Changes v Carlton

[Gorgoroth 12,950]

16 minutes ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

AFL match preview predicts Carlton by 20 points.....

Only 20....

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

20 minutes ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

AFL match preview predicts Carlton by 20 points.....

A week ago we were a genuine premiership contender, now this^^^^^

[whatwhat say what 22,756]

i agree tho - they should win by 20+ points

we are severely struck by injury - our entire game plan is built around winning the contested ball and three of our four best at that are missing, and the other is 19 years old

carlton's strength is thru the middle, with kreuzer regularly beating gawn in recent match ups

garlett is our leading goalkicker and salem our best distributor

we're in all sorts

mfcss well and truly believing the nsc will get us every time!

 

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,734]

24 minutes ago, GawnWithTheWind said:

Ins: Hogan, Garlett, Kent 

Outs: Viney, Bugg, White

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FB: Jetta - Frost - TMAC

HB: Hunt - Oscar - Hibbo

C: Stretch - Lewis - Vince

HF: Kent - Pedo - Trac

FF: Garlett - Hogan - Hannan

R: Gawn - Tyson - Oliver

I: Harmes, ANB, Wagner, Melksham

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Its not a completely horrible team....

Fingers crossed that is the team!

Could be Tyson also out, in which case I think Trengove or Maynard should come in.

[kieranbj 111]

I am having horrible thoughts that Viney, Tyson, Frost and of course Bugg are all out and none of the injured players get up to replace them.

Looking at something like

Out: Viney, Tyson, Bugg, Frost

In: Weideman, Trengove, JKH, Kent

yikes. 

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[brendan 3,437]

With all our outs I will be genuinely shocked if we win this week, even more so if we win 2 of our next 4 

[rpfc 28,430]

If we keep the attacking and daring mindset - we have enough cattle to beat Carlton.

Their midfield will win footy but we don't rely on that and if we are ferocious with our pressure we will win more than enough footy to kick a winning score.

[bandicoot 1,395]

12 minutes ago, Scythe said:

 

Have a feeling hogan will be in this week. Will want to stand up and help his mates. 

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,734]

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2017-07-04/blues-or-dees-whose-kids-are-better

Interesting little video.

I don't know how anyone could possibly think the Blues young guys are better than ours?

I think they have got some good potential, but they are seriously carried by their star studded older mids in Murphy, Gibbs & Kreuzer. 

[Red and Blue realist 2,051]

28 minutes ago, rpfc said:

If we keep the attacking and daring mindset - we have enough cattle to beat Carlton.

Their midfield will win footy but we don't rely on that and if we are ferocious with our pressure we will win more than enough footy to kick a winning score.

The win this week is all about the half backs. Our half backs - including Hunt, Hibberd, Frost, TMac, Jetta and Vince/Lewis need to use the ball smartly and don't just turn it over to Docherty and Simpson (who are really good players) and provide their rebounding. If we can get the ball deeper and quicker to Hoges, Peds, Garlett or whoever might be there, then their main defensive structure is taken out of play and we'll have the chance to score or at least lock the ball in. If we just bomb the ball to 40-80 meters out from our goal then I think we'll not only get beaten in the middle but also play into their hands.

Last time we played them they really flooded the backline and made it hard to score (but never really looked like scoring themselves). Now there playing better and with more freedom we need to take out what has been their strengths.

I'd bring Kent in for Bugg, and tell him he needs to either be in the middle to take the ball from the half backs ass they come out (so not caught in the 40m-80m area) or when the ball is in the fwd 50, if he is unable to directly impact the play go and stand right next to Simpson or Doc and stop their easy get out.   

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,828]

1 hour ago, GawnWithTheWind said:

Ins: Hogan, Garlett, Kent 

Outs: Viney, Bugg, White

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FB: Jetta - Frost - TMAC

HB: Hunt - Oscar - Hibbo

C: Stretch - Lewis - Vince

HF: Kent - Pedo - Trac

FF: Garlett - Hogan - Hannan

R: Gawn - Tyson - Oliver

I: Harmes, ANB, Wagner, Melksham

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Its not a completely horrible team....

Not at all and it would certainly be a side capable of beating the third worst side in the league.

That's a very good defense on paper.

 

[Lucifers Hero 39,805]

Jones ""...said Hogan was a strong chance to line up against Carlton this week after recovering from surgery to remove a testicular tumour while Jeff Garlett and forgotten man Jack Trengove would also come under serious consideration. A cloud still remains over Jack Watts' availability".

WOW!  To have Hogan, Garlett and Trengove in the team this week would be huge.  How good would that be to see them on the G again.  Warms the heart!

Big advantages for the team to see them in.  Even if Hogan has a 'quiet' game he would take a key defender.  Garlett will keep the likes of Dogherty on his toes.  Trengove would give some protection for Oliver as he will be exposed to opposition roughing up with most of mid-field out. 

Assuming our skipper is not kidding us (would be cruel to do so):

Ins:  Hogan, Garlett, Trengove

Out: Viney, White, Bugg,

Edit:  Smiling Jesse and Jeffy in these training pics.  Must be a sign.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2017-07-04/photo-gallery-tuesday-july-4

Edited July 4, 2017 by Lucifer's Hero

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,702]

If Goodwin is the coach I think he is he will not allow Carlton to play loose in defence and drag Simpson and Docherty as close to goal and make them actually defend. Not let those two mentioned taking the 2nd kick off half back otherwise they will murder us with their run and delivery.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, Win4theAges said:

If Goodwin is the coach I think he is he will not allow Carlton to play loose in defence and drag Simpson and Docherty as close to goal and make them actually defend. Not let those two mentioned taking the 2nd kick off half back otherwise they will murder us with their run and delivery.

If?  Who else would be the coach?  Is 'Swooper' Northey making a comeback just for this round?

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

It's impossible for us to pick the ins and outs this week because of so many injured players - Garlett, Hogan, Watts and Tyson all unknown.

But my philosophy would be to risk nobody in this game but play best available.  The following week against Adelaide I'd rest Oliver, Hunt, ANB, Harmes, Gawn Hibberd and anyone else who is sore.  With our outs Adelaide in Darwin is almost unwinnable and taking tired players up there significantly reduces our chances of winning the following week and risks injury to tired bodies.

We need to focus on the back end of the season starting with the PA game with an improving list and players who aren't spent.

The commercial risk is of course the NT Government is a significant sponsor.  This approach would not please them.

[leave it to deever 17,511]

23 hours ago, Jaded said:

Not sure how you can blame Mission and the fitness department. Not his fault the AFL crucified us with 4 weeks of short breaks plus the biggest road trip in footy. 

Short of literally pulling players out of matches, what could he have done? 

We had a light training load for this period of time, but our game style combined with these short breaks, is something he can't control. 

Plus Viney's injury seems to be a recurrence, rather than something new, and Tyson is an impact injury. 

It was 4 weeks of tough games too. A big Monday blockbuster, last years premiers and runners up and the icing on top a nice trip across the country. Well done AFL.

Prior to our injuries we have proved this year that we can beat the best of them and even some with a few outs.

 I so hope we make the 8 and have a full compliment so as too smash them in Sep/OCT.

Edited July 4, 2017 by leave it to deever

[MudDogs Gawn Win.. someday 499]

2 hours ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

Fingers crossed that is the team!

Could be Tyson also out, in which case I think Trengove or Maynard should come in.

Maynard is on the rookie list. They would have to elevate him.

[Demons11 7,014]

1 hour ago, Vogon Poetry said:

It's impossible for us to pick the ins and outs this week because of so many injured players - Garlett, Hogan, Watts and Tyson all unknown.

But my philosophy would be to risk nobody in this game but play best available.  The following week against Adelaide I'd rest Oliver, Hunt, ANB, Harmes, Gawn Hibberd and anyone else who is sore.  With our outs Adelaide in Darwin is almost unwinnable and taking tired players up there significantly reduces our chances of winning the following week and risks injury to tired bodies.

We need to focus on the back end of the season starting with the PA game with an improving list and players who aren't spent.

The commercial risk is of course the NT Government is a significant sponsor.  This approach would not please them.

This is the dumbest thing I have heard.  Rest 6 players because you think they can't win.  The club would go into every game thinking they can win and you don't throw games 

[Diamond_Jim 12,588]

1 hour ago, Vogon Poetry said:

It's impossible for us to pick the ins and outs this week because of so many injured players - Garlett, Hogan, Watts and Tyson all unknown.

But my philosophy would be to risk nobody in this game but play best available.  The following week against Adelaide I'd rest Oliver, Hunt, ANB, Harmes, Gawn Hibberd and anyone else who is sore.  With our outs Adelaide in Darwin is almost unwinnable and taking tired players up there significantly reduces our chances of winning the following week and risks injury to tired bodies.

We need to focus on the back end of the season starting with the PA game with an improving list and players who aren't spent.

The commercial risk is of course the NT Government is a significant sponsor.  This approach would not please them.

Big call but I see where you are coming from.

Assuming (big assumption) that we beat Carlton I agree. If not we need to snag a win against one of GWS, Port or Adelaide and therefore the Darwin game becomes more important.

#let's dump Darwin

[Diamond_Jim 12,588]

3 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

This is the dumbest thing I have heard.  Rest 6 players because you think they can't win.  The club would go into every game thinking they can win and you don't throw games 

why is it dumb... EPL teams do it all the time

It is part of list management. If it makes sense from a physiological viewpoint let's do it

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,294]

We will need some height in the forwardline as Carlton have been flooding big time, making it hard for the smalls.....  let's hope Jesse gets up,  otherwise TMac will have to play forward. Weed may get a gig too if Jesse is not ready 

[Diamond_Jim 12,588]

Just now, Hell Bent said:

We will need some height in the forwardline as Carlton have been flooding big time, making it hard for the smalls.....  let's hope Jesse gets up,  otherwise TMac will have to play forward. Weed may get a gig too if Jesse is not ready 

If Weed had a good game against Port then there might be a chance but he had about 4 kicks in the VFL with two marks.

Sure delivery was not stellar but he needs time.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,702]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

If?  Who else would be the coach?  Is 'Swooper' Northey making a comeback just for this round?

very funny WB?

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,294]

Just now, Diamond_Jim said:

If Weed had a good game against Port then there might be a chance but he had about 4 kicks in the VFL with two marks.

Sure delivery was not stellar but he needs time.

Agree he is not ready DJ,  but if we go in with a short forward line and bomb it long which we will be prone to do with an undermanned midfield , we will be stuffed !