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2 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Wonder if Weitering's delayed concussion has kicked in yet? 

Was he hit?

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Just now, Redleg said:

Was he hit?

Copped a heavy knock to the head and their club doctor allowed him to keep playing.

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56 minutes ago, olisik said:

Absolutely inexcusable Jesse.

Getting suspended was bad enough -- I would have thought he would have been required to attend all club activities and not been given a holiday.

I hope the club come down hard on him.

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10 hours ago, Vogon Poetry said:

I was responding to someone who said that their suspension wouldn't be the difference between winning and losing.  The poster is right if we had won all our games in their absence.  We didn't and I think not having Lewis and especially Hogan impacted very significantly on yesterdays result.

Clearly I'm talking about the impact or consequence of their actions not the actions themselves.  And as we lost yesterday some posters might reflect on their initial view.

Not you though, I know that.

John Maynard Keynes is often quoted for what appears to be an apocryphal rather than actual statement he made when he said: "when the facts change, I change my ideas".

In this case though I see nothing to change. Firstly I was talking more about Lewis and the utility of his action on the day and not about Hogan or Vince. 

Interestingly listening to Lewis being interviewed by Gerard and Dwayne he mentioned the outside perception before he came to the Demons were perceived as a bit soft and this may have played into his decision to smack Cripps. It's funny how different people hear different things from the same message. I like Lewis, he doesn't put on some act to appease. He knows what success is and while he's repentent for what he's done, he's not contrite if that makes sense. 

Secondly, if we were talking about the outcome as the determination of whther I should change my opinion (and I mentioned that this shouldn't be seen as a correlation) then missing Hogan is as irrelevant as the non selection of Pedersen for first gamer Smith. Which maybe indicative of Goodwin's priorities for the year in terms of development first and if we play finals then great. 

Speaking of changing opinions I note that Freo made 6 changes to their team and won which goes against the grain slightly in terms of both the trend and their form. I'm  glad Ross pulled the trigger when he did though, at least as suporters we shouldn't be mentally jumped by a better than expected Fremantle.

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Vic health is one of our sponsors. Hope they don't drop us. Can't really afford to lose sponsors at the moment. 

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On 07/04/2017 at 4:59 PM, Vogon Poetry said:

Okay, I just don't buy it.  I know many doctors and I don't know one that would be unethical in such a situation and doing it in a high profile situation is much riskier than I think you're giving it credit for.  There is nothing in it for Carlton and nothing in it for the doctor.

I does seem that this situation gives us the opportunity to play the victim which is something I really hate but is part of the landscape (generally) now.

Dr phillip bloom cfc doctor - treated me for hamstring tendenopathy using platelet rich plasma injections a somewhat unproven treatment that bloom favours and administers

Bloom is a sports physician (more qualified) than a gp

Dr phil baressi was the previous cfc doctor and he resigned in the wake of the essendrug scandal because the pressure was on club doctors to bend rules

I worked at the college of surgeons and medicos are just as flawed as other mortals but in the case of concussion they would should be very careful

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9 hours ago, grazman said:

Secondly, if we were talking about the outcome as the determination of whther I should change my opinion (and I mentioned that this shouldn't be seen as a correlation) then missing Hogan is as irrelevant as the non selection of Pedersen for first gamer Smith.

We clearly differ but the facts are that while Pedersen and Smith were available Hogan wasn't and therefore Goodwin couldn't pick him.

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58 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

We clearly differ but the facts are that while Pedersen and Smith were available Hogan wasn't and therefore Goodwin couldn't pick him.

Ok, not having seen the match yet as I have been O/S can you tell me what % you would put on us winning the match with Hogan and out of interest what % with Pedo?

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So Paddy Ryder gets  2 weeks down to 1 whereas our guys get 3 down to 2!

Crow's doctors must have given a 'no symptoms' type of report - classed as 'low' impact.

The hate I felt for Carlton last week has just gone up a few more notches! 

They really are scum, big sooks and bad sports. 

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2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

So Paddy Ryder gets  2 weeks down to 1 whereas our guys get 3 down to 2!

Crow's doctors must have given a 'no symptoms' type of report - classed as 'low' impact.

The hate I felt for Carlton last week has just gone up a few more notches! 

They really are scum, big sooks and bad sports. 

Just as I predicted. Both on Ryder and Lyons.

The MRP put our blokes out for longer suspensions, purely and simply on the back of an obviously scathing, Blues' Doctor's report.

I thought Ryder's hit from behind and behind play was disgusting.

I defy any reasonable explanation that this gutless, dangerous act, was worth only 1 week, because luckily he didn't hurt Knight more.

In relation to the Hogan incident, it was an open hand, while his opponent was not only facing him, but pushing him backwards. The Doctor says Rowe was really sick as a result, yet the bloke plays in a wet, hard game the next week. What if the Doctor's report was wrong, it was never tested?

The MRP like so much under the control of the AFL is a joke.

PS. Don't pay holding the ball against me, as I only held it through 5 tackles and for 4 minutes.

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14 minutes ago, biggestred said:

http://m.hawthornfc.com.au/video/2017-04-09/r3-lyons-takes-out-shiels

 

How is this different from hogans?

 

This was a 1000 fine. Id argue it's worse

Obviously the most important ingredient was missing, a scathing, untested, Doctor's Report.

PS. The latest joke among the media guys is," it's only an offence if the Doctor gets involved."

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Ryder 1 week?

Lyons a fine?

Get [censored] MRP you [censored] [censored]. You can all sooth on a bag of dicks

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8 hours ago, dino rover said:

Dr phillip bloom cfc doctor - treated me for hamstring tendenopathy using platelet rich plasma injections a somewhat unproven treatment that bloom favours and administers

Bloom is a sports physician (more qualified) than a gp

Dr phil baressi was the previous cfc doctor and he resigned in the wake of the essendrug scandal because the pressure was on club doctors to bend rules

I worked at the college of surgeons and medicos are just as flawed as other mortals but in the case of concussion they would should be very careful

Interesting Dino I had the same treatment PRP into a quad insertion tendon injury and it fixed me up so well I was able to get back to sport in a mater of a month aftre being out for 4 months. PRP will start to be used more frequently in speeding up the injury healing process, particularly in blood poor areas such as tendons!

Hope your injury is fine!

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2 hours ago, grazman said:

Ok, not having seen the match yet as I have been O/S can you tell me what % you would put on us winning the match with Hogan and out of interest what % with Pedo?

Obviously more with Hogan than Pedo, I reckon we were a very good chance with Hogan because our forward structure would have been maintained and he kicks goals at Etihad.  But when you watch the game as I know you will you'll make up your own mind.  I'm surprised you couldn't find a sports bar!

 

 

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15 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Interesting Dino I had the same treatment PRP into a quad insertion tendon injury and it fixed me up so well I was able to get back to sport in a mater of a month aftre being out for 4 months. PRP will start to be used more frequently in speeding up the injury healing process, particularly in blood poor areas such as tendons!

Hope your injury is fine!

Thanks for your good wishes

Mine got better but whether it was the prp or general recovery who could say

Its off topic but some treatments are ahead of the curve unsupported by evidence base (randomized controlled trials and peer review) is that a problem - maybe because players get experimented on.

Has gawn got hamstring tendonopathy? Surgery only one path in our experience

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23 hours ago, ProDee said:

Of course.  You're welcome to [censored] a dead horse if you want.

No point in it though.

Jack Watts..........................................................:P

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3 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

Jack Watts..........................................................:P

Hi Jack.

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MRP what a joke. Ryder chases a player down the field and king hits from behind. Knights leaves ground and takes no further part in the match but the blow is considered low impact. What a difference between how Melbourne players are treated.

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33 minutes ago, John Lord said:

MRP what a joke. Ryder chases a player down the field and king hits from behind. Knights leaves ground and takes no further part in the match but the blow is considered low impact. What a difference between how Melbourne players are treated.

He was hit with 2 minutes to play so not sure you can really argue this point, even though i love it.

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On 4/9/2017 at 8:35 AM, Vogon Poetry said:

I was responding to someone who said that their suspension wouldn't be the difference between winning and losing.  The poster is right if we had won all our games in their absence.  We didn't and I think not having Lewis and especially Hogan impacted very significantly on yesterdays result.

Clearly I'm talking about the impact or consequence of their actions not the actions themselves.  And as we lost yesterday some posters might reflect on their initial view.

Not you though, I know that.

How can you possibly argue that Hogan's absence had a significant impact on the result, unless it's to suggest it allowed us so many shots on goal. We know how we played without him, which by many forward measures was really well (29 scoring shots to 3/4 time). We have no way of knowing how we would have played with him - though a pretty solid argument could be made for less front-half tackles/pressure acts and more long bombs into the f50.  

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10 minutes ago, Skuit said:

How can you possibly argue that Hogan's absence had a significant impact on the result, unless it's to suggest it allowed us so many shots on goal. We know how we played without him, which by many forward measures was really well (29 scoring shots to 3/4 time). We have no way of knowing how we would have played with him - though a pretty solid argument could be made for less front-half tackles/pressure acts and more long bombs into the f50.  

Yeh, and we should leave Hogan out when he's available and keep playing Tim Smith.

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