Changes v Geelong - Elimination Final

[bing181 8,165]

Not sure that we can presume that Hannan will be available.

[DeezNuts 624]

After watching the last two games against Geelong, here are my top 5 matchups that I'm worried about:

1. It's not Hawkins - Menzel is more mobile than Hawkins and can take a good grab: (I say Frost here due to mobility, OMAC has done well on Hawkins and should continue his progress). 

2. Selwood - Duck central, can pull a free or four, needs an honest tag - need consistent but fair attention: (Harmes)

3. Danger - not number 1 or 2 because he's proven to be easily spooked/emotional when tagged: - (P.S. I love you Bernie!) Need someone who could continuously annoy him and then play their own game when it breaks out: (Viney)

4. Kelly - a feeder on loose balls, I don't have an obvious identified opponent for this one...

5. Blicavs - X-factor in defence, seems to be able to intercept, pinch-hit, spoil like no other and run it out. One of our forwards needs to be aware of his mobility and figure out a vulnerability to exploit.

Ultimately - I say we back our game. Geelong tends to push the wings, short chip in the back half, and then go to traditional key position players and marking up the ground. For us, we're harder at the contest, we confuse the opponent with quick handballs and clear the stoppage. Our fire-power in front and our recent 'eyes lowered' entrances into 50 give us a good chance at putting on scoreboard pressure. Further, over the last two (2) weeks, we've demonstrated an ability to force - or at the very least - create doubt for the opponent, by applying constant pressure to the ball carrier prior to delivery, which has regularly translated into a turn-over.

However - Our ability to gut-run back, after a heavy forward press, tends to leave us open in the back-line, and creates opportunities for the adversary to capitalize on. Although we've improved in this area, it's not yet convincing and is a weakness that I don't have the knowledge or experience in how to combat. 

6. Ablett - Jones will have his measure. But a Viney chicken-wing will suffice

Happy for other views, thoughts, corrections and other issues that I've neglected.

Cheers,

DN

 

[layzie 28,708]

5 hours ago, bing181 said:

Not sure that we can presume that Hannan will be available.

Garlett in by default maybe?

Really hope Hannan gets up. 

[Ethan Tremblay 28,358]

Hannan didn’t play last week, why would Garlett be an in for him? Do you mean for Kent?

 

Edited August 29, 2018 by Ethan Tremblay

[beelzebub 22,225]

Strangely I think Garlett would revel in the climate of a final.

[Pates 9,536]

If Garlett puts in a strong performance this week at Casey, with high pressure and team acts then he could be a big chance to replace Kent. 

Biggest concern is Kent is stronger in his body while Garlett is more your traditional crummer (and they don’t seem to have the greatest records in finals). 

That said Garlett has a magic that when he’s on he can be a match winner, sadly only seen once for the seniors this year against Brisbane. 

[Superunknown 3,311]

17 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Selwood's clapping a "nice" touch too.

Viney needs to make Ablett cry. Put him on his bum, hard.

Then Dangerfield (who'll get up smiling).

Then Selwood (who'll need 50 or 60 knocks)

But yeah, we need to muscle up a bit

If someone does something like Franklin did to Fritsch (who got up as if it didn't happen) without some payback I'll spew

Need to get Old Testament, none of this New Testament turn the other chick bizzo.

[Jones 62]

11 hours ago, DeezNuts said:

After watching the last two games against Geelong, here are my top 5 matchups that I'm worried about:

1. It's not Hawkins - Menzel is more mobile than Hawkins and can take a good grab: (I say Frost here due to mobility, OMAC has done well on Hawkins and should continue his progress). 

2. Selwood - Duck central, can pull a free or four, needs an honest tag - need consistent but fair attention: (Harmes)

3. Danger - not number 1 or 2 because he's proven to be easily spooked/emotional when tagged: - (P.S. I love you Bernie!) Need someone who could continuously annoy him and then play their own game when it breaks out: (Viney)

4. Kelly - a feeder on loose balls, I don't have an obvious identified opponent for this one...

5. Blicavs - X-factor in defence, seems to be able to intercept, pinch-hit, spoil like no other and run it out. One of our forwards needs to be aware of his mobility and figure out a vulnerability to exploit.

Ultimately - I say we back our game. Geelong tends to push the wings, short chip in the back half, and then go to traditional key position players and marking up the ground. For us, we're harder at the contest, we confuse the opponent with quick handballs and clear the stoppage. Our fire-power in front and our recent 'eyes lowered' entrances into 50 give us a good chance at putting on scoreboard pressure. Further, over the last two (2) weeks, we've demonstrated an ability to force - or at the very least - create doubt for the opponent, by applying constant pressure to the ball carrier prior to delivery, which has regularly translated into a turn-over.

However - Our ability to gut-run back, after a heavy forward press, tends to leave us open in the back-line, and creates opportunities for the adversary to capitalize on. Although we've improved in this area, it's not yet convincing and is a weakness that I don't have the knowledge or experience in how to combat. 

6. Ablett - Jones will have his measure. But a Viney chicken-wing will suffice

Happy for other views, thoughts, corrections and other issues that I've neglected.

Cheers,

DN

 

Harry Taylor is another one who worries me. We don't know where he is going to play - forward or back. I think he could get swung both ways. Smart, mature player who could lift a gear in finals

[Bates Mate 3,818]

11 hours ago, DeezNuts said:

After watching the last two games against Geelong, here are my top 5 matchups that I'm worried about:

1. It's not Hawkins - Menzel is more mobile than Hawkins and can take a good grab: (I say Frost here due to mobility, OMAC has done well on Hawkins and should continue his progress). 

2. Selwood - Duck central, can pull a free or four, needs an honest tag - need consistent but fair attention: (Harmes)

3. Danger - not number 1 or 2 because he's proven to be easily spooked/emotional when tagged: - (P.S. I love you Bernie!) Need someone who could continuously annoy him and then play their own game when it breaks out: (Viney)

4. Kelly - a feeder on loose balls, I don't have an obvious identified opponent for this one...

5. Blicavs - X-factor in defence, seems to be able to intercept, pinch-hit, spoil like no other and run it out. One of our forwards needs to be aware of his mobility and figure out a vulnerability to exploit.

Ultimately - I say we back our game. Geelong tends to push the wings, short chip in the back half, and then go to traditional key position players and marking up the ground. For us, we're harder at the contest, we confuse the opponent with quick handballs and clear the stoppage. Our fire-power in front and our recent 'eyes lowered' entrances into 50 give us a good chance at putting on scoreboard pressure. Further, over the last two (2) weeks, we've demonstrated an ability to force - or at the very least - create doubt for the opponent, by applying constant pressure to the ball carrier prior to delivery, which has regularly translated into a turn-over.

However - Our ability to gut-run back, after a heavy forward press, tends to leave us open in the back-line, and creates opportunities for the adversary to capitalize on. Although we've improved in this area, it's not yet convincing and is a weakness that I don't have the knowledge or experience in how to combat. 

6. Ablett - Jones will have his measure. But a Viney chicken-wing will suffice

Happy for other views, thoughts, corrections and other issues that I've neglected.

Cheers,

DN

 

Hibberd is perfect match up for menzel. Frost to Hawkins

[kev martin 9,064]

23 minutes ago, -Ⓥ- said:

If someone does something like Franklin did to Fritsch (who got up as if it didn't happen) without some payback I'll spew

Need to get Old Testament, none of this New Testament turn the other chick bizzo.

Fritsch is a no nonsense player. Keeps his mind on the game. I think it was the umpires who let him down. If they want to stop retaliation problems it should have been a 50 and  a bit of a warning from them. They did nothing. The protected "super stars" get away with it again. No wonder the thugs win in our game. Rhetoric from AFL to set standards for the juniors. It is a joke. I hope we continue to play hard, fair and not turn to the nastiness of those prepared to assault others in order to intimidate. Punches and bullying is not acceptable in the real world. we don't have to encourage it in sport. Keeping the skilled out of the game because of those prepared to use violence. The young will copy what they see on the field of AFL. Standards should be high. I understand violence can influence  games and brings alot of emotion to the spectators BUT it is a bad role model for a society struggling with assault. 

[Webber 10,022]

18 hours ago, rjay said:

When playing I used to say to my teammates, "you don't run on your hands"...it was back when we thought we were tough and it would need to be a pretty serious upper body injury to keep you out.

Harmes & Oliver have both played within days of hand surgery, so who knows how that compares to this.' @Webber' our resident physio might have a bit more info.

Apparently the big issue for Dom is the pain management side.

Will be an interesting selection.

You’re right rjay, the landscape for return to playing after internal fixation (of non weight bearing bones) has become progressively more ambitious, and the sole determinant is now pretty much comfort, which in respect to Dom’s ulna, will relate mostly to handballing and marking. If he can do both with no loss of efficiency, he’ll be available. 

[What 18,810]

Geelongs biggest problem all season has been their bottom 6-12 players being average to poor.  They are carried by their superstars.

Caseys monster win just showed everyone how weak the Cats depth is.  

[DV8 2,271]

On 8/29/2018 at 10:58 AM, In Harmes Way said:

Anybody calling for Spargo to be dropped needs to look at the footage of the last qtr - just after his last (missed) shot for goal with about 7 mins to go, he puts Whitfield on his arse from the resultant kickin. He's got a bit of mongrel in him, as well as pace and makes good decisions (that handball assist to Jones for a goal late in the game was gold). He gut runs.....well, does everything Jeffy isn't doing really. 

Another Jason Taylor success story. Stays for mine.

Luv that little pocket rocket.. . he's a good thing.

[DV8 2,271]

On 8/29/2018 at 11:14 PM, DeezNuts said:

After watching the last two games against Geelong, here are my top 5 matchups that I'm worried about:

1. It's not Hawkins - Menzel is more mobile than Hawkins and can take a good grab: (I say Frost here due to mobility, OMAC has done well on Hawkins and should continue his progress). 

2. Selwood - Duck central, can pull a free or four, needs an honest tag - need consistent but fair attention: (Harmes)

3. Danger - not number 1 or 2 because he's proven to be easily spooked/emotional when tagged: - (P.S. I love you Bernie!) Need someone who could continuously annoy him and then play their own game when it breaks out: (Viney)

4. Kelly - a feeder on loose balls, I don't have an obvious identified opponent for this one...

5. Blicavs - X-factor in defence, seems to be able to intercept, pinch-hit, spoil like no other and run it out. One of our forwards needs to be aware of his mobility and figure out a vulnerability to exploit.

Ultimately - I say we back our game. Geelong tends to push the wings, short chip in the back half, and then go to traditional key position players and marking up the ground. For us, we're harder at the contest, we confuse the opponent with quick handballs and clear the stoppage. Our fire-power in front and our recent 'eyes lowered' entrances into 50 give us a good chance at putting on scoreboard pressure. Further, over the last two (2) weeks, we've demonstrated an ability to force - or at the very least - create doubt for the opponent, by applying constant pressure to the ball carrier prior to delivery, which has regularly translated into a turn-over.

However - Our ability to gut-run back, after a heavy forward press, tends to leave us open in the back-line, and creates opportunities for the adversary to capitalize on. Although we've improved in this area, it's not yet convincing and is a weakness that I don't have the knowledge or experience in how to combat. 

6. Ablett - Jones will have his measure. But a Viney chicken-wing will suffice

Happy for other views, thoughts, corrections and other issues that I've neglected.

Cheers,

DN

 

I think on the match-ups, >

 

I think Frost to Menzel.

Jones to Selwood.

I'd like to see Viney, if he can run out the game, go to Ablett...  and spook him, as you say... when Ablett is around the middle. - not up forward.

Harmes to take on Danger, when around the mid part of the ground. Play him close, and make him love you Harmes'y.

.

Would Joel Smith play as a defensive forward, minding Blicavs, and hurt him our way.

Harry Taylor?  another possibility for Joel Smith, as a run with role?

Fritsch, or JWagner both possibilities for Kelly?

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Edited September 1, 2018 by DV8

[FireInTheBennelly 4,024]

If Ablett goes forward I'd love to see Vanders go to him, and break him in a bonecruncher.

[640MD 2,794]

On 8/29/2018 at 10:58 AM, In Harmes Way said:

Anybody calling for Spargo to be dropped needs to look at the footage of the last qtr -                                                   

He's got a bit of mongrel in him, as well as pace and makes good decisions (that handball assist to Jones for a goal late in the game was gold).

Right in front of me the handball,  he did it without thought, grab handball one motion,  knew where it was going, you could see he had made his mind up about 1metre before he collected it, and the goal from Jones topped it off.  PURE GOLD,

Go Dees

[DV8 2,271]

Just now, FireInTheBelly said:

If Ablett goes forward I'd love to see Vanders go to him, and break him in a bonecruncher.

I forgot all about Vanders.

Does he have 'the focus', to keep it tight on that slippery eel ?

[FireInTheBennelly 4,024]

I think so, but at least you know he'll be going hard for 4 quarters. I think he'd wear Ablett down.

[greenmachine 21]

getting nervous now lol 

[buck_nekkid 5,478]

The game will be won or lost one kick on from the contest.  If we allow them to mark the ball easily, then it gives us problems.  If we make the next kick a contest and win it, then we can set up and move the ball forward, or lock it in our forward half.  We know their midfield is experienced, but an bunch of old cheaters loved by the maggots.  They have a forward in form (Hawkins) and an average defence.  We are faster and stronger than them.

Harmes goes to Danger or Selwood in the middle.  Jordan Lewis can sit on Ablett if he is forward of the ball (snail racing, anyone?).  Frost should start on Hawkins, And Pig will own Menzel.

They will be wary of Max and Oliver in their nice new blazers (AA on the pocket), and may try to use Biclavs to ruck against max to get more run in the middle.  Wonder how they are thinking of covering us?  We should throw down the gauntlet and go for it - defensive cover for only a few players of theirs, and hit them hard everywhere else with speed and brute force.

At our best, we are better and should win by >30 points.  It depends how we handle the pressure of finals.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,162]

In: Viney, Hannan, Smith

Out: Tyson, Kent, JKH

Smith back in allows Fritsch to play his more natural wing half forward position however I am unsure the match up. Tyson was just starting to play quality football with a functioning body let alone a healing arm. No need to risk him and rush him back. Hannan will be a difficult finals match up and showed in WA the damage he can do in a finals type atmosphere. 

At least its fair to say we have options. 

[Redleg 37,562]

5 minutes ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

In: Viney, Hannan, Smith

Out: Tyson, Kent, JKH

Smith back in allows Fritsch to play his more natural wing half forward position however I am unsure the match up. Tyson was just starting to play quality football with a functioning body let alone a healing arm. No need to risk him and rush him back. Hannan will be a difficult finals match up and showed in WA the damage he can do in a finals type atmosphere. 

At least its fair to say we have options. 

Big call on Joel after 1 week back in the VFL, from a collarbone/shoulder injury.

[DeezNuts 624]

Dom should keep his spot surely? 

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,162]

5 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Big call on Joel after 1 week back in the VFL, from a collarbone/shoulder injury.

They clearly love him and want him in the side. He is either mended or not and would not have lost km's in the legs.  

I reckon defensive closing speed has more meaning in finals than general season and he has it in spades. This and the ability to get Fritsch back up the ground.

[Gator 16,891]

No changes were made for the GWS game and I'm sure they'll want to make as few changes as possible for this game.

In: Viney, Hannan

Out: Kennedy-Harris, Kent

I know Kennedy-Harris has got better and contested well, and by all reports shone on the track yesterday, but he's a casualty of not quite being best 22 with a full complement of mid size players.

A confident and inform Hannan offers real X-factor to the team.

Put simply, we're better with these changes.