Pedersen v Weideman this weekend

[Rogue 585]

Weid should be in the best multiple weeks in a row before getting a gig, especially if we're competitive at AFL-level.

[DeeSpencer 25,713]

Pedersen has been serviceable when thrown in to the ruck and has done enough up forward in really what is a bit of a decoy role standing under high kicks. Both games he's done the proverbial 'play his role'.

Weeds needs more than 2 practice matches to take his spot. 

Big Sam's been picked out of necessity for a large part of his young career and he needs to really blow the house down for his next selection. That knowledge that he's far better than VFL will give him confidence to play well at AFL level.

[MudDogs Gawn Win.. someday 499]

3 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

If he kicks 2 or more goals and does a decent job as relief ruck he will be in the running for round 4.

2 goals in the VFL? That would be the equivalent of clapping a batsman off for making 20..

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,833]

9 hours ago, nosoupforme said:

Weideman  as much as l like and him hope that for a top 10 pick does well. However he needs to put several good consistent games together before he is ever picked to play.  His best ever game was his first game against Hawthorn 2 years ago. Believe me why play him if he can't put 2 reasonable games together in the VFL.. At the minute you stick with Pedo because he has  some runs on the board . He did ok last season.            

Hope TMAC is back soon.

Pedo also played that Hawthorn game and in my veiw actually played alot better than Weid.  There is a great passage of play where Weid roves a loose ball running through CHF and either delivers deep forward or kicks the goal himself, I don't fully remember.  What I do remember is Pedo competing arially crashing a pack for that loose ball to spill to Weid and also the several other big contested marks that Pedo took that day.

 

9 hours ago, DemonAndrew said:

He was also instrumental in the win over Adelaide, and of particular note was some fierce attack on the ball and great tackling 

I think he’s got all the hallmarks of an afl player

He’s still very young and undersized, but he shows talent with his skill set - all about desire and application and probably just as importantly for a big bloke, fitness, which is something he’s never had a real opportunity to develop due to niggles

Not every player can burst into the scene, and that’s especially true of talls 

That game against Adelaide was the benchmark by which Weid should measure himself at AFL level.  Unfortunately I also remember him being bog ordanary and meek in our early games last year he was called upon, one being against Geelong (suggestions he was injured, so maybe some reasonable excuse) and I forget the other, but as much as he has played some good games and shown some good signs, there are an equal or more number of games he has highly under delivered at the top level to date.

 

Now that it's all in the past (at the time, I've felt some of his selections over others have cost us games), I'm ok with putting his bad games down to development opertunities, but I really think the selection committee and coaches need to think more carefully about how and when to introduce him back into the side.  I definitely see potential in Weid, but I'm fully in the camp of him needing to show consistent form, preferabbly against some quality/big bodied defenders at VFL level before he is reintroduced at AFL level.  When he is, we shouldn't be viewing him as a solution to a forwardline deficiency, so I think he plays along side Pedo, T Mac or possibly even both.  But when he is selected, providing the required intensity is there, he should be given a decient period of 4 - 6 weeks to properly establish himself at the top level.

As an asides, I think people are scared by Lucas Cook story and relating that to Weid.  I take a bit of a Paul Roos view on this and who cares what number they were drafted at and which top draft picks go on to have great careers and those who don't is just such a lottery.  Even if Weid turns out to be the wrong pick available at No. 9, I'll always be greatfull that our recuitment team saw something special and picked Clarry at 4, because if he wasn't there by our next pick and we missed out, then that would have been a real loss.

Edited April 4, 2018 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[Diamond_Jim 12,590]

Lots of good points but lets remember Tom Mc is possibly out for the next 6 rounds.

If Pederson is in he needs to kick 2-3 goals if we are to win those matches.

The Weid is the "possible" future.

If not round 4 it will be round 5.

It is simply a competition between the two. Or is the lesser of two evils at present.

Unfortunately Weid showed little last year (one half against Hawthorn at Box Hill... I was there) but against Coburg for example last year he was woeful.

Will watch them both closely this weekend as I am sure will the selection brains trust.

[Gator 17,361]

11 hours ago, Roost It said:

Weideman is't even close to a seniors game To suggest he is shows a complete lack of understanding of the game. The kid is a flop. He's Lucas Cook mark 2, we all know it but only some can admit it. 

Someone suggested on another thread that you get inside info.

I find that hard to believe.

[Gator 17,361]

10 hours ago, praha said:

I've lost some respect for the Demonland faithful based on some comments about Pederson.

If you can't see his contribution, you have rocks in your head.

Zero chance Pederson gets directly replaced by Weeds.

Pederson is respected by opposition defenders, as such he demands a key defender. This has allowed Hogan to thrive. Pederson is an incredibly smart and instinctive player, and is an asset to the current team structure.

Dropping him would be a huge mistake. Teams know he has the capacity to kick 3-4 goals, can take a contested mark, has pace, can tackle, and has very good vision.

Dare I say teams are more focused on defending Pederson than Hogan, because they know that Hogan naturally floats through the middle at random points. 

As it stands, he adds complexity to our forward line structure. Replacing him with an inexperienced, one dimensional (as it stands) player in Weiderman would be bordering on tanking.

By all means, bring in Weeds. But not at the expense of Pederson.

I'm not sure anyone craves your "respect".

I disagree with your post and believe Weideman will replace Pedersen when the MC believes he's ready.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,861]

Weeds needs to find, as my ex-employee called it, his ‘inner [censored],’ some mongrel if you will. I have faith that he’ll become a good player, he just needs time. At this stage Pedersen is the better option. 

Edited April 5, 2018 by Ethan Tremblay

[praha 11,240]

49 minutes ago, ProDee said:

I'm not sure anyone craves your "respect".

I disagree with your post and believe Weideman will replace Pedersen when the MC believes he's ready.

Except I'm not talking about when Weiderman is ready. I'm talking about now as it currently stands. Obviously Weeds will last longer than Pederson seeing as Cam is like 32 years old?

[Ethan Tremblay 30,861]

Just now, praha said:

Except I'm not talking about when Weiderman is ready. I'm talking about now as it currently stands. Obviously Weeds will last longer than Pederson seeing as Cam is like 32 years old?

He recently turned 31.

[Gator 17,361]

2 minutes ago, praha said:

Except I'm not talking about when Weiderman is ready. I'm talking about now as it currently stands. Obviously Weeds will last longer than Pederson seeing as Cam is like 32 years old?

I'm talking weeks, not months.

[Demons11 7,025]

Weeds will come in, once he has got his match fitness up. 

[caco demon 29]

The delivery into the forward line for Pedo hasn't been great either.

[DV8 2,271]

12 hours ago, praha said:

I've lost some respect for the Demonland faithful based on some comments about Pederson.

If you can't see his contribution, you have rocks in your head.

Zero chance Pederson gets directly replaced by Weeds.

Pederson is respected by opposition defenders, as such he demands a key defender. This has allowed Hogan to thrive. Pederson is an incredibly smart and instinctive player, and is an asset to the current team structure.

Dropping him would be a huge mistake. Teams know he has the capacity to kick 3-4 goals, can take a contested mark, has pace, can tackle, and has very good vision.

Dare I say teams are more focused on defending Pederson than Hogan, because they know that Hogan naturally floats through the middle at random points. 

As it stands, he adds complexity to our forward line structure. Replacing him with an inexperienced, one dimensional (as it stands) player in Weiderman would be bordering on tanking.

By all means, bring in Weeds. But not at the expense of Pederson.

That's what happened last year, when we dropped Pedo.  Brought back Gawn too soon, and the wheels started wobbling until they broke.

And then, so did we.

Most supporters only see the players attack on the footy & then if/when they have it, & what they do next.

Not as much off the ball stuff, it goes unnoticed, not looked for.

Its in this area the club has to improve, in the little off the ball 1% 'r  things, to help our teammates.

[jnrmac 20,090]

14 hours ago, DemonAndrew said:

He was also instrumental in the win over Adelaide, and of particular note was some fierce attack on the ball and great tackling 

I think he’s got all the hallmarks of an afl player

He’s still very young and undersized, but he shows talent with his skill set - all about desire and application and probably just as importantly for a big bloke, fitness, which is something he’s never had a real opportunity to develop due to niggles

Not every player can burst into the scene, and that’s especially true of talls 

Which is it?

[TRIGON 4,783]

Stick fat with ‘the priest’. Mary Jane needs to show a solid block of form first.

[rjay 24,929]

Weideman is being trained to replace both Pedders & Tommy as the forward ruck option...

The sooner he gets there (if he does) the better for us.

Where that leaves Tommy is the more interesting question for me.

Will he end up the new Trengove of the Port now Dogs variety?

Is there a place for him forward or back?

[Gator 17,361]

38 minutes ago, rjay said:

Weideman is being trained to replace both Pedders & Tommy as the forward ruck option...

The sooner he gets there (if he does) the better for us.

Where that leaves Tommy is the more interesting question for me.

Will he end up the new Trengove of the Port now Dogs variety?

Is there a place for him forward or back?

We won't need him back.  Petty will be a gun.

And we may not need him forward.  Many have written off Weideman, but I haven't.  If he comes along we may not need Tom in the forward-line either.

What's he worth on the market ?

[Diamond_Jim 12,590]

40 minutes ago, rjay said:

Weideman is being trained to replace both Pedders & Tommy as the forward ruck option...

The sooner he gets there (if he does) the better for us.

Where that leaves Tommy is the more interesting question for me.

Will he end up the new Trengove of the Port now Dogs variety?

Is there a place for him forward or back?

I've been thinking of Tom as the "Swinging Back" if the Weid ever hits his straps

[Diamond_Jim 12,590]

2 minutes ago, ProDee said:

We won't need him back.  Petty will be a gun.

And we may not need him forward.  Many have written off Weideman, but I haven't.  If he comes along we may not need Tom in the forward-line either.

What's he worth on the market ?

Isn't he an unrestricted free agent ?

[Gator 17,361]

1 minute ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Isn't he an unrestricted free agent ?

Actually, I think you're right.

[DeeSpencer 25,713]

23 minutes ago, ProDee said:

We won't need him back.  Petty will be a gun.

And we may not need him forward.  Many have written off Weideman, but I haven't.  If he comes along we may not need Tom in the forward-line either.

What's he worth on the market ?

I'd love to see Weids and Petty come in and dominate and Hogan sign an extension allowing us to let Tom go, although I'd also like to keep him as the new Pedersen and capable of playing forward, back and in the ruck. One complication is if we let him go as a free agent we'd lose compensation if we signed any free agents and I'd think we'd have interest in Sloane, Gaff and Dahlhaus. He's a restricted free agent so we could match an offer then trade him either right away or down the track. Anyway, much too early in the season for list management stuff. 

I'm expecting Tom to be back closer to a month, he did a fair bit of running on Wednesday. I'd also like to see Weids start taking marks week in week out at Casey. Bit of an old fashioned metric but if he's not taking 6+ marks a game at Casey he won't be getting a lot of touches or impacting contests at AFL level.

[Skuit 10,031]

Pedo is super-important as one of only genuine aerial competitors. Especially this week. Contested grabs on the wings and around the flanks was the singular difference when North defeated us first time round last year. I hope our footy trust is planning on measures to negate because we haven't improved much in that department so far this season - even with Hoges and Max in the team. Weids won't be of any help yet where that's concerned.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,842]

Pedo will survive at least the next 2-3 weeks while Weideman is building form in the VFL. However he won't want to keep dishing up 6 possesion 2 mark games like last week, if he wants to play the every game before T Mac returns.  

[Pennant St Dee 13,185]

8 hours ago, ProDee said:

 

I disagree with your post and believe Weideman will replace Pedersen when the MC believes he's ready.

 

6 hours ago, Demons11 said:

Weeds will come in, once he has got his match fitness up. 

Sums up my thoughts and clearly why they have been working on Weids ruck work with a view to him playing the role Pedo has