Peter Jackson on SEN 24/10/17

[dees189227 10,808]

PJ according to mfc twitter will be on with the morning glory boys at 7:30. 

Presume watts will come up as well as missing finals and other stuff. 

Would love to hear what he says but I will be at work so would like a report. 

[Sir Why You Little 34,599]

Caller stated that Jordan Lewis “Gave us nothing”

was it someone on here?

[Siren 156]

Listen to Peter Jackson on SEN Breakfast- Tuesday October 24 from SEN Breakfast in Podcasts.

https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/sen-breakfast/id1198117246?mt=2#episodeGuid=10065b0c-d5c0-4942-827ec-942b1fe9e7d0

 

 

[brendan 3,390]

Good interview some of the posters still carrying on like babies about lever and watts deals should have a listen 

[Dee Zephyr 17,691]

Comments by PJ on Watts and Lever have basically been covered by many posters here.

It was interesting to hear we might be looking for new HQ around the CBD and sounds like we might have a home game round 1 against a Victorian club. 

 

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,246]

He also said that the Lever trade was effectively trading for just pick 5 when you account for all the points.

[brendan 3,390]

4 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

He also said that the Lever trade was effectively trading for just pick 5 when you account for all the points.

People can’t get there head around all that so it’s easier to say we overpaid 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Where the whingers @? 

 

[mo64 5,209]

As expected, a fair amount of time spent on the Jack Watts trade. Here are a few points:

• Jack Watts trade - received about 300-400 supporters commplaining before and after the trade. 

• Garry Lyon suggested Goodwin's B&F speech about competitiveness and professionalism alluded to JW. PJ pointed out the young talent on our list, and the need for the senior players to be role models. 

• There was only 1 club seriously interested in him, and that was PA. Geelong's offer would have made the supporters livid. And based on his football record to date, we couldn't expect a 1st round pick.

• We are paying about 15% of his contract over 2 years, which works out to $75,000 per year. Suggested that the deal wouldn't have got done without that.

• Jake Lever's trade equated to giving up pick 5. Mahoney and Viney had been into Lever for a long time.

• Max Gawn expected to re-sign before the season commences, and would put him amongst the highest paid players at the club.

• Looking for a permanent training facility within the CBD. Won't be easy with so many stakeholders involved.

• PJ signed until the end of the 2018, and spoke about the importance of implementing a succession plan.

Someone texted in saying that Lewis was a bust. PJ said that Lewis and Daniel Cross before him, had a huge impact on the levels of professionalism on the training track. The players previously didn't understand what was required.

Audio here: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode/?id=149541

 

[MudDogs Gawn Win.. someday 499]

The club needs to string along Peter Jackson for the next 13 years!

This bloke is a very well articulated man!

[old dee 22,928]

9 hours ago, mo64 said:

As expected, a fair amount of time spent on the Jack Watts trade. Here are a few points:

• Jack Watts trade - received about 300-400 supporters commplaining before and after the trade. 

• Garry Lyon suggested Goodwin's B&F speech about competitiveness and professionalism alluded to JW. PJ pointed out the young talent on our list, and the need for the senior players to be role models. 

• There was only 1 club seriously interested in him, and that was PA. Geelong's offer would have made the supporters livid. And based on his football record to date, we couldn't expect a 1st round pick.

• We are paying about 15% of his contract over 2 years, which works out to $75,000 per year. Suggested that the deal wouldn't have got done without that.

• Jake Lever's trade equated to giving up pick 5. Mahoney and Viney had been into Lever for a long time.

• Max Gawn expected to re-sign before the season commences, and would put him amongst the highest paid players at the club.

• Looking for a permanent training facility within the CBD. Won't be easy with so many stakeholders involved.

• PJ signed until the end of the 2018, and spoke about the importance of implementing a succession plan.

Someone texted in saying that Lewis was a bust. PJ said that Lewis and Daniel Cross before him, had a huge impact on the levels of professionalism on the training track. The players previously didn't understand what was required.

Audio here: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode/?id=149541

 

In that case we are taking a big risk.

We are paying big money for a player who has a poor record for serious injury.

Over the journey he has not shown he is worth being among the top few players pay wise.

[Cards13 9,117]

9 hours ago, mo64 said:

• There was only 1 club seriously interested in him, and that was PA. Geelong's offer would have made the supporters livid. And based on his football record to date, we couldn't expect a 1st round pick.

Nnnoooooo, really?! That is not what others have said on here..... 

[Engorged Onion 9,354]

Just now, Cards13 said:

Nnnoooooo, really?! That is not what others have said on here..... 

ALERT***** ALERT***** ALERT***** fake news from PJ... if it suits your agenda methinks...

Edited October 23, 2017 by Danelska

[praha 10,287]

"Lewis is a bust"

I'm starting to really resent and feel embarrassed for our support base.

[MudDogs Gawn Win.. someday 499]

4 minutes ago, praha said:

"Lewis is a bust"

I'm starting to really resent and feel embarrassed for our support base.

I disagree but his suspension cost us at least 1 win.

[Barney Rubble 1,576]

Interesting about the new HQ.

Docklands is out of the question too much a green field site.

Stake Holders ie Council and State Government has a big say in what is available.

PJ said they are looking for a CBD site close to The "G"

Now unless it is The "G" or a redeevlopment of Yarra Park to incorporate a new training, Gym and Social facility, I cant think of any CBD site close to the "G" that could handle it

[old dee 22,928]

2 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said:

Interesting about the new HQ.

Docklands is out of the question too much a green field site.

Stake Holders ie Council and State Government has a big say in what is available.

PJ said they are looking for a CBD site close to The "G"

Now unless it is The "G" or a redeevlopment of Yarra Park to incorporate a new training, Gym and Social facility, I cant think of any CBD site close to the "G" that could handle it

Richmond are moving out of punt rd and we are moving in.

[Barney Rubble 1,576]

Just now, old dee said:

Richmond are moving out of punt rd and we are moving in.

PIgs are Flying around your area OD

[hardtack 10,127]

1 hour ago, MudDogs Gawn Win.. someday said:

The club needs to string along Peter Jackson for the next 13 years!

This bloke is a very well articulated man!

Maybe he should change his name to Laurie.

[old dee 22,928]

1 minute ago, Barney Rubble said:

PIgs are Flying around your area OD

Yes they are thick here Barney, I am sitting under the desk.

Leaving the jokes aside I think there is a chance that the Pies will move back to Vic. Park.

That would leave us the Yarra site we should have taken a decade ago.

[Barney Rubble 1,576]

1 minute ago, old dee said:

Yes they are thick here Barney, I am sitting under the desk.

Leaving the jokes aside I think there is a chance that the Pies will move back to Vic. Park.

That would leave us the Yarra site we should have taken a decade ago.

Retirement is not doing you much chop OD

You are sounding like me.. No insult intended.

[Its Time for Another 4,054]

1 minute ago, brendan said:

People can’t get there head around all that so it’s easier to say we overpaid 

 

26 minutes ago, brendan said:

Good interview some of the posters still carrying on like babies about lever and watts deals should have a listen 

I'm one of your babies.

Did I want Lever? You bet. That doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on whether we had to give up next year's first rounder to get him or you're a baby.

The net points total for the Lever deal was 2057 which included their pick 36, this is actually closer to pick 4 than 5. If we'd let them keep  pick 36 and given them the Watts pick 31 it would have been 2091. So a better result for the Crows and we would still have had a first rounder in a very strong draft next year and a second rounder in this year's weak draft instead of 3 second rounders. It's actually closer to pick 4 not 5 and using this to justify .

The Crows were desperate for Gibbs. This time Carlton went to them not the other way round because they realised this was the last year they'd get any real value for him as a 29yr old and they had players they wanted to bring in and are rebuilding. Last year they didn't want him to go and so demanded a ridiculous 2 first rounders. This year they initiated the trade so I therefore have no doubt there could have been a three way negotiation so they effectively got what we gave for Lever which I have no doubt wouldn't have required our first rounder next year. 

We are all happy now that we've got Lever but it's going to hurt next year when we don't have a first rounder in a top draft and that could have been avoided.  

[old dee 22,928]

2 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said:

Retirement is not doing you much chop OD

You are sounding like me.. No insult intended.

That is a compliment Barney.

Thank you.

Actually I am really enjoy it Barney.

 

[daisycutter 28,598]

16 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said:

Interesting about the new HQ.

Docklands is out of the question too much a green field site.

Stake Holders ie Council and State Government has a big say in what is available.

PJ said they are looking for a CBD site close to The "G"

Now unless it is The "G" or a redeevlopment of Yarra Park to incorporate a new training, Gym and Social facility, I cant think of any CBD site close to the "G" that could handle it

fitzroy gardens would do, barney 

[Demons1858 1,662]

Watts deal was fine, picks 31 will do as there was only 1 suitor and I am happy to clear some salary cap space for the talented but also committed youngsters we have on our list.

Jordan Lewis question was idiotic. 3rd in the B&F and helped us when Viney and Jones were missing.

Lever on the other hand. Should we be surprised that PJ agrees with the list mgmt team? Of course not. Points system is a guide at best.

Perceived market value isn't the only consideration in a negotiation anyway. In negotiations you assess weaknesses in the other party's hand and also where you can find middle ground. The weakness in Adelaide's hand were significant as he was an uncontracted players who was willing to go into the draft and put a price on his head to get to MFC.  The points system doesn't account for that and lots of other things. And no Lever was never going to nominate an alternative team is we held our nerve - no player I can recall has ever buckled like that other than Mitch Clarke when he changed from Freo to Melb. I'm still happy we got Lever but we should have got him for a little less as it may bite us a iittle next year when we haven't got a 1st rounder to trade for an established player to fill any holes that emerge through form or injury