Clarkson admits Hawks tanked at end of 2017

[Sir Why You Little 37,313]

9 minutes ago, Macca said:

Many are blissfully unaware of how widespread tanking is.  Both here in the AFL and in overseas sports.  It makes no difference as to whether people are interested in other sports - the issue is about tanking. 

As for Caro - she is nothing but a muck-raking gossip columnist who I have zero respect for.  Mainly based on her disgusting comments about the para-olympian athletes.  Her football knowledge wouldn't fit on the back of a postage stamp.  I basically ignore her but I also ignore many in the media (of either gender - Robbo etc)

Aah yes. I had forgotten about her shoddy treatment of disabled athletes, thanks for the reminder Macca. 

My memory of Wilson will always be her leaving the MCG at 1/4 time on a saturday arvo. 

The football itself was a minor issue of her agenda, bit like the top floor of AFL House...

Edited March 4, 2018 by Sir Why You Little

[Macca 17,114]

5 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Aah yes. I had forgotten about her shoddy treatment of disabled athletes, thanks for the reminder Macca. 

My memory of Wilson will always be her leaving the MCG at 1/4 time on a saturday arvo. 

The football itself was a minor issue of her agenda, bit like the top floor of AFL House...

I prefer to listen to or watch the footy-heads - ex players often have a lot to offer forward.  As for the gossip - no thanks.  But each to their own. 

The worst part about tanking and where it's gone to is how the fans can embrace it as well.  Lose now to win later is a modern day doctrine. 

I'd prefer to find a way to get rid of it (tanking) and I still hold those same sort of ideals towards drugs in sport.  Win fair & square should be the motto but we now live in a different world.

[Sir Why You Little 37,313]

5 minutes ago, Macca said:

I prefer to listen to or watch the footy-heads - ex players often have a lot to offer forward.  As for the gossip - no thanks.  But each to their own. 

The worst part about tanking and where it's gone to is how the fans can embrace it as well.  Lose now to win later is a modern day doctrine. 

I'd prefer to find a way to get rid of it (tanking) and I still hold those same sort of ideals towards drugs in sport.  Win fair & square should be the motto but we now live in a different world.

Too much $$$ involved now Macca, once the Broadcast deals went over a $Billion per contract i knew we were heading down the wrong road. 

Honour cannot compete against wads of cash, 

“Every man has his price, it depends how hard you push the button..”

Edited March 4, 2018 by Sir Why You Little

[Bay Riffin 1,493]

2 hours ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

Let me get this straight....

Why do we continue to dwell on this? 

We now are moving beyond that dark time and people want to dredge this up? We truly are a misery guts bunch.

Clarko clearly said that the aim was still to win after they started 0-4. That was clearly the case as they finished the year off well and were hovering just outside the eight.

There was no 'prize' awaiting them should they achieve a set amount of wins. They were going to get some miles into the legs of some of their blokes and if they got to September then so be it. THAT'S the difference.

I would suggest some look at the bloke who got the roughest end of the pineapple, Dean Bailey, when it comes to talking about this. Bails was bitter when it came to how he had been dealt with in the whole tanking imbroglio. He had every right to be as well. However, he didn't want bitterness to define him as a person. While there were a few people he still might have had some axes to grind with, he let it go.

One thing I can't get over with with this club is that we still have pizzing matches over inconsequential stuff that has long passed (be it the merger, Joe Gutnick, Cameron Schwab etc.) With this issue, some are starting to sound like those Essendon supporters they hypocritically bag for their willingness to grasp at any straw to vindicate them. 

It was a dark chapter in  our history. There was some double dealing at City Hall but we were far from angels. To pretend that was the case is delusional and ignores the fact that said dodgy strategy set us back 5 years plus.

 

 

brilliantly said. What did Clarkson actually gain? going up one or two positions in draft position ?

 

we need to move on.

[Demon trucker 1,800]

1 hour ago, Bay Riffin said:

brilliantly said. What did Clarkson actually gain? going up one or two positions in draft position ?

 

we need to move on.

He gain nothing they already had no 1 st and 2 round picks, Hawthorne did not tank no one was dropped in the side who was not playing well in fact the younger players improved them, 

[Cassiew 1,903]

And we still lost to them.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,451]

8 hours ago, Mister Ed said:

Alastair Clarkson: Hawthorn 'left finals go' in 2017

Rather than bust a gut in an attempt to scrape into eighth position, the Year was devoted to playing youngsters and experimenting with positional changes.

The late Dean Bailey copped a suspension for being suspected of doing much the same thing. Chris Connolly got one for joking about it. The MFC was heavily fined and had to spend time and money defending itself.

Carlton did it and wasn’t even investigated.

Surely though, Clarkson has brought the game into disrepute. The AFL needs to look into this scandalous behaviour.

I get what you're saying, but the Hawks didn't have a 1st round pick let alone trying to get a priority pick so there was no reward for losing.

[Moonshadow 17,678]

Tank talk is soooooooo 2009

[DaveyDee 421]

36 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Tank talk is soooooooo 2009

Only on Demonland would you get MFC supporters talking about tanking. 

[daisycutter 29,892]

8 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

Only on Demonland would you get MFC supporters talking about tanking. 

no one is forcing you to stay

[Whispering_Jack 31,174]

It’s all water under the bridge now but the only comment worthy of making is that agendas and double standards will always apply in AFL circles as they do in all forms of politics.

[Gator 17,972]

On the back of numerous injuries Hawthorn managed their list for development purposes.  There was no carrot or nefarious prize motivating them. 

Melbourne tried to manipulate results to improve their draft position. 

If you think the two are the same you're breathtakingly stupid. 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,034]

22 hours ago, Macca said:

Many are blissfully unaware of how widespread tanking is.  Both here in the AFL and in overseas sports.  It makes no difference as to whether people are interested in other sports - the issue is about tanking. 

As for Caro - she is often just a muck-raking gossip columnist.  Her actual football knowledge is quite poor.  I basically ignore her but I also ignore many/most in the media (of either gender - Robbo etc)

I was amused by this.  I read it as meaning that it's not clear what gender Mark Robinson is. Usually the debate is about what his profession or skill set is. This is something new and refreshing. 

[Ethan Tremblay 31,243]

There’s a difference between playing 19 year olds who show promise and playing Paul Johnson and Daniel Hughes.

[Macca 17,114]

42 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I was amused by this.  I read it as meaning that it's not clear what gender Mark Robinson is. Usually the debate is about what his profession or skill set is. This is something new and refreshing. 

Such is the nature of the over-the-top political correctness these days 'LDvC' that I made that comment re Robbo (and others) to stave off those who may believe my views on 'Caro' were one sided.

Edited March 5, 2018 by Macca

[ickey_11 145]

Did anyone look at Hawthorns results?

They won 6 1/2 games out of the last 10. Losing by 3pt to Geelong, 29pts to Richmond and 7pts to Carlton.

They beat Adelaide, Collingwood (we couldn't), Sydney, Freo (by 52pts), North (we couldn't). and the Bulldogs and drew with GWS.

Hawthorn might have played the kids, but they did not tank. 

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

13 minutes ago, ickey_11 said:

Did anyone look at Hawthorns results?

They won 6 1/2 games out of the last 10. Losing by 3pt to Geelong, 29pts to Richmond and 7pts to Carlton.

They beat Adelaide, Collingwood (we couldn't), Sydney, Freo (by 52pts), North (we couldn't). and the Bulldogs and drew with GWS.

Hawthorn might have played the kids, but they did not tank. 

Is just a matter of degrees.  While in the constant pursuit of justice, frustration and the expression of such, often abounds.

[pineapple dee 2,892]

On ‎4‎/‎03‎/‎2018 at 10:53 AM, daisycutter said:

one does wonder why they have an integrity unit

window dressing?

The role of the Integrity Unit, as you should well know Daisy, is to find anyone with a shred of integrity who works for the AFL, and get rid of them. As you can imagine, on that basis , they have little to do.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

5 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I was amused by this.  I read it as meaning that it's not clear what gender Mark Robinson is. Usually the debate is about what his profession or skill set is. This is something new and refreshing. 

Treading on thin ice. In this modern age, assuming or pre-judging anything to do with anyone who may be lesbian, gay, bisexual, transexual, [censored], intersexual, pansexual, or of indeterminate sex ... may infringe on someone's human rights.

Assume nothing. Do not pre-judge. Do not be biased, bigoted, chauvinistic, or anything else that may cause Robbo to feel he is less than worthy as a member of our society. Play it safe and treat Robbo as the one thing everyone of every ethic or creed can come together and agree on: he's a drunken fool.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,105]

On 3/4/2018 at 10:53 AM, daisycutter said:

one does wonder why they have an integrity unit

window dressing?

The folk at AFL house are great lovers of Irony. 

[Macca 17,114]

5 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I was amused by this.  I read it as meaning that it's not clear what gender Mark Robinson is. Usually the debate is about what his profession or skill set is. This is something new and refreshing. 

We might have crossed wires there LDvC and I may have inadvertently cracked a funny re Robbo ... but the mind boggles if he has crossed over to the other side.  I don't even want to imagine it but who knows?

[samcantstandya 1,068]

On Sunday, March 04, 2018 at 1:10 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

We all know about Tanking

The fact that Caroline Wilson went so hard at the MFC and not others was our main problem. 

Her attack was relentless and personal, meanwhile all the other clubs could walk away...

She has a vendetta against us

[deelete my account 1,194]

Perhaps what could fix draft pick tanking is actually the last 4 teams playing off against each other in the later rounds but with handicaps, with 18th obviously having no handicap. Be it points, rotations or whatever.

Edited March 5, 2018 by Doodle Dee

[Ethan Tremblay 31,243]

19 minutes ago, Doodle Dee said:

Perhaps what could fix draft pick tanking is actually the last 4 teams playing off against each other in the later rounds but with handicaps, with 18th obviously having no handicap. Be it points, rotations or whatever.

That could become unfair for the other teams who are yet to play any of the bottom four teams. 

If they were to play towards the end of the normal home and away season how would you be able to fixture this given the bottom four aren’t set at the start of or during the season. 

Edited March 5, 2018 by Ethan Tremblay

[At Least I Saw a Flag 5,315]

8 hours ago, ickey_11 said:

Did anyone look at Hawthorns results?

They won 6 1/2 games out of the last 10. Losing by 3pt to Geelong, 29pts to Richmond and 7pts to Carlton.

They beat Adelaide, Collingwood (we couldn't), Sydney, Freo (by 52pts), North (we couldn't). and the Bulldogs and drew with GWS.

Hawthorn might have played the kids, but they did not tank. 

MFC also lost to Freo