A big fish

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

Jordan Lewis was a pretty big fish....

[chook fowler 19,304]

3 hours ago, Abe said:

In the not to distant future an out of contract petracca, Oliver, gawn, hogan, hunt etc might well be considered big fishes, we just have depth of talent 

Priority must be to retain what we've got.

[rjay 24,689]

Hibberd was a good get this year...identified a need.

Elite kick but also hard at it and strong over head.

Forget the big fish, pick off what we don't have. What we need.

[chook fowler 19,304]

Hibberd a great get - as for Milquetoast.........?

[Skuit 10,007]

So big offers put to Danger and DanHan during Roos' tenure were just great big lies?

[Little Goffy 14,165]

Oooh, I like this thread because it gives me another chance to bring out my broken record about 'value' for trades and players.

The obvious example is Hawthorn getting the likes of Frawley, Gibson, Hale, and Gunston. Even Burgoyne was a little slice off being 'big fish'. But all were legitimate players who were taken when a bit off their best and found or rediscovered their best form once they moved to Hawthorn. And all were chosen because they filled a specific need.

Something I've been fascinated by over the last decade or so is the way many of the top teams rise in two 'waves'. First wave is typically a surge of young talent which gets them into contention (or in Hawthorn's case, and arguably the Bulldogs, sneaks them a much earlier than expected flag), and then there is a period of adjusting, working out the remaining gaps to create a fully functional team without a key weakness that can be exploited by quality finals opponents.

All of Geelong, Hawthorn, St Kilda, Port and Collingwood have been through that first and second peak process. Even Brisbane dropped out of the top four, back to just 12 wins, before then surging again for the three-peat.

Presuming that the Dogs' surprise win kind of emulates what happened with the Hawks, it is going to be a very interesting next few years to see how the three clubs stocked with lethal young guns (Dogs, GWS, Demons) are going to evolve.

[Watts the matter 1,235]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Not a big fish but keep an eye out for Tim Taranto from GWS.

Not sure he is what we need. Seems to be able to do everything well except kick.

Does have a good radar for the goals though.

[radar 1,865]

Cats needed Ottens to get first flag. 

Not Judd or Danger but added real structure when they were struggling with Charlie Gardiner and Henry Playfair. 

[What 18,810]

6 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Not a big fish but keep an eye out for Tim Taranto from GWS.

Why do you say that?  

He was pick 2 in the most recent draft, a huge talent and looked great tonight.    He would cost us our first rounder at a minimum.  

[rjay 24,689]

6 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Why do you say that?  

He was pick 2 in the most recent draft, a huge talent and looked great tonight.    He would cost us our first rounder at a minimum.  

Our first rounder would be a good price...a pick 2, still young with some exposed form for say our first pick at 10 - ???? would be a steal.

[In Harmes Way 7,716]

14 hours ago, willmoy said:

Keep an eye open for moore, my quiet tip

That would be a variation on the father son rule - both father and son playing for the same two clubs. Can't think of another example of this.

[beelzebub 23,254]

Might be me. Not overly impressed with Moore

[Redleg 40,451]

15 hours ago, willmoy said:

Keep an eye open for moore, my quiet tip

Why would the Pies trade the only young key forward they have?

[Redleg 40,451]

They don't need to be a big fish if they fit a role we have a need for.

[Willmoy1947 4,007]

No rumour, he just looks unhappy and not fully determined. Particularly his body language, i suppose, like his dad, loved the big stage.We'll see....

[Sir Why You Little 36,765]

18 minutes ago, willmoy said:

No rumour, he just looks unhappy and not fully determined. Particularly his body language, i suppose, like his dad, loved the big stage.We'll see....

"We'll see" reads that you know something WM

Friend of the Moore family? Someone inside the MFC? or went to school with Darcy??

not having a go at you, but "to watch this space" means you have heard something...

[Willmoy1947 4,007]

17 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

"We'll see" reads that you know something WM

Friend of the Moore family? Someone inside the MFC? or went to school with Darcy??

not having a go at you, but "to watch this space" means you have heard something...

I have been brought up to be a student of "body language"

[deeflog 679]

53 minutes ago, willmoy said:

No rumour, he just looks unhappy and not fully determined. Particularly his body language, i suppose, like his dad, loved the big stage.We'll see....

Who?

[Sir Why You Little 36,765]

15 minutes ago, willmoy said:

I have been brought up to be a student of "body language"

As have i, which is what interests me about your original comment. 

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

11 minutes ago, willmoy said:

I have been brought up to be a student of "body language"

It's the subtle signs you have to look for.

The way he makes little horns with his fingers on his temples.

The fake pitchfork he likes to pretend to throw at the CFC cheer squad after each oppo goal.

The way he put AHG on his jumper and removed the back of jumper sponsor logo.

The way he turns his back when his teammates sing the club song and instead sings "should auld acquaintance be forgot" over and over.

It all adds up to the trained eye when it's in "clusters" like that.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

4 minutes ago, deeflog said:

Who?

Ted Whitten, jr.

[Bay Riffin 1,454]

15 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Not happy at The Filth?

Would much rather go the hawthorn rote and get one quality player that fulfills a need. E. G Hibberd is a perfect example. 

We need a quality talk backmen who can stand the Danihers, Hawkins, Pattons etc and ideally a good kick. Hawks god gibson, lake and Frawley knowing how vital they can be. 

Yes history shows spending $1.5 m on Fyffe will improve you but no one has won a premiership. We don't want a jealous group. 

 

 

[Sir Why You Little 36,765]

1 minute ago, Bay Riffin said:

Would much rather go the hawthorn rote and get one quality player that fulfills a need. E. G Hibberd is a perfect example. 

We need a quality talk backmen who can stand the Danihers, Hawkins, Pattons etc and ideally a good kick. Hawks god gibson, lake and Frawley knowing how vital they can be. 

Yes history shows spending $1.5 m on Fyffe will improve you but no one has won a premiership. We don't want a jealous group. 

 

 

I totally agree. The backline still needs a lot of work

[John Crow Batty 8,832]

3 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

Would much rather go the hawthorn rote and get one quality player that fulfills a need. E. G Hibberd is a perfect example. 

We need a quality talk backmen who can stand the Danihers, Hawkins, Pattons etc and ideally a good kick. Hawks god gibson, lake and Frawley knowing how vital they can be. 

Yes history shows spending $1.5 m on Fyffe will improve you but no one has won a premiership. We don't want a jealous group. 

 

 

Also, according to rumours he's not exactly the most popular player at Freo. That brings its own baggage.

Edited May 6, 2017 by america de cali

[Redleg 40,451]

1 hour ago, Ted Fidge said:

Ted Whitten, jr.

Can he ruck?