Training - Friday, 8th January, 2016

[Satyriconhome 10,878]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The Satynator in back in action! Haha

In all seriousness im very intrigued with Liam Hulett. Drafted on the basis of 3 Tac games in 2 years. Alot of injuries but apparently was a serious up and coming gun in the under 16s champs for Vic Country. Big solid unit who has already played senior footy for Bonbeach so maybe he could be a smokey for an early debut before the likes of Sam Weideman?

Glad my boy Mitch White is having a ripper summer. Huge upside.

I had a really good chat to Jason Taylor about him, first picked him up at under 14 level and have been keeping tabs on him, because of his physique, felt that the missing year would not be a problem, had a couple of games at the end of this season and showed no ill effects and the same attributes he showed at under 16s, so picking him up was not an issue, scares a few of the boys in the boxing ring so I am told......Roos is also a big fan

[daisycutter 29,616]

4 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I had a really good chat to Jason Taylor about him, first picked him up at under 14 level and have been keeping tabs on him, because of his physique, felt that the missing year would not be a problem, had a couple of games at the end of this season and showed no ill effects and the same attributes he showed at under 16s, so picking him up was not an issue, scares a few of the boys in the boxing ring so I am told......Roos is also a big fan

nice to have you back saty

[bing181 9,242]

Smokey of the year: Brendan McCartney. 

[Satyriconhome 10,878]

12 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Smokey of the year: Brendan McCartney. 

Me leaning on fence........

McCartney to players "which bit of stay of out the f*****g corridor don't you get"

McCartney to me "a bit of constructive development there"

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

23 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The Satynator in back in action! Haha

In all seriousness im very intrigued with Liam Hulett. Drafted on the basis of 3 Tac games in 2 years. Alot of injuries but apparently was a serious up and coming gun in the under 16s champs for Vic Country. Big solid unit who has already played senior footy for Bonbeach so maybe he could be a smokey for an early debut before the likes of Sam Weideman?

Glad my boy Mitch White is having a ripper summer. Huge upside.

 

 I think Mitch White will make it. He is another one of those competitors that Roos bangs on about. Comments from his last season read for a lesson in football development. Started in the VFL 2nds, promoted to the VFL senior team and got progressively better through the year finally making an AFL debut in the last round.  

2015 Season

1		-
2		-
3	VFL	Kicked a goal in development league. Went OK.	-
4		Didn’t play for Casey.
5	VFL	Did some nice things but wasn’t a big factor.	-
6	VFL	Did some nice things down back but is still learning.	-
7	VFL	Better than last week in defence. 21 possessions.	-
8	VFL	Used ball well and looks a likely type down back.	-
9	VFL	Bye.	-
10	VFL	Solid enough down back and used ball fairly well.	-
11	VFL	Good two-way performance in the back half.	-
12	VFL	Continues to learn craft in defence. Making good strides.	-
13	VFL	Bye.	-
14	VFL	Rested.	-
15	VFL	Rebounded well from defence in win over Port.	-
16	VFL	Used ball well coming out of defence and is a good size.	-
17	VFL	OK down back and bobbed up for two goals at other end.	-
18	VFL	Rebounded well at stages in tricky wind. Going OK.	-
19	VFL	Five rebounds among 14 touches in defence. Fair.	-
20	VFL	Casey’s best in defence. Coming along well as rebounder.	-
21	VFL	Continues to make strides as a rebounding defender.	-
22	VFL	Tried hard down back but had little support in end.	-
23	GWS	Impressive debut from the ex-Stingray in back half. One to watch in 2016.	6

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On 8 January 2016 at 3:16 PM, Die Hard Demon said:

Here are some pics from todays session ! I reckon my gf did a pretty good job, considering 1. She's never been to a training session in her life and 2. She's not a photographer.

Enjoy guys!

https://deestraining.smugmug.com/Dees-Training-Casey-Fields/

 

DHD thanks for that. 

Defiantley hold on to her, she's a gem. 

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On 8 January 2016 at 9:25 PM, Coup Cooper said:

Thanks for the report mate!

 

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12 hours ago, Cards13 said:

Going to be a bloody interesting year. The bit that about playing on at all costs gets my attention and seems to be a shift from Roos to Goody.

That got me interested too but I think what we need is players that can identify when to play on and when to hold things up. I'm thinking/hoping the younger players will be all over this.

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4 hours ago, fndee said:

 

 I think Mitch White will make it. He is another one of those competitors that Roos bangs on about. Comments from his last season read for a lesson in football development. Started in the VFL 2nds, promoted to the VFL senior team and got progressively better through the year finally making an AFL debut in the last round.  

2015 Season

1		-
2		-
3	VFL	Kicked a goal in development league. Went OK.	-
4		Didn’t play for Casey.
5	VFL	Did some nice things but wasn’t a big factor.	-
6	VFL	Did some nice things down back but is still learning.	-
7	VFL	Better than last week in defence. 21 possessions.	-
8	VFL	Used ball well and looks a likely type down back.	-
9	VFL	Bye.	-
10	VFL	Solid enough down back and used ball fairly well.	-
11	VFL	Good two-way performance in the back half.	-
12	VFL	Continues to learn craft in defence. Making good strides.	-
13	VFL	Bye.	-
14	VFL	Rested.	-
15	VFL	Rebounded well from defence in win over Port.	-
16	VFL	Used ball well coming out of defence and is a good size.	-
17	VFL	OK down back and bobbed up for two goals at other end.	-
18	VFL	Rebounded well at stages in tricky wind. Going OK.	-
19	VFL	Five rebounds among 14 touches in defence. Fair.	-
20	VFL	Casey’s best in defence. Coming along well as rebounder.	-
21	VFL	Continues to make strides as a rebounding defender.	-
22	VFL	Tried hard down back but had little support in end.	-
23	GWS	Impressive debut from the ex-Stingray in back half. One to watch in 2016.	6

Is White still a rookie?

 

Contracts thread has him as one, for some reason I thought that had changed.

 

Edited January 9, 2016 by Bombay Airconditioning

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

I just have this feeling we are going to get our MELBOURNE back this year.....

[jules7 792]

Awesome to have Saty back!

[hemingway 7,627]

Different personalities and diversity of views make this an interesting site as long as the egos and personal sledging does not detract from the information provided by track side watchers. So far the varied reports this pre-season have been great but let's make sure the standards remain and that mutual respect prevails.

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

8 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Is White still a rookie?

 

Contracts thread has him as one, for some reason I thought that had changed.

 

Yup. He and Max King remained on the rookie list from last season while Harmes and vandenBerg were promoted. 

Rookies: King, Wagner, White, Michie, Smith

[Whispering_Jack 30,198]

17 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

WJ

Yes,new employment involves shift work,  so been to a few training sessions, you will find pics on Twitter, still talking to the players, and still having my scooter stolen/moved by Max Gawn

Had a break from this place

Good to hear.

I forgot to mention that if you get the chance, you should check out the video of Melbourne's last win. It wasn't all that long ago but if memory serves me well, early in the second quarter, Jesse Hogan is lining up for an important goal against GWS on a forward flank at Etihad and there, clearly in the background, spurring him on in the sparse crowd are none other than Satyr and Mrs Satyr. The scooter is not visible.

I'm convinced that goal was the catalyst for our great victory so congrats on your role.

[Whispering_Jack 30,198]

40 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Good to hear.

I forgot to mention that if you get the chance, you should check out the video of Melbourne's last win. It wasn't all that long ago but if memory serves me well, early in the second quarter, Jesse Hogan is lining up for an important goal against GWS on a forward flank at Etihad and there, clearly in the background, spurring him on in the sparse crowd are none other than Satyr and Mrs Satyr. The scooter is not visible.

I'm convinced that goal was the catalyst for our great victory so congrats on your role.

I take that back.

On checking the vision, it wasn't a goal. Hogan missed that one but it put us in front by a point (hence my euphoria) but thanks for your contribution - every bit of enthusiasm in an Etihad lowest on record crowd helps.

See around the 7 minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ndiYaYDNlE&sns=em

 

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2 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I take that back.

On checking the vision, it wasn't a goal. Hogan missed that one but it put us in front by a point (hence my euphoria) but thanks for your contribution - every bit of enthusiasm in an Etihad lowest on record crowd helps.

See around the 7 minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ndiYaYDNlE&sns=em

 

Just watched that quarter and found it a good reminder of how well our list is shaping up with White, Harmes and O. Mac all showing plenty. Also realised what a beast Maxxy Gawn is - could well be our most important player next to Hogan.

 

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On 8 January 2016 at 8:24 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

Read it and honestly thought it was the biggest load of tripe with the occasional players name mentioned.. other then that half of it i couldn't even understand wtf he was talking about. Is he trying to be the next Tasman because he failed awfully.

I enjoyed it.

Hes offered a damn sight more than you, in any case.

[Redleg 40,944]

23 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

McCartney to players "which bit of stay of out the f*****g corridor don't you get"

McCartney to me "a bit of constructive development there"

Clear, concise, simple message. Great.

 

10 hours ago, Good Times Grimes said:

Rookies: King, Wagner, White, Michie, Smith

Another example of our improved list.

White has played an AFL game and looks to have a fair AFL career ahead of him, Michie has played games at AFL level, King has showed improvement and is a possible AFL player of the future, with some physical development and Wagner has played senior footy in a lower level competition. Smith is the longshot of the group.

Edited January 10, 2016 by Redleg

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On 08/01/2016 at 7:58 AM, Whispering_Jack said:

Thanks everybody for your comments, especially DeePick's report and Die Hard Demons girlfriend's photos.  I also managed to take in Proper Gander's partly completed and somewhat esoteric report on Bigfooty. Dazzle, I know it wasn't up to your expectations but there's a bit to read between the lines and apparently more to come. The good news is that Tasmanlvr hasn't left the scene entirely; rather, he's doing summer school at uni (I did that myself one year and it was fascinating) and will probably be back in action after the Aussie Open.

 

My observation is that we've come a long way from pre season training in the last 50 years (in those days it started in late February) since the late, great Norm Smith ordered full back Bernie Massey to shave off his mustache. If he were still coach today and given that he would be the oldest coach in the competition at 100 that's unlikely, the old disciplinarian would surely be bewildered at the amount of facial hair young Roos is permitting his players to get away with (and I mean you in particular Gawny).

 

Not long ago when I wrote that piece on the Weidemans, I checked out some stats and I was amazed that key forwards like Murray Weideman and Norm Smith were barely taller than 6 foot in the old scale and shorter than many of the midfielders running out there at Casey yesterday morning. Blokes of that height never had to do so much running in an entire season, let alone what they have to in January these days. And on top of the running, there's a lot of strength work to be done as well which was demonstrated by some pictures I saw from earlier in the week of young Sam contesting a mark against 20 year old Jesse Hogan. 

 

Smithy's teams were always imposing in terms of height and size, not to mention skills and discipline so it was good reading that part of DeePick's report. I did make it down to Casey Fields at this time two years ago with my grandson on a very hot summer's morning (the only other people there were from the Salem family) and I don't remember as much evidence of the height and size factor then, yet I came away wearing the same rose coloured glasses that I have at this point in every season. Perhaps, it might be justified this time around.

 

Welcome back Jack, I hope you enjoyed the Caribbean where with luck the cruise proved to soothe the nerves a little after a hectic pre Christmas period where everyone's nerves were a little on edge and some poor decisions were made.  Also we've missed your sharp insights and wonderful recollections.

I particularly liked this post and felt compelled to respond.  I'm heartened to know that you think in 50 years we've come a long way in our pre season training and I'm wondering if you can put your finger on why.  Could it be the greater professionalism of the players, the fact that pre season is significantly longer than it was in the past, the better diet of the players, the greater focus on development, the better pathways that exist, the improvements in video and other electronic advancements over the period, the greater scrutiny the players face, advances in science and medical procedures that allow players to train more and stay fitter longer or something else I've missed? Perhaps the boots are better. I'd be interested in your thoughts.

I'm also interested in your observation about players now being bigger.  Whilst I doubt many would have made this observation I've also thought this but never had the stats to back it up. How do you think John Nichols would go in the ruck now?  Would Stuart Spencer and Ian Ridley be the exceptional players now they were then?  Did Graeme Wise start the trend of teams only playing one ruckmen?  Where do you think players like Barry Bourke got past the Norm Smith philosophy of "imposing" size?  Great memories when you start thinking about it and interesting to discuss.  I'd appreciate your insights.

Heart warming story about you and your grandson being the only people at training at Casey a couple of years ago (along with the Salems).  Hope the little tacker has a bit to cheer this year because like you I'm full of optimism about the year to come.  Just hoping Track can get over that toe injury.  Have you heard anything?

[DeeZone 9,856]

Thanks All for the great reports on Training activities, they are greatly appreciated, great insights, photo's, etc. However, I am having difficulty locating the thread that relates to the 3Km Time Trial conducted last week on MFC Website and here on Demonland site, there was some reference to Herald Sun report but that was it. Can you please point me in the right direction?

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Dees training at Maroochydore Multi Sports Complex on Fishermans Road, Maroochdore on Sunshine Coast this Saturday 16th January. Last year it was a 9.00 am Q time start. TBA on MFC website. Anyone know more details ?

[dazzledavey36 54,951]

So it looks like the boys are off to camp today?

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,808]

Footy seems real again now that Saty's back.

[Whispering_Jack 30,198]

19 hours ago, Baghdad Bob said:

Welcome back Jack, I hope you enjoyed the Caribbean where with luck the cruise proved to soothe the nerves a little after a hectic pre Christmas period where everyone's nerves were a little on edge and some poor decisions were made.  Also we've missed your sharp insights and wonderful recollections.

I particularly liked this post and felt compelled to respond.  I'm heartened to know that you think in 50 years we've come a long way in our pre season training and I'm wondering if you can put your finger on why.  Could it be the greater professionalism of the players, the fact that pre season is significantly longer than it was in the past, the better diet of the players, the greater focus on development, the better pathways that exist, the improvements in video and other electronic advancements over the period, the greater scrutiny the players face, advances in science and medical procedures that allow players to train more and stay fitter longer or something else I've missed? Perhaps the boots are better. I'd be interested in your thoughts.

I'm also interested in your observation about players now being bigger.  Whilst I doubt many would have made this observation I've also thought this but never had the stats to back it up. How do you think John Nichols would go in the ruck now?  Would Stuart Spencer and Ian Ridley be the exceptional players now they were then?  Did Graeme Wise start the trend of teams only playing one ruckmen?  Where do you think players like Barry Bourke got past the Norm Smith philosophy of "imposing" size?  Great memories when you start thinking about it and interesting to discuss.  I'd appreciate your insights.

Heart warming story about you and your grandson being the only people at training at Casey a couple of years ago (along with the Salems).  Hope the little tacker has a bit to cheer this year because like you I'm full of optimism about the year to come.  Just hoping Track can get over that toe injury.  Have you heard anything?

Thanks Bob. There's enough there to fill three or four threads here but most of the answers are fairly obvious as touched upon by you. Times change, methods and technology change, peoples' shapes and sizes change.  Unfortunately, our club has been pretty much slow on the uptake because like many of the places we visited, we've been run like a banana republic in the past 5 decades. One thing is for certain, there's no such thing as the Norm Smith Curse - our problems have all been man made (or should I say) person made.

My optimism now stems mainly from the fact that we appear to have stability at the top these days.

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23 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

My optimism now stems mainly from the fact that we appear to have stability at the top these days.

And at the sides too.

Stable admin plus professional coaching setup ( with what it seems is a focus on development) - the last piece in the puzzle is for the blokes kicking the ball to continue improving.

I saw a pretty ugly 2014 as expected, a tangible improvement last year and looking for more strides forward in 2016. 

I share your optimism (albeit guarded, as I have been a jilted lover one too many times).  

Edited January 11, 2016 by nutbean