Nathan Jones On the Couch

[jumbo returns 6,741]

6 hours ago, DaveyDee said:

That is a disgusting allegation directed towards our captain - I'm somewhat surprised the moderators have allowed it to remain the way it has been worded. 

Just because your opinion differs from an answer he gave to a question - As a supporter base, we cant expect respect until we can display respect as a supporter base. 

However, I'm sure you are prepared to come out from your anonymous "keyboard warrior" status and direct the allegation direct to his face - but then again I won't hold my breath.   

How are you travelling, brother? All good?

[Lucifers Hero 39,739]

Garry asked him if it was true that Tyson wasn't selected because of his role in the camp being cancelled.  Garry wouldn't make that up so he has heard it somewhere.  Jones gave the only answer he could which is it is 'nonsense'. 

But right there Tyson was outed as one of the agitators which is really poor.

Whether he deserved to be selected I do not know.  However, I would be ropeable if our selection panel were 'punishing' a player for standing up for something he believed.  It would be petty and I hope our coaches are more mature than that.

Edited March 26, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

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4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Garry asked him if it was true that Tyson wasn't selected because of his role in the camp being cancelled.  Garry wouldn't make that up so he has heard it somewhere.  Jones gave the only answer he could which is it is 'nonsense'. 

But right there Tyson was outed as one of the agitators which is really poor.

Whether he deserved to be selected I do not know.  However, I would be ropeable if our selection panel were 'punishing' a player for standing up for something he believed.  It would be petty and I hope our coaches are more mature than that.

Garry probably plucked that theory straight off of demonland....

[jackaub 1,402]

Wayne Carey went down the same path on the other show semed pretty sure 

Gee I really hope Goodwin is above this and is not playing mind games

BTW I really believe the way the captaincy was announced has seriously affected Jonesys' game

[grazman 7,432]

Nathan being on the show the week after the cancelled boot camp was raised in the season opener was no coincidence.  The club is being proactive and I believe there are a lot of people that want to see us succeed and quite a few involved in that show,  but there's definitely blood in the water with this story.   He was able to swat the questions to the boundary relatively easily (not that his surfing buddy wouldn't have let him know what was coming).   There's an issue here, but it's manageable and it shouldn't define our season.  My fear like all Melbourne supporters is that somehow the club will once again find a way of stuffing this up.

The concern for me on the weekend was a lack of cohesion in defence and our lack of forward pressure.  ANB, Melksham, Garlett and Hannan had 5 tackles between them.  Fritsch had 5 by himself.  Nev looked uncharacteristically lethargic.  Tyson and Brayshaw's non-selection (assuming that Gus was true to his word and was fine to play on the weekend) may have had a role to play (not saying it was deliberate, but players subconsciously can be put off by perceived injustices).  I wouldn't say it was a lack of intensity, but quite a few just didn't seem switched on.

This looks like being another test of Goodwin's leadership.  It would be rare for any leader not to be challenged from within, and they are the most dangerous of challenges, because while outside threats can unify, internal dissent is all about disunity. He needs to be measured,consistent and fair.   Peter Jackson should be reminding him that list management decisions are made at the end of the year not at the start.  

Edited March 26, 2018 by grazman

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This camp thing seems like b-s.  If Tyson was up to scratch, and could help us win, would Goodie really not pick him?  What sort of internal culture would that create?  On the flip side, if there were internal metrics (that keyboard warriors cant see) that determine if he was doing what was required to get the role, then the guys who were ahead of him should be upset if he was selected on last year’s form and not against preseason form (relevant NOW).  If we had 30 players who were good to go, how do you select who plays?  How do you know how close he was? 

I bet if we won the conversation would have a different tone.

And if the camp was B-S, I’m glad it was cancelled.  At the wrong time this macho ‘endurance’ weekends actually harm performance and negatively impact culture.  Can the media and dyckheads here just get over it?

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14 minutes ago, jackaub said:

Wayne Carey went down the same path on the other show semed pretty sure 

Gee I really hope Goodwin is above this and is not playing mind games

BTW I really believe the way the captaincy was announced has seriously affected Jonesys' game

He also went down on a teammates missus.  Lot of good that did him.

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The wheels are falling off...

[Sir Why You Little 37,033]

7 hours ago, DaveyDee said:

Again, I have no problems with you having an opinion on our captains character. 

Personally, I can see the difficult situation he has been placed in infront of the cameras - but I'm not going to slur his or the clubs character without getting all the facts. 

Just not sure anybody here has all the facts - but again fine to state your opinions. 

Nobody cares about your opinions here Dr. Who

don’t you get that?

you are a fraud. Now STOP HIJACKING EVERY THREAD with you sanctimonious drivel. It has gone on for weeks

 

ENOUGH....

[Guest]

9 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

Lied through his back teeth when he was asked about Wattsy....

I noticed Roos was quite cool towards him

Mean spirited. 

You have a  blind spot on this issue.

Edited March 26, 2018 by Guest

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7 hours ago, Goffer said:

Honestly wish the club would minimise media contact. Seems every time a senior player makes a public statement we singularly fail to back it up in our next game

He should have had a quiet night at home. Why front up to a show where the optics were never going to be good and the answers unsatisfying? There were no positives to be gained. He was just giving oxygen to the controversies.

Edited March 26, 2018 by america de cali

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5 hours ago, SaberFang said:

Pointing out when someone is lying is not "stating an opinion." It's called "calling out [censored]." I understand why it's done, but I'm going to call it out for the BS it is.

Just be mindful our players and our players families also want to be part of our community 

Listen to last 2 Demonland podcasts

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19 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Nobody cares about your opinions here Dr. Who

don’t you get that?

you are a fraud. Now STOP HIJACKING EVERY THREAD with you sanctimonious drivel. It has gone on for weeks

 

ENOUGH....

Ok fair call - you obviously take this more serious than me. I thought it was just a bit of fun. 

I’m going to do as you ask and leave. 

All the best hope we have a great year. 

Go Dees

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1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Garry asked him if it was true that Tyson wasn't selected because of his role in the camp being cancelled.  Garry wouldn't make that up so he has heard it somewhere.  Jones gave the only answer he could which is it is 'nonsense'. 

But right there Tyson was outed as one of the agitators which is really poor.

Whether he deserved to be selected I do not know.  However, I would be ropeable if our selection panel were 'punishing' a player for standing up for something he believed.  It would be petty and I hope our coaches are more mature than that.

Tyson's injury last pre-season and the supposed lack of medical facilities or attention have been mentioned in the story about the pre-season camp. So it would make sense if he was one of the ones against the camp.

But can we move on from the pre-season? Its real game stuff now. Many more things to whine about.

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1 hour ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Mean spirited. 

You have a  blind spot on this issue.

Stretcher, I don't

I miss JW at the club, but, believe it or not, I've moved on - doesn't mean that I don't want him to do well or follow his progress

Jonesy was awkward when JW was brought up and I feel that he needed to be more honest in his summation that surrounded the situation (in my very servile, humble opinion)

 

Edited March 26, 2018 by jumbo returns

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8 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Stretcher, I don't

I miss JW at the club, but, believe it or not, I've moved on - doesn't mean that I don't want him to do well or follow his progress

Jonesy was awkward when JW was brought up and I feel that he needed to be more honest in his summation that surrounded the situation (in my very servile, humble opinion)

 

Now whos lying theough their teeth/keyboard haha

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SUCH IS LIFE! said someone. 

What time Is Days of our lives on? 

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4 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Garry asked him if it was true that Tyson wasn't selected because of his role in the camp being cancelled.  Garry wouldn't make that up so he has heard it somewhere.  Jones gave the only answer he could which is it is 'nonsense'. 

But right there Tyson was outed as one of the agitators which is really poor.

There has been a rumour buzzing around that Tyson was out because of his role in the cancelled camp. I know of it said by a footy heavy hitter. 

However, David King on SEN basically said it was bull tish. 

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I wasn't surprised that Tyson didn't get a game, but not selecting him just opened ourselves up to these camp allegations.

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I didn’t see this last night, but these interviews usually pop up on the club website in the video section 1-2 after airing so will keep in eye out.

After Tyson injuring his knee at the camp last year, then the fallout of the camp this year and not selecting him, we opened ourselves up to speculation. Fact is Tyson should’ve played on the weekend. He’s a better option than many who were selected and subsequently failed on the weekend.

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3 hours ago, jackaub said:

Wayne Carey went down the same path on the other show semed pretty sure 

Gee I really hope Goodwin is above this and is not playing mind games

BTW I really believe the way the captaincy was announced has seriously affected Jonesys' game

He named quite a fair few players who were for and against the camp didn’t he. 

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18 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

He named quite a fair few players who were for and against the camp didn’t he. 

Yes Ethan

He knows  something but wasnt prepared to say it was my impression.

Anyway I just wish these  shooting in the foot moments disappear from the dees there appears always to be a distraction of some sort It really looks amatuerish 

 

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3 hours ago, america de cali said:

He should have had a quiet night at home. Why front up to a show where the optics were never going to be good and the answers unsatisfying? There were no positives to be gained. He was just giving oxygen to the controversies.

He has to get out, he has to represent the MFC brand and other brands to support our sponsors. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,033]

3 hours ago, DaveyDee said:

Ok fair call - you obviously take this more serious than me. I thought it was just a bit of fun. 

I’m going to do as you ask and leave. 

All the best hope we have a great year. 

Go Dees

The door ? is over there ? 

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2 hours ago, nosoupforme said:

SUCH IS LIFE! said someone. 

What time Is Days of our lives on? 

“Like meatloaf through a straw...”