Changes v Sydney Swans

[Redleg 42,049]

9 hours ago, shorty said:

Not sure who else comes out but what is promising 8/22  on Sat had not played 35 games.

That bodes well for our future. 

[Gator 18,018]

21 hours ago, Grapeviney said:

My mail is that Watts won't play. 

With Watts now a confirmed out this is what I call "good mail". 

 

[whatwhat say what 23,644]

Watts, Garlett, Hogan and Salem all confirmed as not playing Friday

Bummer!

[praha 11,253]

JKH and Wagner in? How's Kennedy tracking in VFL? 

[rjay 25,355]

13 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

Watts, Garlett, Hogan and Salem all confirmed as not playing Friday

Bummer!

 

8 minutes ago, praha said:

JKH and Wagner in? How's Kennedy tracking in VFL? 

Like for like would see Wagner in for Salem and more likely Kent for Garlett...

JKH is not a small forward and whilst I'm not a Kent fan his pace around the forward half would be an advantage if he's switched on.

For JKH to come in he needs a midfield rotation, maybe another option is to use Billy more as a forward and Jay in the mid mix.

[HBDee 376]

OMac can't go with Buddy and although Frost has the speed, I don't think he yet has the ability to go with Buddy either. For mine that means TMac goes back to Buddy. O'Mac to Reid and then Frost can play small given his pace.

Sydney have a relatively short and quick backline so we should hopefully match up on them pretty well. 

Maybe Weidemann might come in though?? Kent/JKH/Kennedy can raffle it if not.

Wagner for Salem for mine. 

Edited June 28, 2017 by HBDee

[brendan 3,451]

3rd 6 day break in a row and with all our outs if we manage to pull off another win here I will be very disappointed if we don't finish top 4, I'm surprised we are still favorites I expect that to change however 

[Chook 15,023]

On the MCG I'd bring Wiedemann in as another marking target.

OUT: Garlett, Salem

INS: Kennedy-Harris, Weidemann

 

I'd play Hannan in the Garlett role, Tom McDonald as a roving CHF, Pedersen as a decoy, and Weideman close to goal. JKH as an accumulating midfielder (none of this small-forward stuff. He's no more a small forward than Jetta is).

Frost on Franklin, with instructions to play a slightly more close-down role. Make him pay on offense if there's an opportunity, but contest every ball delivered to Franklin, who is actually not a great contested mark.

Edited June 28, 2017 by Chook

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

O-Mac on either of Franklin or Reid gives me nightmares. 

Weid in, T-Mac to defence and Oscar out for matchups.

Frost on Reid, T-Mac to Franklin and Hibberd to help out in the air.

Salem and Garlett the other two outs for Kent and Wagner.

Probs won't happen, but I'll feel more comfortable if it does.

Edited June 28, 2017 by stevethemanjordan

[dl4e 5,851]

1 hour ago, DemonAndrew said:

Watts, Garlett, Hogan and Salem all confirmed as not playing Friday

Bummer!

I know Salem is out but where are the facts for the other 3 players. Mail ????

[GawnWithTheWind 604]

No Hogan, Watts, Salem, Garlett, Nath Jones? Thats 5 of our top 10 most important players.

I can't see Caseys fwd line kicking enough goals for us to win this.

[Tricky 341]

8 minutes ago, dl4e said:

I know Salem is out but where are the facts for the other 3 players. Mail ????

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/melbourne-rule-out-jack-watts-jeff-garlett-for-sydney-swans-clash-20170628-gx08cz.html

[Demon Jack 7,155]

Far out! We just can't catch a break with injuries at the moment. 

Out: Garlett, Salem

In: JKH, Wagner

I think that Kennedy could be a sneaky chance as well but JKH's VFL form of late has been to good to ignore.

Edited June 28, 2017 by Demon Jack

[In Harmes Way 7,842]

Agree, it appears the only two outs are Salem and Garlett.

I'd really like to bring in a small and a tall, given we've got two tall defenders (Frost, OMac), and two tall forwards (TMac, Pedo) and Gawny in the ruck. If we lose a tall during the game, we will lose balance, although I guess Hibbo can play tall if needed and we don't really have any tall stocks in reserve to come in (apologies, Weid, I reckon you still need a stretch in the twos to smash the door down).

So the two in's for me are Wags and Kenty. Bring some forward pressure please Kenty.

PS - love that we're getting our key players right to go for finals and we haven't scheduled any operations to get players right for preseason/next year...

Edited June 28, 2017 by small but forward
Thanks DC, brain fade. Meant Kenty!

[daisycutter 29,918]

who's hunty?

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

On 25/06/2017 at 9:04 AM, Clint Bizkit said:

We need fresh legs.

Out: Garlett, Salem

In: JKH/Kent, Watts

With Watts not playing I'd bring in two of Kent, JKH or Kennedy.

Pedersen and T. McDonald stay forward and help in the ruck, O. McDonald to Reid and Frost to Franklin.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

2 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

 O. McDonald to Reid

O-Mac is nowhere near quick, agile or aggressive enough in the air to play on Reid. 

I really don't see a matchup for Oscar this game. He allowed Petrie to kick a bag. 

Petrie is pushing 50.

Edited June 28, 2017 by stevethemanjordan

[dl4e 5,851]

So all this means is Watts, Hogan and Garlett not playing. That is a massive hole in our forward line.

[DeeSpencer 26,498]

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

O-Mac on either of Franklin or Reid gives me nightmares. 

Weid in, T-Mac to defence and Oscar out for matchups.

Frost on Reid, T-Mac to Franklin and Hibberd to help out in the air.

Salem and Garlett the other two outs for Kent and Wagner.

Probs won't happen, but I'll feel more comfortable if it does.

Wagner to Sam Reid. Oscar to the resting ruck - Sinclair/Nankervis. Or vice versa, with the important thing being Oscar gets in the right position to play a tall to his strengths (reading of the play and work rate) and Wagner can use some bulk and mobility to shepherd the other tall up the ground and hopefully give some run and rebound.

Tom stays forward because ball movement, scoring and forward pressure is going to be our best chance of helping out the backs rather than upgrading the backs themselves.

That said, I'd certainly consider Tom back and Weeds in. And if it was a final I'd probably do that, but with Hoges a week away and both Weeds and Oscar needing continuity and confidence I don't think it's worth changing it up. Oscar might concede 2 more goals than Tom but Tom might get that back up forward (through work rate and effort if not actual goals) over what Weeds would provide.

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9 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

O-Mac is nowhere near quick, agile or aggressive enough in the air to play on Reid. 

I really don't see a matchup for Oscar this game. He allowed Petrie to kick a bag. 

Petrie is pushing 50.

But was in our best 5 against Collingwood and the Dogs. We just have to hope the aggressive and focused Oscar turns up. Because when he's confident and attacking the ball he's good enough to stop Reid.

I think a lot of the problem against West Coast was that McGovern, Darling and Petrie were moving and swapping well together. They know how to undermine zone defending because their tall backs (ie. McGovern himself, and Barrass) are some of the best at playing it. 

Hopefully Sydney don't have that same level of smarts.

[Diamond_Jim 12,721]

8 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Wagner to Sam Reid. Oscar to the resting ruck - Sinclair/Nankervis. Or vice versa, with the important thing being Oscar gets in the right position to play a tall to his strengths (reading of the play and work rate) and Wagner can use some bulk and mobility to shepherd the other tall up the ground and hopefully give some run and rebound.

Tom stays forward because ball movement, scoring and forward pressure is going to be our best chance of helping out the backs rather than upgrading the backs themselves.

That said, I'd certainly consider Tom back and Weeds in. And if it was a final I'd probably do that, but with Hoges a week away and both Weeds and Oscar needing continuity and confidence I don't think it's worth changing it up. Oscar might concede 2 more goals than Tom but Tom might get that back up forward (through work rate and effort if not actual goals) over what Weeds would provide.

could not have put it better. DS ..... who do you suggest in place of Garlett and why would also be very interesting

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3 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

could not have put it better. DS ..... who do you suggest in place of Garlett and why would also be very interesting

Haven't watched enough of Casey to tell you whom out of JKH, Kent or Kennedy should be picked. 

If he'd just been a bit more consistent and kicked a couple of goals I'd throw DJ in because Garlett's tackling is probably the one thing I'd like to replace the most. 

If they pick JKH I'd rather him play on a wing or high half forward and Stretch and ANB are in those spots and I wouldn't move them right now. Kent's the most natural forward but his tackling and pressure is ordinary. Process of elimination I'd lean towards Kennedy.

Thinking a bit out of the box could we bring in both Wagner and Mitch White, roll Vince on to a wing/mid to tag Heeney or Hannebery, and then use Harmes as a pressure forward? Or Hunt goes forward. I don't hate that idea. Even if it makes the backline very young.

[Dee Zephyr 19,290]

I would go with Kent for Garlett . Kent needs to improve on his forward pressure a great deal and on the big stage he will have nowhere to hide and he could go from a list clogger to an integral part in our journey. 

We will miss Jeffy with his speed and tackling pressure but Kent provides the closest thing to a replacement with his own speed and long kicking. He's a line breaker and it might just work out against the Swans slow defence.

Edited June 28, 2017 by Demon77

[3Dee 1,153]

Weeds would have to come in from my expert opinion.

[PaulRB 6,435]

Wagner and JKH in for mine.

Wagner to the BF would allow Hunt to go forward, as a dynamic line breaker who applies defensive pressure, in Garlett's place. JKH to the mid field would allow Petracca and other mids to spend more time resting forward as well.

I though Weid was awesome first quarter VFL, but faded with the extra attention he got in the second half, still a work in progress. With Tommy Mac and Pedo doing fine in that area, Weid in is not critical, plus, I suspect Maxy might snag a couple this week as well.

Edited June 28, 2017 by PaulRB