POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 16

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

I'd forgotten about Hunts disallowed goal after all that. It was just a sublime effort to get to the spot where he kicked....I guess he maybe ran 1 step too far, but gee it wasn't much. If we had of lost it would have been a much spoken about topic..

[dees189227 10,808]

Of course forgot to add Lewis kicking the goal after the siren was fantastic and just a nice little touch for carlton fans. 

[Dr. Gonzo 22,501]

40 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Isn't ANB becoming a handy little player?

I thought his mate Stretch was leaving him behind last year and now it is the opposite.

He runs to the right spots, works hard, has aggression and confidence and thinks he can do more than he can (which is healthy for a young player).

Looks like he is putting his hand up to stick around when the cavalry comes back to the line.

 

Only 21 as well, he's never gonna be a game breaker but he's developing into a handy reliable player.

[Nasher 33,080]

2 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

I'd forgotten about Hunts disallowed goal after all that. It was just a sublime effort to get to the spot where he kicked....I guess he maybe ran 1 step too far, but gee it wasn't much. If we had of lost it would have been a much spoken about topic..

Was probably the right call, but jeez that was a disappointing moment.  Was great to see him really using the jets in the last quarter though.  Such an exciting player.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,586]

11 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I didn't see it that way at all.  No doubt the match was a grind and about as far away from aesthetically pleasing as we've seen, but there were some bloody epic moments in it, borne out of a game that was a genuine contest.  Lots of character and guts were required to win, and the team delivered.  

There's been a few of those "we were [censored], they were worse" games in the last few years, but I don't rank this as one of them myself.  

Agreed, I think it was a case of Carlton Vs MFC B Side, in some ways, but it was  generally a good standard game.  They played well today, I don't think we played our best, but we obviously played well enough to walk away with the 4 points on the day, which was a fair achievement from tines gone by, so I do rate this win.

Edited July 9, 2017 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,586]

I don't really like admiring the opposition, but Casbolt was pretty bloody awsome for three quarters today and that SOS Jnr looks like a splitting image of his old man cosmeticly and in terms of ability (unfortunately).

[Deestroy All 14,262]

8 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Not sure why everyone's so down about Lewis' performance too.  He made one notable cockup in the heat of the moment in the first quarter (the kick that fell short of Melksham at HF) but other than that, I thought he stepped up as support for Oliver in the way we needed him to.  He was a battering ram in the middle of the field and won his share of contested ball.  His play at the end, which had the double benefit of running down the clock and taking the heat off a junior player was a critical example of using experience to the betterment of the team.  I thought he was great and in our top couple.

I still think too many people see a player do one or two poor things and let it colour their view of the match as a whole.

There was also the holding the ball at a crucial moment (high tackle maybe but shouldn't have got to that point) when he had about 17 options to choose from and 5 minutes to decide. 

 

Completely agree with your thoughts on the game though. 

[Deemented Are Go! 3,602]

8 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Sorry if it's been said on the forum already tonight, but Calscum were into Lewis from before the first bounce... look who had the last laugh in the game.

Many were calling for Lewis to stand up before today.  While I think he's proved his worth a few times before now, I think he well and truly did his job today.  Perhaps it's because it's because he's from Hawthorn that MFC supporters don't like him (to which I can empathise) but he is well and truly one of ours now, was one of our best players today and I'm very glad Lewey was singing "It's a Grand Old Flag" tonight, because without him I don't think we would have.

GO DEMONS

I agree, Balls. Just watched the game now and sure, he made a few shockers, but his inside work was pretty good I thought. Most of all, he took the knock; bore the brunt of Carlton's aggro all day long. 

Vince was poor, but I loved his 'throw something at ya' move while manning the mark with a Carlton fella (?) lining up for goal in the 2nd and kicked it out on the full! Seemed instrumental in the dying minutes though. 

Great grinding win given the circumstances and sets us up beautifully for a solid run to the finals. 

CARN DEES!

[leave it to deever 15,734]

2 hours ago, Pates said:

Hogan has played enough games and will be better for the run, I would've been happy for him to return through the VFL if that was his choice but he's a gun and will do better from getting the pace of AFL back in his system. 

I think it was a good move playing him further up the ground, got him more involved in the play even if he wasn't particularly great. Make him a true CHF for a while, play Pedders as a second forward and then when it looks like he's got his mojo back swap them around. 

As talented as he is,  the modern game is very hard to get back into full swing after more than 6 games out. The old days of  people Tony Lockett coming in after 6 games out and kicking a bag have long gone. Gawn is still struggling after 3 seniors games. Poor Jesse couldn't even tap to a player (on the boundary line) in the last qrt. Jesse will do better but it may take him a couple more.

Agreed about him at CHF.... good call as Jesse is very much a confidence player. I get the feeling he gets down on himself when not involved in a game so a spell on the ball does him good.Its water under the bridge and we are better off in playing him as next week he will improve. Moving forward we are at the right end of the season for him to hit some form. Poor blokes been out more than in, this year. I'm worried about Jones and Viney being out of shape towards the business end of the season but we are top four and Im stoked.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

2 minutes ago, Deestroy All said:

There was also the holding the ball at a crucial moment (high tackle maybe but shouldn't have got to that point) when he had about 17 options to choose from and 5 minutes to decide. 

That situation was made even worse by the fact that Lewis ducked when tackled.

[Dee Zephyr 17,697]

1 hour ago, faultydet said:

Very serious.

He was Johnny on the spot for 1 of the goals, the other was not bad granted.

But, he turns the ball over FAR too often, and is below par when defending an opponent side by side. he has played much better games than today.

Salem cant come back quick enough for me.

Agree on Salem and let's also agree that we both watched a different game.

These are the players that had less turnovers than Wagner today.

Pedersen- 10 disposals, 0 turnovers.

Harmes - 19 disposals, 1 turnover .

Hogan- 10 disposals, 1 turnover.

Garlett - 7 disposals, 1 turnover.

Gawn- 8 disposals, 1 turnover.

Wagner- 18 disposals at 78% efficiency.

 Turnovers - 2. That's hardly FAR too often.

 

Edited July 9, 2017 by Demon77

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,177]

10 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

I don't really like admiring the opposition, but Casbolt was pretty bloody awsome for three quarters today and that SOS Jnr looks like a splitting image of his old man cosmeticly and in terms of ability (unfortunately).

FWIW I was thinking his face looks identical to Jo Bailey's.

Dad's hair, long sleeved jumper and number- mum's face.

[Willmoy1947 3,790]

1 hour ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Which is totally amazing given some of his kicks out of the back line!!!

I reckon it's because the Goal posts don't move , the players used to move all the time, a lot easier......

[Dr. Gonzo 22,501]

2 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

FWIW I was thinking his face looks identical to Jo Bailey's.

Dad's hair, long sleeved jumper and number- mum's face.

Dad's goal sense though

[Nasher 33,080]

3 hours ago, Monocology said:

RIP debate over Dean Kent. 

It's as open as ever IMO.  Possible Watts and Tyson will return next week - if that happens, Kent is one of the most vulnerable.

[KLV 1,653]

9 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

FWIW I was thinking his face looks identical to Jo Bailey's.

Dad's hair, long sleeved jumper and number- mum's face.

Yes, mums face 100%

[Skuit 9,239]

2 hours ago, Webber said:

I hope I don't regret saying this, but TMac is the 'straightest' kick for goal I've seen in years. No curve, fade, or slice, he basically splits the middle off the boot almost (have to put that in to avoid the moz) every time. With Watts, easily the best kicks for goal at the club. 

I've maintained for a while that Tmac wasn't such a bad kick per se but has problems with measuring the trajectory of a moving target. Most of his infamous clangers off half-back aren't shanks but look like perfect kicks - as if pin-pointed directly to a lone opposition. Probably why they are so aggravating.

And it's never been just the obvious clangers that I've found infuriating, but his constant putting the ball into space in the vague vicinity of a player on the switch. The few seconds to collect the loose ball can make a massive difference (Melksham did the same today, which led to the failed effort from Jetta to take on the tackler in the middle).

But the goal-posts don't move. And middling in their vicinity works a treat.

[shorty 233]

Some of you Wagner hater's must watch a different game, The guys had 18 disp@78% efficient, 2 goals only 2 turnovers. Harsh critic's

[DemonOX 8,541]

1 minute ago, Nasher said:

Not sure I should be surprised, but many Carlton fans are blaming the umpiring.  What?!

That's Hilarious. 

[monoccular 16,146]

2 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

As much as these injuries are hurting us they're also making us stronger. Players able to play multiple roles, playing as a team with a never say die attitude.

 

Without the absence of Jesse, we would never have had to move Tommy forward, and would be tossing up between him, his bro and Frost.  The move has allowed all three to blossom  

Perhaps a blessing in (very deep) disguise. 

Seemed to work in well with Jesse this week ie making space for each other and making defenders separate.    Haven't seen that with 2 big forwards for a long time - they usually get in each other's way.  

2 hours ago, Pates said:

I think Vince should be dropped. The club has taken a hard nosed policy in the past with various players, Vince is a leader but is having a very poor year. He started well, but then he copped the toe injury. I'm not sure if it's a hangover effect from it but he's been making a lot of bad decisions which has nothing to do with his toe. 

Stretch as well could benefit from the VFL time, he's been up and down this year playing some very good games but some very poor ones. This was certainly seems to fall into the latter. 

Vince made a few very poor decisions creating costly turnovers.

Failed to provide leadership when needed.

No longer in my top 22. 

[danielE288 596]

1 minute ago, shorty said:

Some of you Wagner hater's must watch a different game, The guys had 18 disp@78% efficient, 2 goals only 2 turnovers. Harsh critic's

Watching the replay and Wagner had a good game imo.

[grey wolf 226]

Between white clouds from inhaling my cheroot I watched a game of footy on the telly here in my rainforest today. It was an epic battle with Melbourne wounded from previous weeks and Carlton down two at half time but this .... yes this was a game of real footy. At one point in the last quarter the ball was on the ground on the wing and six blokes were too stuffed to bend over and pick it up. I love tough footy. I love ugly contested footy. You know I think I'm loving these new dees. By my cheroot they're as tough as teddy whitten and the Ronald dale and the jimmy Stynes. I cant get enough of them. And that Jordan Lewis and Bernie vince my sweet smoke don't they make all those young fellas walk tall. Sure they make some mistakes but because they take chances and tutor these impressionable like Oliver petracca hannan anb.  Not to mention the bloke the silk the Neville. For those who want to drop smith and Kent and stretch understand that playing one week with Bernie and Jordie and nev is worth thirty games for Casey. Let's beat the crows ugly..after the siren.. and no changes Tyson watts et al can earn their re entry through Casey... and only if Casey win... and leave Wagner to learn from Bernie and Jordie...

Edited July 9, 2017 by grey wolf

[waynewussell 4,092]

Wagner did nothing more than was obvious from his first pre-season game. Those that don't rate him were blind then and are blind now! Bernie Vince does a dozen important team things for every turnover. He is a creator, and creators sometimes expect too much, but to question his worth to this young team borders on footy ignorance.

[jnrmac 19,076]

4 hours ago, Monocology said:

RIP debate over Dean Kent. 

Yep, he's done, Trade bait.

[Deestroy All 14,262]

How's about Petracca's composure and vision and execution to hit ANB in the last minute. Kid has matrix time and RoboCop vision.