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1 hour ago, rpfc said:

I think those 2 or 3 could be kicked by Weideman or by other players. It’s hardly ridiculous; I have suspicions that Bayley is a front runner and that he can’t continue to have too many more games like last week if he wants to ply finals in this team.

He was nowhere. 

It is ridiculous to drop our best and highest scoring forward after one poor game. 

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13 minutes ago, DubDee said:

That is what I was woindering. has he just been average/ok for the past 2 weeks or is he sore/carrying something.  if the latter he might benefit from a week off. I am not doubting how good he has been previously

Yep understand, no doubt if he has a niggle or 2 a rest should be on the cards.

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As much as Weitering has been huge this season and was something beyond even that against the Bulldogs, Josh Bruce kicked 5 and Aaron Naughton kicked 2 and the Dogs scored 16 goals for the game.

At the moment Carlton are a team built around too few, admittedly great, players.  An optimistic Blues supporter would look at Richmond's situation just before they came good - a similar problem of having a strong core group but nothing like a full AFL-level 22 to work with. A pessimistic Carlton supporter would just console themselves with Collingwood looking like being on the brink of implosion.

Carlton will struggle to contain Gawn/Jackson (they had a second gamer against them in the ruck for the Bulldogs), they will struggle to cope with our possible goal-kicking midfielders, and they aren't going to get the kind of lop-sided centre-clearance counts that kept Sydney in the game against us.

Three things keep Carlton in this and keep me nervous -

1. The difference between a Patrick Cripps bad game and a Patrick Cripps good game.

2. Carlton must win to keep a realistic hope alive.

3. If we drop our pressure, it brings any given opponent into contention.

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45 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

As much as Weitering has been huge this season and was something beyond even that against the Bulldogs, Josh Bruce kicked 5 and Aaron Naughton kicked 2 and the Dogs scored 16 goals for the game.

At the moment Carlton are a team built around too few, admittedly great, players.  An optimistic Blues supporter would look at Richmond's situation just before they came good - a similar problem of having a strong core group but nothing like a full AFL-level 22 to work with. A pessimistic Carlton supporter would just console themselves with Collingwood looking like being on the brink of implosion.

Carlton will struggle to contain Gawn/Jackson (they had a second gamer against them in the ruck for the Bulldogs), they will struggle to cope with our possible goal-kicking midfielders, and they aren't going to get the kind of lop-sided centre-clearance counts that kept Sydney in the game against us.

Three things keep Carlton in this and keep me nervous -

1. The difference between a Patrick Cripps bad game and a Patrick Cripps good game.

2. Carlton must win to keep a realistic hope alive.

3. If we drop our pressure, it brings any given opponent into contention.

Just another one to add to the nerves: our starts haven’t been great this year and they could get a sniff if they’re on early. 

Cripps is a damn good footballer, and he’s had days out against us before. Would love to see Harmes go back to his tagging roots to nullify his impact. 

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Carlton play unaccountable, defence free footy. If we bring the heat they will wilt. The doggies were on auto pilot for a while but as soon as they woke up they obliterated them. Cripps is not playing well, Williams in the midfield isn't working, Saad turns the ball over a lot. They really aren't all that much chop. Sydney they are not. I reckon we'll win comfortably.

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We haven't really smashed a team this year outside the Hawks in the last quarter. 

mark my words, this week will be different. the way Carlton play is going to play right into our hands. they'll attack, make mistakes, bomb it long, May and Lever will have a field day, 

Tipping us by 70 

 

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7 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

No changes

Stop McKay.  May

Stop Cripps/Walsh.  Trac oliver harmes (Jordon might tag Walsh) 

Stop Betts  Hibberd gets the job

The worries 

Stop the half backs Docherty, Williams and Saad rebound   Melksham , Spargo, ANB, have to be on their game this week  

Curnow will tag Oliver. Need to give him support. 
 

 

Clarry and Trac are untaggable, it doesnt matter who they try to run with them.

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On 5/8/2021 at 10:42 PM, MurDoc516 said:

Fantastic? I'm not saying he was the worse player just the most replaceable considering we have used Sparrow and Viney will be available soon.

It's like people saying drop Brayshaw. Who are we bringing in to play as a winger? Baker was awful against North and just middling along at Casey.

I reckon 20 contested possessions just about qualifies as fantastic.

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On 5/9/2021 at 8:09 AM, Smokey said:

Funny how you guys aren’t mentioning Gawn. He has been soundly beaten last few weeks, and co hosts the podcast. 
Social media engagement is a key part of revenue strategies these days, and Gus is absolutely hilarious so it makes perfect business sense to have him on a podcast with Gawny.

Aside from that, they do the podcast in their own time for the benefit of the club. It’s not like he’s skipping training to record it. Some people here have a very strange dad complex with the players and think they have right to comment on what they do in their own time. Totally bizarre to me. Do you honestly think he would play better if he didn’t record a 45 minute podcast? Give me a spell, stop looking for problems to discuss while we’re flying. 

Would have thought that me suggesting that Brayshaw get off the 'Google machine' might have indicated the tongue-in-cheek nature of that portion of my post? I couldn't remotely care less what players do in their spare time (to quite some extremes short of assault or bigotry) and I'm not old enough to be Brayshaw's father. Also, like Jack Watts, the level at which he invests in his football career or even the MFC is entirely his prerogative - I don't demand he respect the jumper, but I do naturally prefer players who demonstrate their hunger through actions.  

My primary point still stands though. I don't believe Gus is currently getting the best out of himself and has been surpassed by several team-mates when it comes to maturity and desire (even though I'm generally reluctant to make conclusions based on outside appearances). Great positioning or whatever is great, but a lack of evident intent at the actual contest and lazy skills execution shouldn't just then be overlooked. Also, if he'd made himself indispensable in the middle he'd still be there, and I wonder what the story would be right now if we had landed Isaac Smith. 

I'm not biased. I didn't want Gus traded when the 'midfield balance' discussion came up last year and was almost a lone voice in defending him a couple of years ago against accusations of laziness vs. Sidebottom, which arose through some selective and misleading footage. I've even thought he's been very good at times this year as to his short delivery inside-50. Last time he was left out of the team - and went on to come third in the Brownlow - he struggled to adequately self-reflect, and I'm concerned that he's back in that comfortable space without the requisite attitude to improve. 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, rpfc said:

I think those 2 or 3 could be kicked by Weideman or by other players. It’s hardly ridiculous; I have suspicions that Bayley is a front runner and that he can’t continue to have too many more games like last week if he wants to ply finals in this team.

He was nowhere. 

Your perception is amazing based on the last 3seasons of football where he clearly has been our best forward  by a mile after mid 2019. 
 

He was  beaten by a very good defender (AA standard) in Rampe  and Usually still gets a goal or two in these situations. 
But slipped in one and couldn't buy a mark under the pressure of the game.

He will be all the better For the Gsme and I  bet he will kick at least 3 vs Blues.

There is not a lot wrong at  the moment and I believe you are looking for Things that aren't there. 
 

Turn your attention to say Melksham snd you may be onto something ! 

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Just had a quick read, and think some people want to make changes for the sake of making changes.

On some of the points,

Gawn is playing more defensive at the moment, helping the back 6 until Petty gets going, or when more cover is required.

melksham IS under pressure and will either be dropped this week or needs a big game to hold his spot.

TMac won’t go to a wing - he is dominating forward, no need to move him from there.

Brayshaw is doing very well, playing his role and is a major reason our defense is so good. He could of course get more touches and for some people be more aggressive, but, don’t get it wrong, a major part of his role is structure.

Not to get people too worried, as it isn’t major, but I have heard that Jackson may be out this weekend and the next with a possible short term injury. If that is the case, the Weed is in to play fwd/ruck. Maybe I should have started with this statement ???

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12 minutes ago, Yokozuna said:

Just had a quick read, and think some people want to make changes for the sake of making changes.

On some of the points,

Gawn is playing more defensive at the moment, helping the back 6 until Petty gets going, or when more cover is required.

melksham IS under pressure and will either be dropped this week or needs a big game to hold his spot.

TMac won’t go to a wing - he is dominating forward, no need to move him from there.

Brayshaw is doing very well, playing his role and is a major reason our defense is so good. He could of course get more touches and for some people be more aggressive, but, don’t get it wrong, a major part of his role is structure.

Not to get people too worried, as it isn’t major, but I have heard that Jackson may be out this weekend and the next with a possible short term injury. If that is the case, the Weed is in to play fwd/ruck. Maybe I should have started with this statement ???

Wouldn't hurt Jackson to have a rest for a week or two.

Weideman is cherry ripe.

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Any changes will be hard this week without a VFL game. Rest week for some next week. Danger game this week, need all available 

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11 hours ago, ignition. said:

BRING IN WEIDEMAN PLEASE!

You haven't finished the thought process - bringing him in means exactly who out??

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3 hours ago, 58er said:

Your perception is amazing based on the last 3seasons of football where he clearly has been our best forward  by a mile after mid 2019. 
 

He was  beaten by a very good defender (AA standard) in Rampe  and Usually still gets a goal or two in these situations. 
But slipped in one and couldn't buy a mark under the pressure of the game.

He will be all the better For the Gsme and I  bet he will kick at least 3 vs Blues.

There is not a lot wrong at  the moment and I believe you are looking for Things that aren't there. 
 

Turn your attention to say Melksham snd you may be onto something ! 

I understand where you are coming from with Fritsch’s output and I don’t deny that Melksham is under pressure.

However, past output is meaningless really unless you are a star and Bayley plays in a ‘system’ team now where it’s not enough to kick 2 goals a game if you don’t help the team and play your role both with the footy and without.

I can tell you - the direction from the coaches won’t be ‘make sure you get your 2 or 3 goals’...

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13 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

As much as Weitering has been huge this season and was something beyond even that against the Bulldogs, Josh Bruce kicked 5 and Aaron Naughton kicked 2 and the Dogs scored 16 goals for the game.

At the moment Carlton are a team built around too few, admittedly great, players.  An optimistic Blues supporter would look at Richmond's situation just before they came good - a similar problem of having a strong core group but nothing like a full AFL-level 22 to work with. A pessimistic Carlton supporter would just console themselves with Collingwood looking like being on the brink of implosion.

Carlton will struggle to contain Gawn/Jackson (they had a second gamer against them in the ruck for the Bulldogs), they will struggle to cope with our possible goal-kicking midfielders, and they aren't going to get the kind of lop-sided centre-clearance counts that kept Sydney in the game against us.

Three things keep Carlton in this and keep me nervous -

1. The difference between a Patrick Cripps bad game and a Patrick Cripps good game.

2. Carlton must win to keep a realistic hope alive.

3. If we drop our pressure, it brings any given opponent into contention.

4. They just lost a game they really should have won and they know it. We represent an immediate second chance to grab the scalp they  just missed and reset their season. 

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I believe as current front runners, management will be required, we are being hunted already, the Swans obviously did a huge amount of prep. And Carlton is a good team to practice list management with/against because they are what we used to be, front runners seeking glory with a lack of team defense.

Gawn needs a rest, he also need to learn to put a hurt on those sniping him.

Nev has an awesome record against Betts, never been beaten by him, give him a go. Only defensive change (for Hibberd)

Change one of Melksham and Fritsch, not because we have to but this is a good game to practice in.

TMac stays forward.

Gus gets another game. 

Everyone in the club is so positive about Petty, I am feeling like it is trust the coach time, lets give him a longer run.

Or if they go with no change I am cool with that. But there is no way we don’t have few unspoken injuries.

Club to buy a hyperbaric chamber though, and I want our top 10 sleeping in it 3 nights a week minimum.

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Lets say Weideman (famous name) plays this week due to an injury.

What if he fizzles out like a cheap firecracker which he has done often in the past. Do we persist with him or send him back to the VFL....Just asking.

The player i would love in this side is VDB.Sadly looks like he wont make it. Hes so strong. I saw him do a regulation tackle on an opponent..SCG?  nothing special but the opponent was toast. Mangled.

VDB would be one of first picked in Sept if fit and playing well.

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Nobody deserves to be dropped.

Jones has had a rest and could come back. He was lucky 300 came when it did but then stiff to be dropped after playing well versus Richmond and North.

Weideman is incredibly unlucky to be on the outer. He could be our best forward.

I like Chandler but ANB, Kossie and Spargo are going well.

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15 minutes ago, siam juntaRus said:

Lets say Weideman (famous name) plays this week due to an injury.

What if he fizzles out like a cheap firecracker which he has done often in the past. Do we persist with him or send him back to the VFL....Just asking.

The player i would love in this side is VDB.Sadly looks like he wont make it. Hes so strong. I saw him do a regulation tackle on an opponent..SCG?  nothing special but the opponent was toast. Mangled.

VDB would be one of first picked in Sept if fit and playing well.

i'm afraid Vanders is finished and we are in trouble if we need him in finals, mainly because he is undisciplined and can't use the ball.

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On 5/9/2021 at 11:15 PM, Patches O’houlihan said:

No change. 

even if Petracca is sore, he will just play more forward, which will just cause more headaches for Carlton. 

I'd be sending Harmes to run with Walsh, back Oliver to beat Cripps and May to beat McKay. 

 

The idea that playing forward is a relative bludge should be challenged 

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