Post Match Discussion - Round 5

[grazman 7,273]

someone else should've taken it then

Yeah right.

Edited May 5, 2015 by grazman

[ILLDieADemon 804]

aww diddums

"I think the boys can hang there heads high after that performance considering were we have come from."

ill be on the lookout for more now, and i make no apologies if your precious little feelings get hurt

hang their heads high. fmd hang yours in shame

More garbage

[timD 994]

Delusional.

We have too many injuries....no depth.

I'd like it if he said that...no wait I'd want him fired.

[PaulRB 6,297]

Boy that Fyfe can play, hope our boys were taking notes...

Walking from the G reckoned we are at least 2-3 years from being able to perform at Freo's level, week in - week out.

And that assumes that the Draft and Development improvements we've seen these last year and half continue for the next three.

And that we can unearth a couple of genuine star midfielders, I think Brayshaw is going to be very solid, but we need Petracca to be a game turning dynamo...

[picket fence 16,648]

We are still saddled with the remnants of the Bailey and the Neeld era!

Time to flick those that, although have exuded some promise, when the "Blow Torch" of reality takes hold they have been found to be... wanting, some seriously and palpably so

Trengove

Grimes

Mc Kenzie

Terlich

Watts ( yep)

Fitzpatrick

Toumpas

Spencer

Gawn

and probably one or two others.

All have been running around Casey for what seems to be a Million Years! Showing fragments of promise, not dissimilar to that young leggy thing that shows "Just a hint of a all so white thigh, so pure so fresh" of the promise of absolute fulfilment!

But alas it fails to be!

And after getting games in the Ones and being disappointed yet again it all crumbles to .... Dust!

Time to bring forth the Reaper and cut out the finality of a cancerous past!

The Dish Lickers seem to have done , just that!

I grow weary of our all too many false dawns and hopes!

Time to take a grip of "Reality"

[PaulRB 6,297]

Agree, although Trengove I'd give another year fully fit to see how he comes back, the rest have this year to step it up... as there will be another half dozen coming in at years end.

[chook fowler 19,248]

I firmly believe we are yet to see the benefit of our new development dept. - it's encouraging that Casey are doing well, keeping in mind Footscray won the VFL premiership last year and look at them now. I reckon Macca and co can bring players like Toumpas, Fitz, Gawn and even Watts to the next level.

I reckon we should just sit back and enjoy the ride.

[PaulRB 6,297]

I hope the Dev Dept can rejuvenate those boys, but the last two years has seen approx 4-5 new players drafted into the club who come straight into the 22 (Lumumba, Garlett, Newton, VandenBurg, Brayshaw, Petracca*). That most, if not all, of these new players are playing better footy than those on Pickets list is damming, as they too will improve under the Dev Dept...

If they continue this, some of those "old timers" will find themselves on the outer or up for a trade...

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,208]

We are still saddled with the remnants of the Bailey and the Neeld era!

Time to flick those that, although have exuded some promise, when the "Blow Torch" of reality takes hold they have been found to be... wanting, some seriously and palpably so

Trengove

Grimes

Mc Kenzie

Terlich

Watts ( yep)

Fitzpatrick

Toumpas

Spencer

Gawn

and probably one or two others.

All have been running around Casey for what seems to be a Million Years! Showing fragments of promise, not dissimilar to that young leggy thing that shows "Just a hint of a all so white thigh, so pure so fresh" of the promise of absolute fulfilment!

But alas it fails to be!

And after getting games in the Ones and being disappointed yet again it all crumbles to .... Dust!

Time to bring forth the Reaper and cut out the finality of a cancerous past!

The Dish Lickers seem to have done , just that!

I grow weary of our all too many false dawns and hopes!

Time to take a grip of "Reality"

I agree with all that, who have we let go in the past couple of seasons that we've come to regret? Stef Martin, that's about it. Yes some were high draft picks, we stuffed up its time to move on. Edited May 5, 2015 by Al's Demons

[beelzebub 23,197]

We are still saddled with the remnants of the Bailey and the Neeld era!

Time to flick those that, although have exuded some promise, when the "Blow Torch" of reality takes hold they have been found to be... wanting, some seriously and palpably so

Trengove

Grimes

Mc Kenzie

Terlich

Watts ( yep)

Fitzpatrick

Toumpas

Spencer

Gawn

and probably one or two others.

All have been running around Casey for what seems to be a Million Years! Showing fragments of promise, not dissimilar to that young leggy thing that shows "Just a hint of a all so white thigh, so pure so fresh" of the promise of absolute fulfilment!

But alas it fails to be!

And after getting games in the Ones and being disappointed yet again it all crumbles to .... Dust!

Time to bring forth the Reaper and cut out the finality of a cancerous past!

The Dish Lickers seem to have done , just that!

I grow weary of our all too many false dawns and hopes!

Time to take a grip of "Reality"

theres gunna be some unhappy supporters come EOS , quite a few 'faves' might be moved on. I also know some won't be.

Be interesting to see Goody stamp more of his ideal on the list.we are evolving, and that means change. Bring it.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

And had they missed?

Would you then blame:

A) whichever defender it was that was closest to Salem at the time

B) Salem for being a [censored] and not taking the kick

C) Both

D) Jack Watts

E) All of the above?

did pavlich take his kick when he went off?

no, because the percentage play is to have someone else take it in that scenario

not necessarily salem's fault, blame the runner, the coach, the skipper

but a goal went begging at a time when we still had a pulse

if it was Watts there would be a thread devoted to it

[titan_uranus 24,575]

IMO comparisons to the Bulldogs are quite misguided.

It's not hard to get swept up in what they're achieving so far but Essendon beat Hawthorn in Round 2 and has gone markedly backwards since - the Sydney win doesn't necessarily mean the Bulldogs are going to finish top 4, or even top 8, or have a stellar year.

Meanwhile this so-called 'basket case' won 7 games in 2014, 8 in 2013, 5 in 2012 and 9 in 2011 (having played in a preliminary final in each of 2008-2010). That isn't remotely close to the kind of rock bottom we went to in 2012-2013 (off the back of the previous rock bottom in 2008-2009).

McCartney laid a whole lot of groundwork in his time there which Beveridge has tweaked - and tweaked well mind you - to reap the rewards of. Neeld didn't lay that kind of platform for Roos, on the contrary he took out the entire foundation of the club.

Good on the Dogs for exceeding expectations, I'd love us to be doing what they're doing now, but I'm not sure it's fair to be assuming we should be doing what they're doing.

[binman 41,944]

IMO comparisons to the Bulldogs are quite misguided.

It's not hard to get swept up in what they're achieving so far but Essendon beat Hawthorn in Round 2 and has gone markedly backwards since - the Sydney win doesn't necessarily mean the Bulldogs are going to finish top 4, or even top 8, or have a stellar year.

Meanwhile this so-called 'basket case' won 7 games in 2014, 8 in 2013, 5 in 2012 and 9 in 2011 (having played in a preliminary final in each of 2008-2010). That isn't remotely close to the kind of rock bottom we went to in 2012-2013 (off the back of the previous rock bottom in 2008-2009).

McCartney laid a whole lot of groundwork in his time there which Beveridge has tweaked - and tweaked well mind you - to reap the rewards of. Neeld didn't lay that kind of platform for Roos, on the contrary he took out the entire foundation of the club.

Good on the Dogs for exceeding expectations, I'd love us to be doing what they're doing now, but I'm not sure it's fair to be assuming we should be doing

what they're doing.

Spot on.

[Henrietta Lumbago 331]

We are still saddled with the remnants of the Bailey and the Neeld era!

Time to flick those that, although have exuded some promise, when the "Blow Torch" of reality takes hold they have been found to be... wanting, some seriously and palpably so

Trengove

Grimes

Mc Kenzie

Terlich

Watts ( yep)

Fitzpatrick

Toumpas

Spencer

Gawn

and probably one or two others.

All have been running around Casey for what seems to be a Million Years! Showing fragments of promise, not dissimilar to that young leggy thing that shows "Just a hint of a all so white thigh, so pure so fresh" of the promise of absolute fulfilment!

But alas it fails to be!

And after getting games in the Ones and being disappointed yet again it all crumbles to .... Dust!

Time to bring forth the Reaper and cut out the finality of a cancerous past!

The Dish Lickers seem to have done , just that!

I grow weary of our all too many false dawns and hopes!

Time to take a grip of "Reality"

I think as a club we should give Trengove at least time to get himself fit again, He was too young to be made captain, but that wasn't his fault, he signed a longer initial contract extension than Scully otherwise he would have been offered huge money by GWS no doubt, I think Trengove is one player on our list that we actually owe something to.

My missus is a massive fan and he is her favourite player, we would hate to see him not get back to his best form because he is a natural competitor and has hardness, we just need to get him right and get those legs going again, it will take a couple of years but we should stick with him no matter what, strongly disagree with people who want him delisted

[Undeeterred 3,043]

Correct. I keep comng back to this year after year. It does go a long way to explaining who wins games of football - our problem is that the average experience of our 22 stays low season after season. The reaosn is because we have players get to 50-100 games and instead of going on with careers , they fizzle out and get replaced by kids. This year it's Grimes, McKenzie, [Pedersen],etc etc etc

This is spot on and often overlooked

[Ted Lasso 18,771]

I think we will keep Trengove because

If he gets fit he has a lot of upside

His injury history would leave him with stuff all trade value

[Je Roos Salem 661]

JKH was a positive from Sunday for mine. Hadn't noticed him much priorly this year, but won some meaningful possessions in the middle. I think he has the potential to be a good ball winner rather than your typical small forward

[jackaub 1,402]

I think as a club we should give Trengove at least time to get himself fit again, He was too young to be made captain, but that wasn't his fault, he signed a longer initial contract extension than Scully otherwise he would have been offered huge money by GWS no doubt, I think Trengove is one player on our list that we actually owe something to.

My missus is a massive fan and he is her favourite player, we would hate to see him not get back to his best form because he is a natural competitor and has hardness, we just need to get him right and get those legs going again, it will take a couple of years but we should stick with him no matter what, strongly disagree with people who want him delisted

Are you for real?

Trengove must fight for a position and earn it on merit. This the same give the poor bastard another couple of years attitude that have us where we are today

Sorry for Trenners due to injury but he is not alone there but we owe him nothing other than an opportunity to perform. His time is running out

[Red and Bluebeard 2,075]

Far to reasonable! Didn't you know losing gives us permission to carry on like a bunch of idiots and throw common sense out the window?

Edit: Substituted whingers with idiots.

We can do that whether we win or lose ...

[Samael 560]

Fremantle are a very mature side. On Sunday they had only one player in their team with less than 50 games experience (they also a better midfielder than Ablett, fed by a crane for a ruckman).

Melbourne had 8 players under 50 games. Hogan, Salem, Michie, Newton and Brayshaw had less than 20. I'm not expecting these players to go anywhere near a team like Freo for a couple of years. Anything else is wishful thinking.

This is meaningful analysis and realistic evaluation of where we are at. I think our real benchmarks are the likes of the doggies. I think their victories over both Adelaide and Sydney were greatly assisted by the weather. The dogs have players better suite to the wet. I think MFC also have better wet weather players and little reliance on big marking forwards. Reading the training threads I think the concentration on ball movement is designed to exploit this and make up for the lack of buddy tippet etc type forwards. We could have done better in the rucking dept this week, seemed to me we ceded the tap to advantage and did not try any options.

[Samael 560]

JKH was a positive from Sunday for mine. Hadn't noticed him much priorly this year, but won some meaningful possessions in the middle. I think he has the potential to be a good ball winner rather than your typical small forward

You watched a different game to me.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

JKH was a positive from Sunday for mine. Hadn't noticed him much priorly this year, but won some meaningful possessions in the middle. I think he has the potential to be a good ball winner rather than your typical small forward

I agree, although he still needs to adjust to the speed of senior footy. Can find his own ball but is often caught in possession with it either trying to do too much or by not taking the first option given to him. When he corrects this then he'll be a very handy player for us.

[What 18,810]

Misson injury report on the website says -

Jetta likely wont play this week

Dawesy will play

Jack Viney out this week, should return vs Hawks

[jnrmac 19,890]

You watched a different game to me.

Same here. Thought he was ordinary

[jnrmac 19,890]

I agree, although he still needs to adjust to the speed of senior footy. Can find his own ball but is often caught in possession with it either trying to do too much or by not taking the first option given to him. When he corrects this then he'll be a very handy player for us.

I thnk he is told to take the game on. Often it comes unstuck. Has to choose the right time to take it on.