could be pretty different next year in all aspects.

Edited October 9, 2022 by Lord Nev

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Just now, PaulRB said:

If the Footy Gods still have their sense of poetic irony, Freo will finish 15th in 2023...

A pick inside top 5 in what is arguably a strong draft (as well as our own pick 18!) would be sublime

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12 hours ago, Demonsone said:

Freo got us over a barrel as they know WC want give up their pick 2

I wonder hie Jackson is feeling knowing the crappy outcome for the MFC 

Why would he care?

Its a benefit to him to weaken a competitor & if he wanted what’s best for the club he would have either signed an extension, or informed the club last year when he knew he was running home. That way we could have driven the whole thing & received Cerra last year, or better than what we will get now.

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12 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Even with Fyfe in, imv they can cover the loss/replacement of some of the players I mentioned but losing 4 of your best 22 and 6 of your best 25 is quite a lot of assimilation to do.

Not the least of which is Jackson's role and synergy in the midfield/ruck.

If it's just Acres and Logue going, then that's just 3 of their b22. Acres leaving was club initiated. They didn't see him in their future plans so lowballed him to push him out. Logue I think his forward role is replaceable, and he's not playing in defence when the two players in front of him finished 2nd and 3rd in their b&f. 

Lobb will be a huge loss. If they want to contend next year they keep him.

Anyway I think this is all redundant because they're gameplan got stale and they limped towards the finish line. I fully expect them to regress regardless of personnel. And the extent on regression is probably dependent on if Lobb stays or not. 

Edited October 10, 2022 by mmwd6

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1 hour ago, Mel Bourne said:

 

Based on what? A vibe?

Freo are looking a cert for finals next year, and this future first of theirs has not exactly gotten me all that excited.

Yeah and  I wonder where we will finish given our form across the whole of last season.

The view of fans on here can be discounted, but will we finish above any of last seasons 8 bar The Dogs who are North like in hanging on with their rusted on coach a lead weight disguised as genius ( Scott/ Beveridge).

But do we actually have a first rounder next year or did we trade them all away?

I bet those considerations are in play as we pontificate from our couch

Edited October 10, 2022 by IRW

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12 hours ago, mmwd6 said:

From The Age. 

"Freo will be inclined to add a future second-round pick to the two first-round picks if they get a selection back from Melbourne, such as Essendon’s future third they receive for Weideman, or the Bedford pick."

So will probably be something like 13, F1, F2(freo) --> Jackson, Bedford pick and/or F3

So we must want the Bedford pick for some other reason, otherwise why wouldn't we just use the Bedford pick, rather than move Weideman out for it? Unless the Weideman deal isn't related to the Jackson deal.

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2 minutes ago, A F said:

So we must want the Bedford pick for some other reason, otherwise why wouldn't we just use the Bedford pick, rather than move Weideman out for it? Unless the Weideman deal isn't related to the Jackson deal.

We're not moving Weid FOR the jackson deal. We're just moving him because he wants to move and we dont want him, 

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11 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

Ok boomer.

Beat me to it haha.

2 hours ago, praha said:

I was born in 86 lol

You're a year older than me and therefore like me, a Gen Y. Treating one group of people as a monolith hasn't been that helpful in the recent past and it amounts to nothing more than patronising, needless culture wars.