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1 minute ago, picket fence said:

If Correct the tail is wagging the Dog!! How friggen Selfish! But how Typical and short sighted are MFC!

But if we're being realistic, Viney is a burst player and he wants to be in there now when the season is on the line and contribute to a resurgence. No point trying to get him 100% if the season is done. I'd take a 90-95% Viney playing through soreness over ANB

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I must be on the wrong site- people complaining about ANB being dropped? What happened to many posters saying he should not play again, the coach has no idea for picking him etc. one decent game changes your opinion?

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GCS are no easy beats. Have people watched their games? We need our best team in there right now. The season is on the line this week, not the week after.

We haven't earnt any confidence to assume this is a win and Viney can return v wce.

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2 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

But if we're being realistic, Viney is a burst player and he wants to be in there now when the season is on the line and contribute to a resurgence. No point trying to get him 100% if the season is done. I'd take a 90-95% Viney playing through soreness over ANB

Thanks John , Point is how many times can JV say he is fit when reality and history have revealed he was less than ready to go. I don't care about Pain thresholds or 80 % fit this seems to be a common theme. As Simon Goodwin iterated "Its his call he knows his body"

Nar Bulltish, it should be up to medical experts to call a player fit, not the player!! 

This is Unprofessional IMO  if so!

I can , however see where you are coming from!

Cheers

PF 

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3 minutes ago, DubDee said:

I must be on the wrong site- people complaining about ANB being dropped? What happened to many posters saying he should not play again, the coach has no idea for picking him etc. one decent game changes your opinion?

Pretty simple formula, you play badly you get dropped... you play well (and he did play well) you stay in the side unless a better player can come back in. Viney a better player at this point of the season is debatable, thus the comments.

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2 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Pretty simple formula, you play badly you get dropped... you play well (and he did play well) you stay in the side unless a better player can come back in. Viney a better player at this point of the season is debatable, thus the comments.

Viney a better player than Alex debatable? Okay conversation over. 

No offends to Alex, I like him and he tries hard but is limited

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4 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Viney a better player than Alex debatable? Okay conversation over. 

No offends to Alex, I like him and he tries hard but is limited

In a team balance (inside/outside) sense, not purely rating as players.  If you are doing a pure comparison of course you would say Viney over ANB.

But they aren't playing the same role. Horses for courses, niggling fitness issues, given who we are up against this week....ANB was a keeper.  Viney managed in prep for the trip West (assuming 90% or better).

From the outside, and of course knowing very little of what the hec is really happening at ground level (ie, flying blind) it appears to be a no brainer (for this week against GCS at least).

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14 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Viney a better player than Alex debatable? Okay conversation over. 

No offends to Alex, I like him and he tries hard but is limited

Read the context “at this point”, as in Viney has been sub par before his injury  and ANB had his best game of the season. You can blindly go on and say Viney is the better player without the context. 

Both of them are limited. 

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56 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Only one for me DV and that's the first one you listed.

Would have been better keeping a winning (better balanced inside/outside) team and resting/managing Viney for another week to bring him closer to speed to play the Weagles.

I assume they're doing this (managed) with Pruess for the same reason.

And for the reasons you stated,  i reckon ANB will be 'In'...  for someone else out ? 

I wondering if they'll give the Tracta a rest at Casey for a couple,  like they are with Weide atmo...  Weide to return against the Eagles ?

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2 hours ago, sisso said:

Another week of hmmmm selections, ANB was far from our worst last week....Wagner or Lewis were more deserving of a run in the VFL

Wagner was petty good against the Hawks. He’s actually been very good I feel since coming back in.

AnB is about right I feel. Jay Lockhart is probably keeping him out rather than Viney.

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1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Jesus.. i watched the replay on Sunday and ANB didn't do anything major to be dropped. And thats saying something coming from me....

Viney of course the [censored] would have said he's right to go when he's probably only 70%.. selfish as usual from Jack.

Agree entirely with your view. Unfortunately Vineys style is not to ease his way back into the game, it is crash and bash from the start. An admirable quality but some caution needs to be exercised with his history.

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58 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Read the context “at this point”, as in Viney has been sub par before his injury  and ANB had his best game of the season. You can blindly go on and say Viney is the better player without the context. 

Both of them are limited. 

Get the context. At this point Viney is out co captain and a much better player then ANB. 

Viney will go down as a MFC legend when he lifts the cup in a couple of years

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1 hour ago, DV8 said:

And for the reasons you stated,  i reckon ANB will be 'In'...  for someone else out ? 

I wondering if they'll give the Tracta a rest at Casey for a couple,  like they are with Weide atmo...  Weide to return against the Eagles ?

Can't see Tracc coming out but you never know DV.

The only player i could see ANB replacing would be Stretch.

Weid injured himself at Casey didn't he?  Can't see how he would be ready by next week if he doesnt play and play very well at Casey this week.  Someone else would need to part for him also which will obviously depend on performance this week.

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ANB was definitely hard done by IMO.  I understand stats are not everything, but in assessing effort,  he had the most pressure acts (26) and laid the most tackles (8) in the side last week. He also had a reasonable disposal efficiency (74%). It would be great if the mod had the chance to put back to back games together.  Others were much worse. 

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57 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Fritsch should’ve been dropped before ANB. 

All l saw from Fritsch all day were dropped marks, kicks out on the fall and getting pinged for holding the ball. And last week was one of his better games for the year!!

I though a stint in the VFL was in order for him.

Agree.  He had a very average game.

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Only thing I can think is that shoulder AC doesn't stop you running, it just stops physical contact and maybe overhead ball handling. First few weeks Viney seemed underdone fitness wise, hopefully he has been able to work on that. 

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Don't get ANB being dropped after a good game, and his work off the ball is huge, that running power is a weapon even if the skills are occasionally unreliable. 

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1 minute ago, DaisyDeeciple said:

Don't get ANB being dropped after a good game, and his work off the ball is huge, that running power is a weapon even if the skills are occasionally unreliable. 

Agree, felt the forward line and team defence were better, because of his contribution. Would rather see Wagner out, or Lewis than ANB!

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1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:

Can't see Tracc coming out but you never know DV.

The only player i could see ANB replacing would be Stretch.

Weid injured himself at Casey didn't he?  Can't see how he would be ready by next week if he doesnt play and play very well at Casey this week.  Someone else would need to part for him also which will obviously depend on performance this week.

IMO, we need Stretches run and speed, and reasonable kicking. linking up...  and Stretch needs Us,  to give him some games on the run.

Tracca has been treading water for far too long now,  just going.   It sounds to me like he's lifted intensity a little just recently...  but IMO going back to Casey could be like a confessional for him,  To get that monkey he's been cultivating from his back.

Some of our players,  including many of our young players,  haven't gone forward this year.   I think most of them need a wake up call.

Just like it seems the club is giving  Weide,  atmo.

 

I reckon many could benefit from a little reminder... especially for those who haven't been on the Casey field,  in recent seasons.

That reminder could well serve the club well into next season.

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