POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 15

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

All the wailing pessimists need to listen to Goody on SEN right now. 

We're in good hands.

If you have a little time, could you possibly give a few of the main points of the interview?  Cheers.

[xarronn 380]

11 hours ago, Stevienic23 said:

Says this on the stats sheet too.

We absolutely have excuses and im really not having a go. Just calling a spade a spade. 

I notice no 'Likes' for your reply backing up your earlier statement Steve. What you have said is a fact. Apart from the score line it was like a game which we could/would/should have lost by a much larger amount, (arbitrarily - up to the 15 goals which you said).

We were really outplayed, with perhaps 10 minutes out of the 100, when we were on top in general play. Because of their inaccuracy, I think most of us held hopes until early in the last quarter that we might fight back and make it a closer game at least. But if they had kicked more accurately from the start, all hope would have evaporated by mid 2nd quarter.

These games happen, and all the reasons why this happened to us have been pretty fully explored in previous posts. Most certainly it was not for lack of effort. (Allowing for the the impact of the successive 6 day breaks).

On another matter, one post stated that last night showed Pedersen, amongst several others, wasn't up to it. I think most serious football watchers know that when a team is overwhelmed, many fringe, (and other), players will look poor. Hunt and Oliver were amongst those yesterday. No one would suggest they are not AFL standard.

How then does Peder's get dissed like this having proven himself for about 10 weeks, - after one poor game in a team that was statistically thrashed?

 

[buck_nekkid 5,839]

1 minute ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

All the wailing pessimists need to listen to Goody on SEN right now. 

We're in good hands.

Could you please share you thoughts or highlights?

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,762]

1 hour ago, Luther said:

We had some pretty questionable frees go our way too. The umps were poor full stop, and certainly contributed to making it an ugly display of footy.

This is exactly how I saw it. The umpiring was so unpredictable. So many unrewarded tackles on both sides of the ledger.

Edited July 1, 2017 by WAClark
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[Deemented Are Go! 3,677]

5 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

If you have a little time, could you possibly give a few of the main points of the interview?  Cheers.

- Hinted that (obviously) it was our physical state that hurt us last night. 

- Gave the players a big wrap for winning the 4 in a row in tough circumstances (injuries, fixturing)

- Solid re: Bugg hit. Unacceptable, not the image we want, etc. But also finished with saying he's a good kid who [censored] up.

- Maintained upside for the season without using the 'F' word. Said its ok to embrace a bit of the expectation that comes with more success. 

He speaks as though he's in complete control; calm, measured and realistic. 

 

Edit: worth noting all presenters (Huddo, Dermie, King) agreed last night didn't change their outlook on MFC. I think its universally accepted we've been cruelled by circumstance. 

Edited July 1, 2017 by Deemented Are Go!

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, Deemented Are Go! said:

- Hinted that (obviously) it was our physical state that hurt us last night. 

- Gave the players a big wrap for winning the 4 in a row in tough circumstances (injuries, fixturing)

- Solid re: Bugg hit. Unacceptable, not the image we want, etc. But also finished with saying he's a good kid who [censored] up.

- Maintained upside for the season without using the 'F' word. Said its ok to embrace a bit of the expectation that comes with more success. 

He speaks as though he's in complete control; calm, measured and realistic. 

 

Thanks for that, much appreciated.

Fully agree with your last comment - Goody never seems to lose his call, he knows where we are headed and how we need to get there.  We are most definitely in good hands!

[Coq au vin 755]

21 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Well, we just 4 on the trot and your response to our first loss is utter despondence.

We have injuries, but can we fashion a forward line out of spare parts to kick a winning score? 

Done that.

Can we lose a huge plank of our stoppage work and still get enough footy to average over 50 entries forward?

Yeah, we did that for a couple months.

Footy is never easy and yes we look to be without Salem, Jones, and Viney for a month, and Watts and/or Garlett for one or two more weeks, but we are 8 and 6 and in a great spot to not look for nihilistic excuses to be despondent about watching footy in the last 2 months of the season.

It wasn't just a loss. It was annihilation. They could easily have kicked 10-15 more goals. Their inaccuracy made us look a heap better.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

6 minutes ago, Diamond said:

It wasn't just a loss. It was annihilation. They could easily have kicked 10-15 more goals. Their inaccuracy made us look a heap better.

So one loss and a few injuries can totally wipe away 4 wins on the trot?  Don't be silly.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,674]

46 minutes ago, Demon77 said:

The more I think about it, the more it irks me. 

Apart from GWS and we know the talent pool they have been gifted, no other team would have gone close to the Swans last night under these circumstances. In saying that I don't think GWS have gone through a patch like we have anyway. 

Our players are dropping like flies and from what I read, our training loads have been minimised to compensate for this tough month. 

Now, I sit comfortably in saying, that for the first time  ever I couldn't care less if players last night went in half hearted or without the required effort. Enough is enough and the boys have been exceptional with winning 3 from the last 4.

I don't blame one single person from the MFC last night for the loss and even if Trengove, JKH, Weed or Kent had played,   the result would be exactly the 

 

This irritated me all week and you could tell in the first 10 minutes we had no spread, no forward defensive pressure and impetous to generate run off half back this can not be tolerated by this football club. Sydney knew to play the wings coz we had no run in our legs it was so evident complete and utter disgrace.

I hope we recover but this has potentially destroyed our season why did we have to play our only Friday Night Games on a 6 day break returning from Perth? why not put us up against a Brisbane or Carlton on a Sunday coming back from Perth. All because of corporate GREED and proping up  Sydney market where all the money is, shame shame shame.

[poita 3,889]

Notwithstanding our injury list and the effects of consecutive short turnarounds, that was a dreadful effort. So many players just can't handle the pressure of the big occasion against quality opposition. I thought our coaches had a poor game as well.

We've had a very good month given some trying circumstances. We have to bounce back with a win against Carlton, otherwise we risk going on a lengthy losing streak. Hopefully we get a few players back and a few guys putting their hands up at Casey today.

White - haven't seen a player so far out of his depth since Isaac Weetra. A career killing performance.

Wagner - typical Wagner game, horrid decision making, terrible disposal and half hearted defensive efforts. Not AFL standard.

Lewis - lazy and complete lacking in leadership. Stays only because there is no depth at Casey

Melksham - aside from one fantastic goal, soft and fumbly. Will always be a liability in big games.

Bugg - there is nothing worse than talking the talk, and failing so pitifully to walk the walk. Enjoy your holiday, hopefully without pay.

Harmes - thought the game would suit, but he was basically invisible. Should have been put in the middle at some point.

Neal-Bullen - he's had his chance, and just not up to it. Time to try someone else.

Stretch - worst game I've seen him play. No appetite for the contest.

Oliver - looked tired and had no effect when the game was in the balance. Has had a great year, so is excused.

Hunt - see Oliver.

Gawn - Sydney were in his head from early on. Soldiered on but had no effect. Should he have played given the short turnaround?

Tyson - indecisive and ineffective.

Vince - continued his steady decline.

Pedersen - no impact. Should have been sent back once he struggled up forward.

Otherwise Viney was our best player, despite only playing half a game. Tom McDonald battled hard. Hannan at least put his body on the line. Petracca's three notable contributions were three more than most of his teammates. Oscar & Frost kept trying despite no midfield support. Hibberd got plenty of football, but didn't use it well. Jetta made some bad errors that almost overshadowed his ample good work.

 

 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,674]

21 minutes ago, xarronn said:

I notice no 'Likes' for your reply backing up your earlier statement Steve. What you have said is a fact. Apart from the score line it was like a game which we could/would/should have lost by a much larger amount, (arbitrarily - up to the 15 goals which you said).

We were really outplayed, with perhaps 10 minutes out of the 100, when we were on top in general play. Because of their inaccuracy, I think most of us held hopes until early in the last quarter that we might fight back and make it a closer game at least. But if they had kicked more accurately from the start, all hope would have evaporated by mid 2nd quarter.

These games happen, and all the reasons why this happened to us have been pretty fully explored in previous posts. Most certainly it was not for lack of effort. (Allowing for the the impact of the successive 6 day breaks).

On another matter, one post stated that last night showed Pedersen, amongst several others, wasn't up to it. I think most serious football watchers know that when a team is overwhelmed, many fringe, (and other), players will look poor. Hunt and Oliver were amongst those yesterday. No one would suggest they are not AFL standard.

How then does Peder's get dissed like this having proven himself for about 10 weeks, - after one poor game in a team that was statistically thrashed?

 

It should have been 100 pts, but you think it was an even playing field???????AFL ✔✔✔✔✔✔

[Nasher 33,607]

31 minutes ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

All the wailing pessimists need to listen to Goody on SEN right now. 

We're in good hands.

Summary?

[xarronn 380]

5 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

It should have been 100 pts, but you think it was an even playing field???????AFL ✔✔✔✔✔✔

Did i say an even playing field?

Did you not read this? "These games happen, and all the reasons why this happened to us have been pretty fully explored in previous posts."

So what are you on about?

[Deemented Are Go! 3,677]

Just now, Nasher said:

Summary?

See above

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,755]

1 hour ago, Win4theAges said:

AFL Scheduling has put us in this position, find me a club that has this grueling draw disgrace I hope Ox, KB and all the media identities jump all over this because this was not a fair representation of the body of work we have produced this year. What Gets me is they put us up against a well rested and experienced outfit not even sydney could cope with one 6 day break against Essendon but its ok that Melbourne have three 6 day breaks in a row this can not be allowed to happen again. Shame on the AFL have destroyed our top 4 hopes and hanging on to top 8 by a thread.

I don't like making excuses, but with the consistency of effort and intensity I have seen from our boys over the majority of this season, I'm ok with puting down last night as an anonomly with a number of mitigating factors.

The scoreboard was probably kinder to us than flow of the game dictated.  But I'm at least happy that I don't think the side threw in the towel or dropped their bundle.  What could have been easily a 60 - 80 point hiding was kept under control by good performance by our defense and the rest of the team doing it's best in the circumstances.  Probably still should have lost by 50 points, but Sydney's poor goal kicking let us out off a bit there.

[Nasher 33,607]

2 minutes ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

See above

Apologies, missed it.  Thanks for the summary.

[titan_uranus 24,959]

43 minutes ago, Diamond said:

It wasn't just a loss. It was annihilation. They could easily have kicked 10-15 more goals. Their inaccuracy made us look a heap better.

The second quarter was the "annihilation".

After half time it wasn't that bad, not that we ever really looked like getting back into it.

31 minutes ago, poita said:

Notwithstanding our injury list and the effects of consecutive short turnarounds, that was a dreadful effort. So many players just can't handle the pressure of the big occasion against quality opposition. I thought our coaches had a poor game as well.

I don't know how you can conclude that it was a "dreadful effort" despite the injuries and the short turnarounds.

It seems obvious to most, if not all, that we were cooked from the start. It's therefore not surprising that we were second to contests and our general enthusiasm and "zip" were missing.

As to "big occasions", we led Richmond for 3.5 quarters in front of 85,000 and only lost because of injuries, and we beat Collingwood in a tense game in front of 70,000. 

As to "quality opposition", we've beaten Adelaide in Adelaide, West Coast in Perth and the Dogs at Etihad. 

Let's not re-write the season based on one poor performance.

[dees189227 12,344]

1 hour ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

All the wailing pessimists need to listen to Goody on SEN right now. 

We're in good hands.

Agree just listened to him. We have a calm coach who will work hard to get us through this period of injuries and short turn arounds.

One thing he did say was he didn't see the bugg hit until after the game and in hindsight he should have spoken to Bugg about it during the game to help him get is focus back onto the game and dealt with it sooner. 

[Deemented Are Go! 3,677]

Just now, dees189227 said:

Agree just listened to him. We have a calm coach who will work hard to get us through this period of injuries and short turn arounds.

One thing he did say was he didn't see the bugg hit until after the game and in hindsight he should have spoken to Bugg about it during the game to help him get is focus back onto the game and dealt with it sooner. 

Oh, missed that bit. Just heard the presenters commending him for not just saying "I havent seen it yet" during his post-game presser.

[Jaded No More 68,819]

I don't feel any less optimistic or excited about the trajectory of the team after last night. We are missing 6 of our best 10 players and we are physically stuffed. 

The AFL [censored] us good with the draw. Fuming! 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,674]

56 minutes ago, xarronn said:

Did i say an even playing field?

Did you not read this? "These games happen, and all the reasons why this happened to us have been pretty fully explored in previous posts."

So what are you on about?

I think you missed my point if they'd have kicked straight it would have been 100 pts thanks.

[Sir Why You Little 36,859]

13 hours ago, Watts the matter said:

"It wasn't my genuine intent" "it looks really bad"

Please....I'd rather he say nothing, clearly Mills didn't want to hear it, why does anyone else have to? 

Why did it require a public apology, especially prior to giving Mills a genuine personal one. Should have let the dust settle and then tried to contact Mills.

 

No. A public apology was needed otherwise the Media would be in a frenzy for 2-3 days

Tom can catch up with Mills today or tomorrow quietly. 

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

Any comment on Viney, Tyson and Tommy Mac?

[Dee Dee 1,105]

White and Wagner were simply not up to it: 4/5 years ago they would have been best 22, so we have come a long way but unfortunately our depth is still too shallow. 

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

1 minute ago, Vogon Poetry said:

Any comment on Viney, Tyson and Tommy Mac?

Just saw a report on fox, Viney had scans, results later today, Tyson couldn't even drive his car this morning, hurt his knee in the last 30 seconds, FMD!