The Rising Star Thread - Congratulations Jesse Hogan!

[Lucifers Hero 39,779]

I really wonder if it does matter when they get nominated. I would have thought that in the final judging, they will look back on each nominees whole season and draw a conclusion from the consistency of their performances.

Quite right hardtack. Date of nomination has no significance.

The process is: At the end of the season, nine AFL personalities (typically administrators and All-Australian team selectors) vote for five of the twenty-two nominees, with their top selections earning five votes, their second selection earning four votes, etc. The player who receives the most votes is the winner.

If Hogan gets nominated his consistency will put him right up there to win it.

If he doesn't win, it may bug some people on DL but I doubt it will phase him.

I reckon being in the AFL Team of The Week and votes from both coaches in the AFLCA will put a smile on his dial!

[Dr. Mubutu 852]

Gary Ablett Jnr, Dane Swan, Jonathan Brown = never nominated for the Rising Star

Jordon Gysberts x 2, Cale Morton, Sam Blease =nominated for the Rising Star

Yes, that's all well and good, but a certain N. Jones also picked up 2 nominations for the Rising Star.

Edited May 26, 2015 by Dr. Mubutu

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Yes, that's all well and good, but a certain N. Jones also picked up 2 nominations for the Rising Star.

Further re-iterating his point, which was that getting it or not getting it has little bearing on one's career

[Dr. Mubutu 852]

Further re-iterating his point, which was that getting it or not getting it has little bearing on one's career

I'm just saying, just because a player gets a RS nomination, doesn't mean they will turn out to be a spud (which is how the post read).

For the record, I place absolutely no currency (other than whatever financial reward the actual winner gets) on the whole Rising Star hoo-ha. The actual WINNER usually goes on to have a good career, but as we all know, one nomination does not a career make.

[jnrmac 20,061]

Quite right hardtack. Date of nomination has no significance.

The process is: At the end of the season, nine AFL personalities (typically administrators and All-Australian team selectors) vote for five of the twenty-two nominees, with their top selections earning five votes, their second selection earning four votes, etc. The player who receives the most votes is the winner.

If Hogan gets nominated his consistency will put him right up there to win it.

If he doesn't win, it may bug some people on DL but I doubt it will phase him.

I reckon being in the AFL Team of The Week and votes from both coaches in the AFLCA will put a smile on his dial!

I really wonder if it does matter when they get nominated. I would have thought that in the final judging, they will look back on each nominees whole season and draw a conclusion from the consistency of their performances.

Its not supposed to but how do you explain 3 winners past round 8 in the history of the award?

And the consistency argument is an aberation from when the award was first established. It should have nothing to do with consistency. Its about a future star, not who has had the best first year.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Its not supposed to but how do you explain 3 winners past round 8 in the history of the award?

And the consistency argument is an aberation from when the award was first established. It should have nothing to do with consistency. Its about a future star, not who has had the best first year.

surely a consistent performer is more promising than an inconsistent one

[binman 42,938]

According to the bookies Hogan is 2nd favourite at $3.25 behind McCarthy at $3.00. 3rd Patrick Cribbs $5.50 and then Matt Crouch $13.

Its my belief Hogan's consistency (if continued) will get him over the line. Best they hurry up and nominate him.

Spot on GNF, was going to post the same thing. I'm spewing i didn't take the $8 at the start of the season. He'll win and $3.25 is still overs. Its only that rprice becasue he is yet to be nominated but barring injury (heaven forbid) there's no way they won't nominate him, no way.

Get on this week peeps.

[Adzman 2,154]

He is giving good backman headaches. There are some teams we are yet to play with some holes in their backline that will struggle to contain hulk. He should take out the rising star award if he continues his current form. Contested marking machine.

[jnrmac 20,061]

surely a consistent performer is more promising than an inconsistent one

So as a hypothetical Hogan plays say 5 great games at the end of the year and JKH plays 20 games averaging 14 possessions, you'd pick JKH?

I get why the panel are seduced by the best first year player theme but its not what the award was established for. And from what you are saying if a player play1 game, a blinder in roudn 23, and is nominated he can't win the award. That is a joke. A player that is nominated in any round should be able to win. And a player who is not nominated (say Gary Ablett Jnr, Dane Swan etc) should also be able to win.

The award needs a total revamp.

[Gator 17,337]

McCarthy has been excellent and was excellent again on the weekend against the crows who are a good team.

Quite amusing listening to the conspiracy theories on here.

When does McCarthy cop the opposition's best key defender ? Answer, never. Not once. The opposition put the most work into Cameron. Hogan isn't a foil for anyone. He's the man.

I like McCarthy and don't begrudge him the nod, but Hogan beats McCarthy in just about every relevant stat except goals per game. Hogan has more disposals, more marks, more contested marks, and the same average marks inside 50. All while copping the best defender and playing for the team with the least inside 50's in the league.

Even on the weekend it was 21 disposals to 12, 9 marks to 6 and 3 goals to 4.

Not to mention he splits packs and creates goals for teammates. One is a power forward, the other isn't.

It's no major issue, but there's a flaw in the award when the best 20 year old and under in the competition hasn't been recognised.

[hardtack 10,537]

So as a hypothetical Hogan plays say 5 great games at the end of the year and JKH plays 20 games averaging 14 possessions, you'd pick JKH?

I get why the panel are seduced by the best first year player theme but its not what the award was established for. And from what you are saying if a player play1 game, a blinder in roudn 23, and is nominated he can't win the award. That is a joke. A player that is nominated in any round should be able to win. And a player who is not nominated (say Gary Ablett Jnr, Dane Swan etc) should also be able to win.

The award needs a total revamp.

Yes, you may well be right... but we are not talking about what it should be. My comments were based on what it is now...it should be who has had the best season out of all those nominated regardless of which round they were nominated in.

[jnrmac 20,061]

Yes, you may well be right... but we are not talking about what it should be. My comments were based on what it is now...it should be who has had the best season out of all those nominated regardless of which round they were nominated in.

Yes but that's not what it was when it was established. Its what it has morphed in to. And in effect there are only 8 players that can win it. Those nominated in the first 8 rounds.

[KingDingAling 3,757]

Spot on GNF, was going to post the same thing. I'm spewing i didn't take the $8 at the start of the season. He'll win and $3.25 is still overs. Its only that rprice becasue he is yet to be nominated but barring injury (heaven forbid) there's no way they won't nominate him, no way.

Get on this week peeps.

I would still take Brayshaw from here.

It is only early days yet.

[wattsup 470]

I was tossing up between hogan and petracca at start of year(before petracca did his knee) I ended up placing $50 on hogan at $12 still early days but looking good, will jump on petracca for next years award

[chookrat 4,249]

Duggan - 23 possessions (8 contested, 56% DE), 4 tackles, 8 inside 50s, one behind, 2 goal assists

McCarthy - 12 disposals (5 contested, 75% DE), 6 marks (1 contested), 1 tackle, 2 inside 50s, 4 goals 1, 1 goal assist (on Cheney)

Hogan - 21 disposals (9 contested, 57% DE), 9 marks (2 contested), 1 tackle, 1 inside 50, 3 goals, 2 goal assists (on Roughead)

It has to be Hogan this week. McCarthy is unlucky he hasn't had one yet though, but it's only a matter of time

Boyd - 1 handball

[CBDees 3,167]

Boyd - 1 handball

Yes and for this performance Fitzy didn't even get in team of the week. At least Hogan's efforts were recognised to this extent!

[Grimes Times 1,278]

The system is flawed.

The nominations don't allow for a good player to be awarded if he is not nominated.

History shows that if you are not nominated before round 8 you have buckley's of winning (only 3 have won outside that). Getting nominated in rd 22 is almost impossible to win.

It USED (original concept) to be an award that awarded a player who was going to be a bona fide star. Now it is simply a 'best first year player' award with number of games and consistency etc being the major factors.

Its a crap award and I am happy if no melbourne player get nominated. Our history of it isn't great (Gysberts nominated twice, Morton etc etc) It simply means their contract value goes up, they think they have made it as a football player potentially and other clubs start sniffing around to get them. No benefit whatsoever to the club.

Its never been who's going to be a start award. Its always been who had the best year. The voters don't take into account what the player may become its all about that one year.

[jnrmac 20,061]

Its never been who's going to be a start award. Its always been who had the best year. The voters don't take into account what the player may become its all about that one year.

I disagree. It was never a best first year player award but a future star award.

[McQueen 17,864]

Is Gus a chance this week?

21 touches, 8 tackles..

[beelzebub 23,369]

Is Gus a chance this week?

21 touches, 8 tackles..

doesnt often go to a participant in a losing team though...just saying

[Demon3 2,541]

very very very confident that Rising Star will be a Demon today. Very.

[Demonland 72,180]

Congratulations to Jesse Hogan.

About time.

[Gipsy Danger 1,067]

very very very confident that Rising Star will be a Demon today. Very.

Inside mail?

[dazzledavey36 54,920]

Inside mail?

He does and its very good inside mail too.

[Moonshadow 17,676]

very very very confident that Rising Star will be a Demon today. Very.

Good get PJ, er.... I mean Demon3.