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Well done to the Dees who keep adding commercial partners during these financially tough times.

Some lads at it today

With all the forum speculation on who we should pick up from other clubs I thought I'd trawl my memory (and AFL Tables) for the best from each. Broken up into pre and post 2000. Only criteria is that they must have played senior footy before coming to the Dees. Andrew Leoncelli and Brett Lovett don't qualify. Adelaide - Anthony Ingerson (121 games), Bernie Vince (100 games). Crows are by far the most fertile breeding ground. Brisbane - Nick Carter (3), Joel MacDonald (44). Very limited for choice! Carlton - Philip Pinnell (28), Jeff Garlett (78). Collingwood - Peter Moore (77), Chris Dawes (50). Essendon - Ray Smith (27), Michael Hibberd (72*). Honourable mention to Ken Roberts (12) for chasing Terry Wheeler down the ground at Footscray to belt him after being on the receiving end of a squirrel grip. Fitzroy - Marcus Seecamp (89), Nil. Fremantle - Jeff White (236), Viv Michie (21). Geelong - Nigel Kol (28), Brent Moloney (122). Gold Coast - Nil, Stephen May (25*). GWS - Nil, Dom Tyson (94). Hawthorn - David Flintoff (31), Jordan Lewis (55) North Melbourne - Stepken Icke (78), Cam Pedersen (64). Triple premiership hero Ben Brown to assume this mantle in 2024. Port Adelaide - Nil, Byron Pickett (29) Richmond - Laurie Fowler (140), Ben Holland (66) St.Kilda - Carl Ditterich (82), Nil. Sydney - Jamie Duursma (33), Nil. Western Bulldogs - Brian Wilson (154), Daniel Cross (39). West Coast - Darren Bennett (74), Nil. If I get time I'll do one for players going the other way. I'm scared it will just make me depressed.

Luci, if you listen to the Glen Bartlett podcast (1/07/2020) he states that the phase 1 feasibility study is complete (which identified approx 4 possible option sites within the Melbourne Sporting Precinct) and that now the Phase 2 feasibility study is underway which focuses on the preferred option site within the Melbourne Sporting Precinct. He stated that while COVID has set the program back somewhat, it was now full steam ahead with finalising the designs for the preferred site. The MSP base will house all the football departments as well as a social club and training facilities ( training oval will not be MCG size). Casey will be a second facility with MCG size oval and indoor training facilities. He suggested that based on overseas examples, most major clubs had a city base and a second home some distance away. This is the model we have followed. Perhaps a more positive outlook now than what the 2019 annual report was able to outline at the time.

Brother to Oliie?

North Melbourne - Brownlow medallist Brian Wilson 154 games for the Demons went alright

The finger. ANTHONY Ingerson. Most will laugh but he was a very good player for us. I'm my opinion the best from another club was Jeff White.

Gawn on the Podcast said Aaron is professional as they come and it will be a big moment when he does debut for Casey and for the MFC.

I thought you had a photo of me there for a minute LH but no he has hair!!!!

The meaning is clear. We're going to push the envelope next season.

Yes if Jack Carroll was available at 18/19, we wouldn’t or shouldn’t let him fall through the Saints. He ticks all our needs and his East Freo connection with LJ and Riv would help retention of the lads.

Where I live the university has run ads asking for sporting clubs (local and professional) to give their students the same opportunities the MFC had. This is just another example of how people want to find outrage in everything, as compared to seeing something for what it is. Sorry if I offend anyone with the type of font I'm using.

I really don't get the outrage. if you want to work in a highly competitive area you need to go the extra mile. Volunteering a couple of days a week at an AFL club is a great opportunity. not like the course you would do is 40 hrs per week. disgusting/mind-blowing?! if you don't want to do it, don't do it. All clubs have been sacking coaches and FD staff and are seeing if any keen graduates are up for an opportunity.

Yep great stuff. Another factor to look at is where our second rounder ends up. Brisbane and Hawthorn both have picks in-between our picks 19 and 28. In my phantom draft I had us bidding on Downie (Hawthorn NGA) and Coleman (Brisbane NGA) because it makes sense on a need basis but the double advantage to is that the Hawks and Lions will lose their those second round picks in-between ours if they match those bids (which they most likely will), which essentially means there will be 2 extra players in the pool when our pick 28 comes around. So if they don't match those bids, great we get an outside runner and a small forward, if they do match the bids, great we get 2 extra players to pick from with our second rounder.

Some really interesting tidbits in this article here. https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/swans-commit-to-bid-on-ugle-hagan-if-he-s-available-at-pick-no-3-20201201-p56jjs.html Mentions that a bid on JUH will come no later than pick 3 with Sydney a certainty to bid on him if he still there although Adelaide and North also likely to bid. Braeden Campbell, the swans academy player allegedly won't slide past Adelaide's pick 9 for a bid. Collingwood are allegedly weighing up placing a bid on Blake Coleman, Lions Academy player, with one of their two first round picks. Perhaps the best part for us Dees fans could come courtesy of everyone's favourite 2nd team the Bombers . Reef McInnes, who the pies are wanting to get past their first 2 selections, is reportedly coming into strong consideration for one of the bombers first 3 picks. Pies will then have a big decision to make on whether they match this or not. There's obviously a lot that can still play out here and much can change with draft picks still able to be traded, but it's interesting to run through some hypothetical scenarios nonetheless. Bare with me here and hopefully this makes sense. Say both JUH and Campbell are taken prior to the bombers selections as has been frequently suggested by various phantom drafts. This pushes the bombers picks from 6, 7 and 8 out to 8, 9 and 10. Collingwoods hand moves out from 14 and 16 to at least 16 and 18. A bid for Lachie Jones could also come in amongst the bombers selections but to keep things a bit simpler I will leave that out of the equation. Bombers now have 8, 9 and 10. Pies have 16 and 18. I'll be a little generous to the pies here and run with Bombers placing a bid on McInnes at pick 10 instead of pick 8 or 9. Pick 10 is worth 1395 points, Pies get a 20% discount to match meaning they need to make up 1116 points. Their pick 16 is worth 1067 points meaning they will still need to make up the difference of 49 points. Pick 18 is worth 985 points, remove 49 from this figure and pick 18 gets pushed out to pick 20. Making sense? Looking at our draft hand, our picks have theoretically moved from selections 18, 19 out to 21, 22 with these 4 academy bids noting that Collingwoods first pick was ahead of ours. So what's left in the wash up of this scenario? Collingwood would be hoping for a scenario where a bid for McInnes is placed after their second pick, meaning they get Pick 14, 16 and McInnes. What will happen instead is they will get McInnes and pick 20 essentially stripping them of a "bonus" first round pick and pushing out their later selection. And lets face it, anything that hinders the pies is a happy news for everyone. Our picks of 18 and 19 end up being 21 and 22. The real benefit for us here is the fact that there will be an extra player in the draft pool for us to to make our selection from, thus increasing the chances of a player like Carroll or whoever it may be to slip through to us. Now there are obviously multiple scenarios that could also play out here including the pies trading out their selections or choosing to not match the bid at all, instead take their two first rounders to the draft. Either way, this leaves us in a better position in my opinion. This scenario also gets better for us if the Bombers place a bid with one of their earlier picks. Hopefully that made sense and my calculations are correct.

Slow news day

I disagree about the sentiments on the adversitment. If I was at uni /younger and wanted experience in those fields or recently graduated, I would jump at this opportunity. (besides being at the Dee's). The skills and networking to break into a tough industry would be immense. While I agree you get paid for what work you do, its up front and clear on what you need give and you'll get in return, and I can say to a future employee this in my track record working within an "elite" sporting organisation and what I helped achieve. Beats putting only Macca's/subway on a resume. I imagine in the past this would have been arranged directly with a university as part of their academic program. (Been involved in those in the past). Maybe covid has changed that and it presents an opportunity for others to get in.

Yeah next year mate, alongside Taj Woewodin.

Makes some sense why it was deleted then!

At least they were able to replace the lost sponsorship.

We should all be drinking only Aussie wine post China’s attack on our local industry. looks like I’ve got another reason to drink bleasdale wines as well now!

Absolute malicious rubbish. it is intended to get graduates, that is what the ad calls for, graduates. three to four of them to work for free. It has no connection to an academic facility or professional program. It has been condemned and rightly so.

Bizzell from Geelong; despite being cut down by injury I still like him better than Moloney who I'm convinced got in the way of other's development for the sake of his stats and status.

exactly our fate is sealed and our papers stamped

@Gawndog98i see in your latest draft you have the Gold Coast passing on their second round pick ( currently pick 27) due to their free pick ups. Just seems a waste surely they will swap it out somehow. I see Cal Twomey has GWS as a possibility to taking Hawks academy player Downie at pick 20. What’s your thoughts on a 3 way trade involving our pick 19 going out along with pick 50, we get 24&27 and GC get hawks future 3rd? ( Hawks have already traded out their future 4th so I’m not sure if they are allowed to trade another future)

Storm in a tea cup. Ad wording was poor but this type of thing is extremely common in professional industries. I am with a decent sized financial advice firm and we have had a number of uni graduates do work experience with us, typically for 3 months. It's becoming harder and harder to live in this PC, media saturated world.

Undoubtedly the government needs to be involved. But I don't see how the government leading the project works in our favour. Having worked as a consultant to various organisations I would never advise a client to hand over a project to a government (of any persuasion). There are other ways to work (jointly) with them eg: Agree project plan and parameters with the government upfront: preferred location 1, 2 and 3 broad based feasibility of each option community benefit needs/obstacles identify community stake holders for each preferred location community consultation processes timelines to update government decision makers/stake holders at key milestones secondment of government staff to an MFC led working party broad budget parameters etc etc I would have thought the first 4 were done during Peter Jackson's reign. If the parameters above are agreed upfront there is no reason why a project can't run smoothly. Sure there will be obstacles but having a good project plan enables those to be worked through at the right time. Then we get the work done at MFC tempo and priorities and not anyone else. That Pert can't keep members updated is an indictment of handing over control. As I said in my earlier post I do not understand how it came to that. At the members forum this is the primary question that requires an answer.

In describing Mahoney's new role Pert said: "Josh will be a key part of the government led working party for the new home base development..." I cringed at the government leading the working party for our home base. The government has other priorities and at best it moves at glacial pace. I have no idea how this critical development went from an mfc owned program to one run by a government working party. I understand the need to get governments on-side but I would think that would be to evaluate and then endorse our preferred options not to hand over control of the whole process. I now have less hope of us getting a home base than ever before.

This will go a long way in gaining Government Assistance for a Home Base This Club has absolutely no idea about Marketing itself It is almost Laughable

https://www.afl.com.au/news/525076/statement-players-afl-confirm-new-pay-deal-for-2021 It's on the AFL website too And yes, clubs that don't have 2 cat B rookies are penalised and need to (if they see fit) go out and find 2.

Fantastic from the club Get involved Its not about the money Imagine the skills these volunteers will accrue Wonderful initiative get it going

Whoever drafted the advertisement and or approved the final copy should be admonished. The opportunity is a really good one. As an undergraduate I would have applied in my day.

The mock draft you’re referring to was done on this week’s AFL Road to the Draft podcast. The aim was to select players for each club aligning to their list needs. Here’s how it panned out - 1. Adelaide Riley Thilthorpe 2. Western Bulldogs Jamara Ugle-Hagan * 3. North Logan McDonald 4. Sydney Elijah Hollands 5. Hawthorn Denver Granger Baras 6. Gold Coast Archie Perkins 7. Essendon Will Phillips 8. Essendon Oliver Henry 9. Sydney Braeden Campbell * 10. Port Adelaide Lachie Jones * 11. Essendon Nik Cox 12. Adelaide Finlay Macrae 13. GWS Giants Zach Reid 14. North Melbourne Heath Chapman 15. Fremantle Tanner Bruhn 16. GWS Giants Tom Powell 17. Collingwood Brayden Cook 18. Sydney Errol Gulden * 19. GWS Giants Sam Berry 20. Collingwood Caleb Poulter 21. Richmond Nathan O’Driscoll 22. Collingwood Reef McInnes 23. Melbourne Jack Carroll 24. Melbourne Connor Stone 25. GWS Giants Bailey Laurie 26. St Kilda Jake Bowey * matched academy bids LISTEN: First-round mock draft based on club needs

It might be because Lockhart has been on the Rookie list for the maximum 3 years?

If it's work that needs doing it needs to be paid for.

Sam Fisher (Swan Districts) has spoken to the MFC Recruitment team.

Lockhart’s close to a regular player compared with JJ who hasn’t played. Isn’t that enough?

I thought it was reported we were going for Billing’s if we kept the pick (in which case we definitely made the right choice)

Don't like it on so many levels

Geez Josh Kelly is a bit of a myth isn't he

Here’s hoping

Not sure how anyone could be negative about this trade. Brown is the most productive forward we've had since Neitz, and we essentially traded him in for a pick in the 30s. We basically traded Preuss (a 25 year old ruckman played 10 games) for Brown (a 27 year old key forward played 130 games for 287 goals). Even if Brown goes at 50% of his peak output, he'd still be our leading goal kicker! On paper, it's possibly the best trade the club has done this century. F*cking stoked we pulled it off!

The Club is taking a bit of a bashing on social media today. See advert: (Mods: Delete/Merge if appropriate)

Only a matter of time before the mfc could find a way to be in the news again for the wrong reasons ... was happy seeing the pies implode with the treloar mess

I was intrigued by this myself the other day and went through a fair few phantom drafts to determine where players would be bid on, the points that would be required and the picks that would be eaten up to equal the bid. Unfortunately, by my calculations it wasn't as favorable as i thought it would be for our later picks. You mention that the doggies will have to use pick 26 on JUH which will bring in our picks 28 and 50. However, I don't think you have taken into account that the doggies will essentially just move their pick 26 up to pick 1-3. Meaning, that our pick 28 would stay where it is based on that factor alone as all the other picks from the bid on wards would be shunted back a position until 27 which would remain the same. The good part (that you mentioned already) is that the Doggies later picks in this bid would also be used up, meaning that 31, 41 and 42 would likely get used up too. The sad part is that there are a large amount of academy kids who are predicted to be taken in the 2nd and 3rd rounds too... The gains that we make up from the Doggies picks etc are not as good as once again our late pick gets pushed back. I was going to type up my notes, but its not 100% accurate with the trades that have gone on since trade week, but essentially I had worked out our picks to likely fall this way 18+4=22 19+4=23 28+6-1=33 (realistically it will be 34 now that the doggies have traded pick 26) 50+11-16=45 So really we lose out except for pick 50 which comes in 5 places :(

I don't know where the Bulldogs get their info. The AFL rules: list-sizes-revealed "The maximum list size for next year have been reduced from 47 to 44 which includes the ability to list up to two Category B rookies. The minimum list size for each club will be 37, which can be made up by as little as 36 senior listed players and one rookie. To reach 44, clubs can carry 36-38 senior listed players, four-to-six Category A rookies and two Category B rookies". As I said there are various list type mix to get to 44 while staying within the limits of each list type: So @spirit of norm smithexample of "we can have 44 being 38 primary list, 5 rookies and Bradtke as cat B" is correct. Another example is 36 senior list, 6 A rookies and 2 B rookies to reach 44. Or if, a club has no B rookies there is nothing to stop it having 38 senior players and 6 A rookies to a max of 44. Were it otherwise this club would be penalised with a smaller list of 42 vs other clubs simply because it has no B rookies. ...and so on.

Interesting tidbit. Climate science is only really political in the US and Australia. Germany, the UK, Canada etc all believe in the science. I suspect most of the US and Australian politicians do too, but they're paid very well to do the opposite. And @DeeSpencer, yeah, Punt Road is one of the busiest roads in Melbourne. Lots of eyes on that site each day.