Operation: Get English

[Pennant St Dee 11,279]

4 minutes ago, Left Foot Snap said:

Wasn't McEvoy a top ten pick?

 

4 minutes ago, Jontee said:

McEvoy was picl 9 but Cox was a rookie (wow).  Toby is an interesting one, passed over in his draft year but went pick 35 the year after to the the Sydney Sods.....

 

I’ll stand corrected on McEvoy but certainly a bit of a wasted pick for the Saints, traded him off for a pick in the teens and Shane Savage.

However I think it backs up my point, and whilst drafting in hindsight is easy Saints could have taken Mumford who went as a rookie and any of the players left on the table in place of McEvoy, namely

Dangerfield, Cyril Rioli, Robbie Tarrant, Alex Rance, Easton Wood, Scott Thompson (would have been handy in the 09/10 backline), Callan Ward or Cale Hooker

[dazzledavey36 48,772]

 

[Diamond_Jim 11,772]

15 hours ago, drdrake said:

West Coast Eagles will get him

Think you're right assuming they can show him a decent plan to improve the team across the board. He'll get $$ but what the West also offers is the outside dollars. Radio, newspaper and sponsorship opps adding another $200k plus a year.

Bulldogs also have to deal with the JUH contract renewal saga

[Tolstoys Nudge 1,239]

16 hours ago, Lefty said:

We are in desperate need of a ruckman that can take over from Max but our first major operation needs to be a key forward. BBB and TMac are in their twilights. Petty looks certain to head back to Adelaide at season's end if the 2023 trade week whispers are true and the jury is out on Jefferson. JVR can't do it alone and if he gets a whiff of home sickness in the coming years we are toast.

The window is slowly shutting if we can't replenish our forward and ruck stocks.

Max ain’t going anywhere for 3-4yrs yet — we need to lure someone once he’s nearing end, can’t happen sooner for obv reasons 

[Left Foot Snap 1,893]

48 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

 

I’ll stand corrected on McEvoy but certainly a bit of a wasted pick for the Saints, traded him off for a pick in the teens and Shane Savage.

However I think it backs up my point, and whilst drafting in hindsight is easy Saints could have taken Mumford who went as a rookie and any of the players left on the table in place of McEvoy, namely

Dangerfield, Cyril Rioli, Robbie Tarrant, Alex Rance, Easton Wood, Scott Thompson (would have been handy in the 09/10 backline), Callan Ward or Cale Hooker

Nothing to do with your argument,  but I have vague recollections of the Saints hoping McEvoy would become a forward.

[TheWiz 692]

11 hours ago, Palace Dees said:

Very generous to say Pruess has done well. 10 games in 3 years - all in 2022. When he's not injured, he's suspended.  

He did do his shoulder in 2021 and back in 2023.

Interesting stat for 2022 is that his average hit outs was 32.6 compared to Gawn’s 27.0…

[Pennant St Dee 11,279]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

I expect moving forward their ruck forward combo is Flynn and Bailey Williams,.

Midfield depth is what they will look to build on in their list build Yeo, Reddan, Shuey all to be replaced, Sheeds body isn’t great outside run in the old Gaff, Masten and Darling/Kennedy replacement to partner Oscar Allen all needed although I do like the potential in Jack Williams.

 don’t think English will be as big a target for them as he was in 2022

Could be wrong but just MO

[spirit of norm smith 12,919]

Free agents ?  Only Sydney’s Ollie Florent is realistically any target in my view.  Others are too expensive, too old , not good enough , not a good fit or not required.  Florent has skills and pace.  Offer him a 4 year deal and press the Swans into serious coin to keep him.  

[58er 5,608]

1 hour ago, TheWiz said:

He did do his shoulder in 2021 and back in 2023.

Interesting stat for 2022 is that his average hit outs was 32.6 compared to Gawn’s 27.0…

And his goals his hand passes his kicks his shepherds his captaincy his care for the Club and all players 

Dont  think we’ll miss his 5 hit outs!!!! 

[TheWiz 692]

4 minutes ago, 58er said:

And his goals his hand passes his kicks his shepherds his captaincy his care for the Club and all players 

Dont  think we’ll miss his 5 hit outs!!!! 

100% agree!

Was just referencing Gawn as I think he is the best ruck, a known player to us, and also Preuss moved from Melbourne to GWS so a relevant comparison to my previous point about GWS’ ruck coaching and recruiting.

[Demonland 64,963]

2 hours ago, TheWiz said:

He did do his shoulder in 2021 and back in 2023.

Interesting stat for 2022 is that his average hit outs was 32.6 compared to Gawn’s 27.0…

Here are all the Hitout Ratings for 2022 as average hitouts don't paint the entire picture. Max played 22 games and Preuss played 10. Jackson also played 22 games (1 or 2 without Max)

Rating points

1. Tim English (Western Bulldogs) - 15.7

2. Jarrod Witts (Gold Coast) - 14.8

3. Max Gawn (Melbourne) - 14.5

4. Matt Flynn (GWS) - 13.4

5. Scott Lycett (Port Adelaide) - 13.3

6. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 13.1

7. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) - 13.1

8. Peter Ladhams (Sydney) - 12.9

9. Nic Naitanui (West Coast) - 12.9

10. Reilly O'Brien (Adelaide) - 12.5

Score Involvements

1. Tim English (Western Bulldogs) - 7.6

2. Peter Ladhams (Sydney) - 6.5

3. Sean Darcy (Fremantle) - 5.8

4. Rhys Stanley (Geelong) - 5.7

5. Max Gawn (Melbourne) - 5.6

6. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 5.5

7. Luke Jackson (Melbourne) - 5.2

8. Sam Draper (Essendon) - 5.0

9. Reilly O'Brien (Adelaide) - 4.9

10. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) - 4.8

10. Rowan Marshall (St Kilda) - 4.8

Clearances

1. Tom Hickey (Sydney) - 6.0

2. Tim English (Western Bulldogs) - 6.0

3. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) - 5.5

4. Nic Naitanui (West Coast) - 5.3

5. Max Gawn (Melbourne) - 5.0

6. Sean Darcy (Fremantle) - 4.8

7. Peter Ladhams (Sydney) - 4.5

8. Oscar McInerney (Brisbane) - 4.3

9. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 4.2

10. Scott Lycett (Port Adelaide) - 4.2

Hitouts

1. Jarrod Witts (Gold Coast) - 37.4

2. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 36.5

3. Reilly O'Brien (Adelaide) - 31.9

4. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) - 30.3

5. Nic Naitanui (West Coast) - 29.7

6. Peter Ladhams (Sydney) - 27.8

7. Sam Draper (Essendon) - 27.4

8. Max Gawn (Melbourne) - 27.4

9. Sam Hayes (Port Adelaide) - 26.3

10. Toby Nankervis (Richmond) - 25.3

Hitouts Win %

1. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 56.8

2. Paddy Ryder (St Kilda) - 54.5

3. Max Gawn (Melbourne) - 53.5

4. Nic Naitanui (West Coast) - 53.0

5. Andrew Phillips (Essendon) - 51.2

6. Jarrod Witts (Gold Coast) - 50.7

7. Toby Nankervis (Richmond) - 50.1

8. Todd Goldstein (North Melbourne) - 50.0

9. Ivan Soldo (Richmond) - 49.5

10. Ned Reeves (Hawthorn) - 47.8

Hitouts to Advantage %

1. Marc Pittonet (Carlton) - 44.2

2. Jarrod Witts (Gold Coast) - 38.9

3. Sean Darcy (Fremantle) - 38.4

4. Matt Flynn (GWS) - 37.9

5. Scott Lycett (Port Adelaide) - 36.5

6. Ivan Soldo (Richmond) - 36.0

7. Sam Hayes (Port Adelaide) - 35.4

8. Tom De Koning (Carlton) - 35.4

9. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 32.9

10. Tom Hickey (Sydney) - 32.9

Sharked Hitouts %

1. Ivan Soldo (Richmond) - 36.0

2. Luke Jackson (Melbourne) - 31.7

3. Sam Draper (Essendon) - 27.6

4, Oscar McInerny (Brisbane) - 26.5

5. Lloyd Meek (Fremantle) - 26.1

6. Rhys Stanley (Geelong) - 26.1

7. Rowan Marshall (St Kilda) - 25.9

8. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) - 25.3

9. Hugh Dixon (West Coast) - 25

10. Reilly O'Brien (Adelaide) - 24.7

Hitouts to Score %

1. Marc Pittonet (Carlton) - 13.7

2. Peter Ladhams (Sydney) - 12.6

3. Max Lynch (Hawthorn) - 12.5

4. Scott Lycett (Port Adelaide) - 12.5

5. Paddy Ryder (St Kilda) - 12.2

6. Ivan Soldo (Richmond) - 12.0

7. Sean Darcy (Fremantle) - 11.6

8. Rhys Stanley (Geelong) - 11.5

9. Lloyd Meek (Fremantle) - 11.4

10. Tom De Koning (Carlton) - 11.0

10. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 11.0

Hitouts to Opposition Score %

1. Ivan Soldo (Richmond) - 22.0

2. Sam Draper (Essendon) - 12.0

3. Tom Hickey (Sydney) - 11.0

4. Hugh Dixon (West Coast) - 10.7

5. Nic Naitanui (West Coast) - 10.1

6. Luke Jackson (Melbourne) - 10.0

7. Paddy Ryder (St Kilda) - 9.5

8. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) - 9.3

9. Max Gawn (Melbourne) - 8.9

10. Oscar McInerny (Brisbane) - 8.0

Clearance to Team Score % (Best teams at converting from clearances)

1. Geelong (29.1)
2. Collingwood (27.8)
3. Hawthorn (27.7)
4. Carlton (26.7)
5. Adelaide (26.0)
6. Melbourne (25.9)
7. Richmond (25.40
8. Sydney (25.3)
9. GWS (25.1)
10. Western Bulldogs (25.0)
11. Essendon (24.5)
12. Brisbane (23.9)
13. St Kilda (23.6)
14. Fremantle (22.9)
15. West Coast (22.5)
16. Port Adelaide (21.8)
17. North Melbourne (20.1)
18. Gold Coast (19.5)

Opposition Clearance to Score % (Worst teams at defending clearances)

1. Richmond (31.5)
2. Essendon (27.7)
3. North Melbourne (27.5)
4. West Coast (26.1)
5. Sydney (26.0)
6. Gold Coast (25.4)
7. Adelaide (25.1)
8. Carlton (24.5)
9. Hawthorn (24.4)
10. Fremantle (23.8)
11. Melbourne (23.3)
12. Brisbane (23.3)
13. Collingwood (22.8)
14. Geelong (22.7)
15. GWS (22.7)
16. Western Bulldogs (22.5)
17. Port Adelaide (21.4)
18. St Kilda (21.3)

[TheWiz 692]

24 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Here are all the Hitout Ratings for 2022 as average hitouts don't paint the entire picture. Max played 22 games and Preuss played 10. Jackson also played 22 games (1 or 2 without Max)

Rating points

1. Tim English (Western Bulldogs) - 15.7

2. Jarrod Witts (Gold Coast) - 14.8

3. Max Gawn (Melbourne) - 14.5

4. Matt Flynn (GWS) - 13.4

5. Scott Lycett (Port Adelaide) - 13.3

6. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 13.1

7. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) - 13.1

8. Peter Ladhams (Sydney) - 12.9

9. Nic Naitanui (West Coast) - 12.9

10. Reilly O'Brien (Adelaide) - 12.5

Score Involvements

1. Tim English (Western Bulldogs) - 7.6

2. Peter Ladhams (Sydney) - 6.5

3. Sean Darcy (Fremantle) - 5.8

4. Rhys Stanley (Geelong) - 5.7

5. Max Gawn (Melbourne) - 5.6

6. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 5.5

7. Luke Jackson (Melbourne) - 5.2

8. Sam Draper (Essendon) - 5.0

9. Reilly O'Brien (Adelaide) - 4.9

10. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) - 4.8

10. Rowan Marshall (St Kilda) - 4.8

Clearances

1. Tom Hickey (Sydney) - 6.0

2. Tim English (Western Bulldogs) - 6.0

3. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) - 5.5

4. Nic Naitanui (West Coast) - 5.3

5. Max Gawn (Melbourne) - 5.0

6. Sean Darcy (Fremantle) - 4.8

7. Peter Ladhams (Sydney) - 4.5

8. Oscar McInerney (Brisbane) - 4.3

9. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 4.2

10. Scott Lycett (Port Adelaide) - 4.2

Hitouts

1. Jarrod Witts (Gold Coast) - 37.4

2. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 36.5

3. Reilly O'Brien (Adelaide) - 31.9

4. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) - 30.3

5. Nic Naitanui (West Coast) - 29.7

6. Peter Ladhams (Sydney) - 27.8

7. Sam Draper (Essendon) - 27.4

8. Max Gawn (Melbourne) - 27.4

9. Sam Hayes (Port Adelaide) - 26.3

10. Toby Nankervis (Richmond) - 25.3

Hitouts Win %

1. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 56.8

2. Paddy Ryder (St Kilda) - 54.5

3. Max Gawn (Melbourne) - 53.5

4. Nic Naitanui (West Coast) - 53.0

5. Andrew Phillips (Essendon) - 51.2

6. Jarrod Witts (Gold Coast) - 50.7

7. Toby Nankervis (Richmond) - 50.1

8. Todd Goldstein (North Melbourne) - 50.0

9. Ivan Soldo (Richmond) - 49.5

10. Ned Reeves (Hawthorn) - 47.8

Hitouts to Advantage %

1. Marc Pittonet (Carlton) - 44.2

2. Jarrod Witts (Gold Coast) - 38.9

3. Sean Darcy (Fremantle) - 38.4

4. Matt Flynn (GWS) - 37.9

5. Scott Lycett (Port Adelaide) - 36.5

6. Ivan Soldo (Richmond) - 36.0

7. Sam Hayes (Port Adelaide) - 35.4

8. Tom De Koning (Carlton) - 35.4

9. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 32.9

10. Tom Hickey (Sydney) - 32.9

Sharked Hitouts %

1. Ivan Soldo (Richmond) - 36.0

2. Luke Jackson (Melbourne) - 31.7

3. Sam Draper (Essendon) - 27.6

4, Oscar McInerny (Brisbane) - 26.5

5. Lloyd Meek (Fremantle) - 26.1

6. Rhys Stanley (Geelong) - 26.1

7. Rowan Marshall (St Kilda) - 25.9

8. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) - 25.3

9. Hugh Dixon (West Coast) - 25

10. Reilly O'Brien (Adelaide) - 24.7

Hitouts to Score %

1. Marc Pittonet (Carlton) - 13.7

2. Peter Ladhams (Sydney) - 12.6

3. Max Lynch (Hawthorn) - 12.5

4. Scott Lycett (Port Adelaide) - 12.5

5. Paddy Ryder (St Kilda) - 12.2

6. Ivan Soldo (Richmond) - 12.0

7. Sean Darcy (Fremantle) - 11.6

8. Rhys Stanley (Geelong) - 11.5

9. Lloyd Meek (Fremantle) - 11.4

10. Tom De Koning (Carlton) - 11.0

10. Braydon Preuss (GWS) - 11.0

Hitouts to Opposition Score %

1. Ivan Soldo (Richmond) - 22.0

2. Sam Draper (Essendon) - 12.0

3. Tom Hickey (Sydney) - 11.0

4. Hugh Dixon (West Coast) - 10.7

5. Nic Naitanui (West Coast) - 10.1

6. Luke Jackson (Melbourne) - 10.0

7. Paddy Ryder (St Kilda) - 9.5

8. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood) - 9.3

9. Max Gawn (Melbourne) - 8.9

10. Oscar McInerny (Brisbane) - 8.0

Clearance to Team Score % (Best teams at converting from clearances)

1. Geelong (29.1)
2. Collingwood (27.8)
3. Hawthorn (27.7)
4. Carlton (26.7)
5. Adelaide (26.0)
6. Melbourne (25.9)
7. Richmond (25.40
8. Sydney (25.3)
9. GWS (25.1)
10. Western Bulldogs (25.0)
11. Essendon (24.5)
12. Brisbane (23.9)
13. St Kilda (23.6)
14. Fremantle (22.9)
15. West Coast (22.5)
16. Port Adelaide (21.8)
17. North Melbourne (20.1)
18. Gold Coast (19.5)

Opposition Clearance to Score % (Worst teams at defending clearances)

1. Richmond (31.5)
2. Essendon (27.7)
3. North Melbourne (27.5)
4. West Coast (26.1)
5. Sydney (26.0)
6. Gold Coast (25.4)
7. Adelaide (25.1)
8. Carlton (24.5)
9. Hawthorn (24.4)
10. Fremantle (23.8)
11. Melbourne (23.3)
12. Brisbane (23.3)
13. Collingwood (22.8)
14. Geelong (22.7)
15. GWS (22.7)
16. Western Bulldogs (22.5)
17. Port Adelaide (21.4)
18. St Kilda (21.3)

Oooft this is fantastic - thank you.

What’s your source? Would love to dig into this further and look at intercept marks and tackles as well

What’s really interesting from this stats  is Grundy’s rankings too.

[Demonland 64,963]

4 minutes ago, TheWiz said:

Oooft this is fantastic - thank you.

What’s your source? Would love to dig into this further and look at intercept marks and tackles as well

What’s really interesting from this stats  is Grundy’s rankings too.

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/33846910/afl-2022-champion-data-deep-dive-ruckman-valuable-overrated-best-rucks-afl-revealed

Couldn't find a similar breakdown for 2023.

@WheeloRatings do you have some 2023 ruck stats?

[Nascent 7,283]

5 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Would happily take Barnett off their hands if they land English.

[drdrake 3,038]

2 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

I expect moving forward their ruck forward combo is Flynn and Bailey Williams,.

Midfield depth is what they will look to build on in their list build Yeo, Reddan, Shuey all to be replaced, Sheeds body isn’t great outside run in the old Gaff, Masten and Darling/Kennedy replacement to partner Oscar Allen all needed although I do like the potential in Jack Williams.

 don’t think English will be as big a target for them as he was in 2022

Could be wrong but just MO

They would have asked the question but I don't think they would have had the cap space in 2022, a few players on big money not playing much.

Clearing out NicNat, Shuey, Hurn add on what you expect lower contracts for Yeo, McGovern and Kelly when they renegotiate, Gaff is cooked most likely last contract and all of the sudden they have some coin to spend going forward.

To me he is either staying in the West or moving further West.  

[Little Goffy 12,577]

Just going to drop in that JVR is tracking better than JUH so far.

Personally I think it is amazing for Van Rooyen to have done so well while taking opposition first defenders most of the time, compared to JUH who had the marking target support of Naughton, Lobb and English.

Jamarra's no slouch, but Van Rooyen is an effective primary marking target at 20yrs and that takes some doing!

They would partner up very well, too.

[WheeloRatings 910]

15 hours ago, Demonland said:

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/33846910/afl-2022-champion-data-deep-dive-ruckman-valuable-overrated-best-rucks-afl-revealed

Couldn't find a similar breakdown for 2023.

@WheeloRatings do you have some 2023 ruck stats?

@TheWiz

I have most of the stats from that article. Here are the top 10 rucks across the various stats in 2023, and I have also included a table at the end comparing all rucks in 2023 with 10+ matches (note the text in the table may wrap on a mobile device).

Rating Points
 1 | 16.5 | Tim English (WB)
 2 | 15.3 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 3 | 15.0 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 4 | 13.9 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 5 | 13.8 | Todd Goldstein (NM)
 6 | 13.3 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
 7 | 13.3 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 8 | 13.2 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 9 | 13.1 | Oscar McInerney (Bris)
10 | 13.1 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)

Score Involvement %
 1 | 26.7 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
 2 | 25.5 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 3 | 22.7 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 4 | 22.6 | Tim English (WB)
 5 | 21.2 | Sam Draper (Ess)
 6 | 20.9 | Hayden McLean (Syd)
 7 | 19.8 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 8 | 19.4 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
 9 | 19.2 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
10 | 18.9 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)

Metres Gained
 1 | 280.7 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 2 | 263.4 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 3 | 262.4 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 4 | 255.0 | Tim English (WB)
 5 | 221.3 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)
 6 | 210.0 | Sam Draper (Ess)
 7 | 200.2 | Oscar McInerney (Bris)
 8 | 199.1 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
 9 | 182.1 | Tom De Koning (Carl)
10 | 175.6 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)

Marks
 1 | 6.3 | Tim English (WB)
 2 | 5.2 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 3 | 4.6 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 4 | 4.4 | Hayden McLean (Syd)
 5 | 3.6 | Mason Cox (Coll)
 6 | 3.4 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)
 6 | 3.4 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
 8 | 3.4 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 9 | 3.4 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
10 | 2.9 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)

Contested Marks
 1 | 2.3 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 2 | 1.5 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 3 | 1.5 | Mason Cox (Coll)
 4 | 1.5 | Hayden McLean (Syd)
 5 | 1.5 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 6 | 1.4 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)
 7 | 1.4 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
 8 | 1.3 | Tim English (WB)
 9 | 1.2 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
10 | 1.1 | Sam Draper (Ess)

Intercept Marks
 1 | 2.0 | Tim English (WB)
 2 | 1.9 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 3 | 1.5 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)
 4 | 1.4 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
 5 | 1.4 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 6 | 1.3 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 7 | 1.1 | Todd Goldstein (NM)
 8 | 1.1 | Brodie Grundy (Melb)
 9 | 1.0 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
10 | 1.0 | Luke Jackson (Frem)

Clearances
 1 | 6.5 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 2 | 5.6 | Oscar McInerney (Bris)
 3 | 5.0 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 4 | 4.3 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)
 4 | 4.3 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 6 | 4.3 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 7 | 4.2 | Bailey J. Williams (WC)
 8 | 4.2 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)
 9 | 4.1 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
10 | 4.0 | Scott Lycett (Port)

Tackles
 1 | 5.5 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)
 2 | 4.8 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 3 | 4.6 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)
 4 | 4.5 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 5 | 4.3 | Tim English (WB)
 6 | 3.7 | Scott Lycett (Port)
 7 | 3.6 | Lloyd Meek (Haw)
 8 | 3.5 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
 9 | 3.4 | Bailey J. Williams (WC)
10 | 3.2 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
23 | 2.0 | Max Gawn (Melb)

Hitouts
 1 | 39.2 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 2 | 39.1 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 3 | 38.6 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)
 4 | 33.8 | Oscar McInerney (Bris)
 5 | 32.5 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)
 6 | 31.2 | Tim English (WB)
 7 | 29.2 | Todd Goldstein (NM)
 8 | 28.3 | Rhys Stanley (Geel)
 9 | 28.2 | Ned Reeves (Haw)
10 | 27.6 | Bailey J. Williams (WC)
14 | 25.7 | Max Gawn (Melb)

Hitouts Win %
 1 | 56.8 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 2 | 50.7 | Andrew Phillips (Ess)
 3 | 50.0 | Ned Reeves (Haw)
 4 | 49.6 | Mason Cox (Coll)
 5 | 49.5 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 6 | 49.5 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)
 7 | 49.0 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 8 | 47.9 | Brodie Grundy (Melb)
 9 | 47.7 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)
10 | 46.6 | Samson Ryan (Rich)

Hitouts To Advantage %
 1 | 38.0 | Samson Ryan (Rich)
 2 | 35.0 | Marc Pittonet (Carl)
 3 | 33.8 | Tim English (WB)
 4 | 33.4 | Todd Goldstein (NM)
 5 | 32.7 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 6 | 31.6 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 7 | 30.7 | Ned Reeves (Haw)
 8 | 30.4 | Ben Miller (Rich)
 9 | 30.4 | Brodie Grundy (Melb)
10 | 30.1 | Sam Draper (Ess)
11 | 30.1 | Max Gawn (Melb)

 

Ruck Stats, 2023, 10+ matches

Legend
Mt: Matches
TOG: Time on ground %
RP: Rating Points
D: Disposals
MG: Metres Gained
CBA %: Centre Bounce Attendance %
CL: Clearances
Mk: Marks
CM: Contested Marks
IM: Intercept Marks
G: Goals
SI %: Score Involvements % (out of all team scores)
T: Tackles
RC%: Ruck Contest %
HO: Hitouts
HO Win %: Hitouts win %
HO Adv %: Hitouts to advantage %

	Mt	TOG	RP	D	MG	CBA %	CL	Mk	CM	IM	G	SI %	T	RC%	HO	HO Win%	HO Adv%
Tim English (WB)	23	85.9	16.5	19.1	255.0	83.7	3.2	6.3	1.3	2.0	16	22.6	4.3	76.8	31.2	39.5	33.8
Rowan Marshall (St K)	24	84.5	15.3	20.5	280.7	86.7	5.0	5.2	1.5	1.9	8	22.7	4.8	74.9	26.6	40.0	27.9
Kieren Briggs (GWS)	17	75.6	15.0	15.4	263.4	80.0	6.5	2.8	0.7	1.3	4	18.2	4.5	74.4	25.9	38.4	32.7
Max Gawn (Melb)	22	81.1	13.9	16.9	262.4	64.9	4.3	4.6	2.3	1.4	10	19.8	2.0	57.5	25.7	49.0	30.1
Todd Goldstein (NM)	20	79.3	13.8	13.0	134.9	73.7	3.6	2.2	0.9	1.1	4	18.6	1.9	70.0	29.2	44.7	33.4
Luke Jackson (Frem)	23	82.6	13.3	15.0	199.1	44.6	2.6	3.4	1.2	1.0	22	26.7	3.5	45.5	17.7	40.3	30.0
Jarrod Witts (GC)	21	82.8	13.3	13.8	156.6	84.2	4.3	2.4	0.7	0.4	4	19.2	2.6	83.7	39.2	49.5	31.6
Sean Darcy (Frem)	15	74.5	13.2	13.8	165.2	77.7	4.1	3.4	1.5	1.0	4	25.5	3.2	69.5	39.1	56.8	28.3
Oscar McInerney (Bris)	25	82.6	13.1	12.4	200.2	80.8	5.6	1.8	0.9	0.6	9	13.5	2.9	77.0	33.8	43.7	27.8
Toby Nankervis (Rich)	15	80.3	13.1	16.7	175.6	78.6	4.3	2.5	0.3	0.9	3	18.3	5.5	74.1	32.5	47.7	26.5
Reilly O'Brien (Adel)	23	81.3	12.8	12.4	85.1	82.6	2.9	2.9	1.4	1.5	4	17.9	3.1	75.8	38.6	49.5	29.2
Mark Blicavs (Geel)	19	76.9	12.4	15.8	221.3	71.9	4.2	3.4	0.9	0.5	12	18.9	4.6	30.0	10.6	36.0	26.2
Darcy Cameron (Coll)	19	74.2	10.9	13.1	129.7	62.6	3.2	3.4	1.4	1.4	5	19.4	3.2	65.1	25.8	41.7	30.0
Tom De Koning (Carl)	19	78.4	10.7	12.0	182.1	51.1	3.5	2.8	1.0	0.8	9	17.9	2.5	49.0	17.7	39.8	28.2
Sam Draper (Ess)	14	76.7	10.7	11.0	210.0	66.1	3.1	2.6	1.1	0.6	10	21.2	2.0	60.7	20.1	39.8	30.1
Brodie Grundy (Melb)	17	69.9	10.7	14.3	152.8	54.4	2.9	2.7	0.8	1.1	10	16.5	2.9	47.7	20.5	47.9	30.4
Bailey J. Williams (WC)	23	81.8	10.4	12.8	165.2	83.7	4.2	1.9	0.7	0.8	5	15.8	3.4	73.5	27.6	37.9	24.1
Rhys Stanley (Geel)	13	77.5	9.6	11.9	147.2	79.3	2.3	2.3	0.2	0.5	0	12.3	2.5	65.3	28.3	45.0	21.7
Tom Hickey (Syd)	12	73.7	9.5	12.2	134.3	78.0	3.2	2.2	0.6	0.4	0	14.6	2.4	66.5	23.7	35.9	22.2
Ned Reeves (Haw)	21	74.0	9.3	8.1	63.0	65.6	2.4	1.5	0.4	0.8	2	15.4	2.7	62.7	28.2	50.0	30.7
Hayden McLean (Syd)	22	79.5	9.1	12.3	150.7	28.5	1.3	4.4	1.5	0.9	21	20.9	2.5	31.0	9.7	32.9	23.5
Marc Pittonet (Carl)	18	69.2	8.6	9.5	69.4	69.5	3.1	1.3	0.4	0.8	0	13.2	1.8	63.0	24.8	42.0	35.0
Scott Lycett (Port)	14	69.1	8.6	10.6	103.6	73.3	4.0	1.0	0.1	0.1	0	13.9	3.7	62.9	24.7	41.4	28.9
Lloyd Meek (Haw)	16	69.9	8.5	9.6	72.0	46.4	2.1	2.2	0.8	0.7	3	13.2	3.6	48.6	18.0	42.7	29.5
Mason Cox (Coll)	19	66.4	7.7	8.2	121.7	40.6	1.2	3.6	1.5	0.8	17	16.4	1.4	37.2	17.1	49.6	27.2
Ben Miller (Rich)	13	73.6	7.6	7.3	94.9	22.2	0.8	2.4	0.5	0.5	6	13.2	2.2	23.2	8.8	40.2	30.4
Samson Ryan (Rich)	14	69.5	7.1	7.1	139.2	29.5	1.1	2.9	0.8	0.4	12	14.6	0.8	28.5	12.2	46.6	38.0
Andrew Phillips (Ess)	20	69.9	6.6	7.6	105.0	47.4	1.8	2.3	0.8	0.6	5	14.7	2.4	48.5	20.7	50.7	28.0

 

All these stats are available at:

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats.html?year=2023

[Tarax Club 2,934]

So get out the abacuses, slide rules, Casio desk calculators, power up the IBM mainframe and call in the statistical analyst think tank.

Q. To ‘objectively’ decide what?

A. Max Gawn as a ruck man ‘qualitatively’ has the greatest influence on team success of any of the ruck men in the land.

[Kick_It_To_Pickett 2,930]

23 hours ago, Tolstoys Nudge said:

Max ain’t going anywhere for 3-4yrs yet — we need to lure someone once he’s nearing end, can’t happen sooner for obv reasons 

Max is one serious injury away from leaving us with a massive gap. He won’t get 4 more years. People forget about the injuries he had in the early part of his career and the knee injury last year. Add the fact he gets clobbered every week with little protection from umpires…he is a warrior and one of the all time greats, but it’s unrealistic to think he will be a top line ruck for another 4 seasons

[Moonshadow 16,200]

Get English, and go Bazball!

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,585]

5 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

@TheWiz

I have most of the stats from that article. Here are the top 10 rucks across the various stats in 2023, and I have also included a table at the end comparing all rucks in 2023 with 10+ matches (note the text in the table may wrap on a mobile device).

Rating Points
 1 | 16.5 | Tim English (WB)
 2 | 15.3 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 3 | 15.0 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 4 | 13.9 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 5 | 13.8 | Todd Goldstein (NM)
 6 | 13.3 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
 7 | 13.3 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 8 | 13.2 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 9 | 13.1 | Oscar McInerney (Bris)
10 | 13.1 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)

Score Involvement %
 1 | 26.7 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
 2 | 25.5 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 3 | 22.7 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 4 | 22.6 | Tim English (WB)
 5 | 21.2 | Sam Draper (Ess)
 6 | 20.9 | Hayden McLean (Syd)
 7 | 19.8 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 8 | 19.4 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
 9 | 19.2 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
10 | 18.9 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)

Metres Gained
 1 | 280.7 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 2 | 263.4 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 3 | 262.4 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 4 | 255.0 | Tim English (WB)
 5 | 221.3 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)
 6 | 210.0 | Sam Draper (Ess)
 7 | 200.2 | Oscar McInerney (Bris)
 8 | 199.1 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
 9 | 182.1 | Tom De Koning (Carl)
10 | 175.6 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)

Marks
 1 | 6.3 | Tim English (WB)
 2 | 5.2 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 3 | 4.6 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 4 | 4.4 | Hayden McLean (Syd)
 5 | 3.6 | Mason Cox (Coll)
 6 | 3.4 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)
 6 | 3.4 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
 8 | 3.4 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 9 | 3.4 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
10 | 2.9 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)

Contested Marks
 1 | 2.3 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 2 | 1.5 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 3 | 1.5 | Mason Cox (Coll)
 4 | 1.5 | Hayden McLean (Syd)
 5 | 1.5 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 6 | 1.4 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)
 7 | 1.4 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
 8 | 1.3 | Tim English (WB)
 9 | 1.2 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
10 | 1.1 | Sam Draper (Ess)

Intercept Marks
 1 | 2.0 | Tim English (WB)
 2 | 1.9 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 3 | 1.5 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)
 4 | 1.4 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
 5 | 1.4 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 6 | 1.3 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 7 | 1.1 | Todd Goldstein (NM)
 8 | 1.1 | Brodie Grundy (Melb)
 9 | 1.0 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
10 | 1.0 | Luke Jackson (Frem)

Clearances
 1 | 6.5 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 2 | 5.6 | Oscar McInerney (Bris)
 3 | 5.0 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 4 | 4.3 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)
 4 | 4.3 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 6 | 4.3 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 7 | 4.2 | Bailey J. Williams (WC)
 8 | 4.2 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)
 9 | 4.1 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
10 | 4.0 | Scott Lycett (Port)

Tackles
 1 | 5.5 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)
 2 | 4.8 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 3 | 4.6 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)
 4 | 4.5 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 5 | 4.3 | Tim English (WB)
 6 | 3.7 | Scott Lycett (Port)
 7 | 3.6 | Lloyd Meek (Haw)
 8 | 3.5 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
 9 | 3.4 | Bailey J. Williams (WC)
10 | 3.2 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
23 | 2.0 | Max Gawn (Melb)

Hitouts
 1 | 39.2 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 2 | 39.1 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 3 | 38.6 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)
 4 | 33.8 | Oscar McInerney (Bris)
 5 | 32.5 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)
 6 | 31.2 | Tim English (WB)
 7 | 29.2 | Todd Goldstein (NM)
 8 | 28.3 | Rhys Stanley (Geel)
 9 | 28.2 | Ned Reeves (Haw)
10 | 27.6 | Bailey J. Williams (WC)
14 | 25.7 | Max Gawn (Melb)

Hitouts Win %
 1 | 56.8 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 2 | 50.7 | Andrew Phillips (Ess)
 3 | 50.0 | Ned Reeves (Haw)
 4 | 49.6 | Mason Cox (Coll)
 5 | 49.5 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 6 | 49.5 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)
 7 | 49.0 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 8 | 47.9 | Brodie Grundy (Melb)
 9 | 47.7 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)
10 | 46.6 | Samson Ryan (Rich)

Hitouts To Advantage %
 1 | 38.0 | Samson Ryan (Rich)
 2 | 35.0 | Marc Pittonet (Carl)
 3 | 33.8 | Tim English (WB)
 4 | 33.4 | Todd Goldstein (NM)
 5 | 32.7 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 6 | 31.6 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 7 | 30.7 | Ned Reeves (Haw)
 8 | 30.4 | Ben Miller (Rich)
 9 | 30.4 | Brodie Grundy (Melb)
10 | 30.1 | Sam Draper (Ess)
11 | 30.1 | Max Gawn (Melb)

 

Ruck Stats, 2023, 10+ matches

Legend
Mt: Matches
TOG: Time on ground %
RP: Rating Points
D: Disposals
MG: Metres Gained
CBA %: Centre Bounce Attendance %
CL: Clearances
Mk: Marks
CM: Contested Marks
IM: Intercept Marks
G: Goals
SI %: Score Involvements % (out of all team scores)
T: Tackles
RC%: Ruck Contest %
HO: Hitouts
HO Win %: Hitouts win %
HO Adv %: Hitouts to advantage %

	Mt	TOG	RP	D	MG	CBA %	CL	Mk	CM	IM	G	SI %	T	RC%	HO	HO Win%	HO Adv%
Tim English (WB)	23	85.9	16.5	19.1	255.0	83.7	3.2	6.3	1.3	2.0	16	22.6	4.3	76.8	31.2	39.5	33.8
Rowan Marshall (St K)	24	84.5	15.3	20.5	280.7	86.7	5.0	5.2	1.5	1.9	8	22.7	4.8	74.9	26.6	40.0	27.9
Kieren Briggs (GWS)	17	75.6	15.0	15.4	263.4	80.0	6.5	2.8	0.7	1.3	4	18.2	4.5	74.4	25.9	38.4	32.7
Max Gawn (Melb)	22	81.1	13.9	16.9	262.4	64.9	4.3	4.6	2.3	1.4	10	19.8	2.0	57.5	25.7	49.0	30.1
Todd Goldstein (NM)	20	79.3	13.8	13.0	134.9	73.7	3.6	2.2	0.9	1.1	4	18.6	1.9	70.0	29.2	44.7	33.4
Luke Jackson (Frem)	23	82.6	13.3	15.0	199.1	44.6	2.6	3.4	1.2	1.0	22	26.7	3.5	45.5	17.7	40.3	30.0
Jarrod Witts (GC)	21	82.8	13.3	13.8	156.6	84.2	4.3	2.4	0.7	0.4	4	19.2	2.6	83.7	39.2	49.5	31.6
Sean Darcy (Frem)	15	74.5	13.2	13.8	165.2	77.7	4.1	3.4	1.5	1.0	4	25.5	3.2	69.5	39.1	56.8	28.3
Oscar McInerney (Bris)	25	82.6	13.1	12.4	200.2	80.8	5.6	1.8	0.9	0.6	9	13.5	2.9	77.0	33.8	43.7	27.8
Toby Nankervis (Rich)	15	80.3	13.1	16.7	175.6	78.6	4.3	2.5	0.3	0.9	3	18.3	5.5	74.1	32.5	47.7	26.5
Reilly O'Brien (Adel)	23	81.3	12.8	12.4	85.1	82.6	2.9	2.9	1.4	1.5	4	17.9	3.1	75.8	38.6	49.5	29.2
Mark Blicavs (Geel)	19	76.9	12.4	15.8	221.3	71.9	4.2	3.4	0.9	0.5	12	18.9	4.6	30.0	10.6	36.0	26.2
Darcy Cameron (Coll)	19	74.2	10.9	13.1	129.7	62.6	3.2	3.4	1.4	1.4	5	19.4	3.2	65.1	25.8	41.7	30.0
Tom De Koning (Carl)	19	78.4	10.7	12.0	182.1	51.1	3.5	2.8	1.0	0.8	9	17.9	2.5	49.0	17.7	39.8	28.2
Sam Draper (Ess)	14	76.7	10.7	11.0	210.0	66.1	3.1	2.6	1.1	0.6	10	21.2	2.0	60.7	20.1	39.8	30.1
Brodie Grundy (Melb)	17	69.9	10.7	14.3	152.8	54.4	2.9	2.7	0.8	1.1	10	16.5	2.9	47.7	20.5	47.9	30.4
Bailey J. Williams (WC)	23	81.8	10.4	12.8	165.2	83.7	4.2	1.9	0.7	0.8	5	15.8	3.4	73.5	27.6	37.9	24.1
Rhys Stanley (Geel)	13	77.5	9.6	11.9	147.2	79.3	2.3	2.3	0.2	0.5	0	12.3	2.5	65.3	28.3	45.0	21.7
Tom Hickey (Syd)	12	73.7	9.5	12.2	134.3	78.0	3.2	2.2	0.6	0.4	0	14.6	2.4	66.5	23.7	35.9	22.2
Ned Reeves (Haw)	21	74.0	9.3	8.1	63.0	65.6	2.4	1.5	0.4	0.8	2	15.4	2.7	62.7	28.2	50.0	30.7
Hayden McLean (Syd)	22	79.5	9.1	12.3	150.7	28.5	1.3	4.4	1.5	0.9	21	20.9	2.5	31.0	9.7	32.9	23.5
Marc Pittonet (Carl)	18	69.2	8.6	9.5	69.4	69.5	3.1	1.3	0.4	0.8	0	13.2	1.8	63.0	24.8	42.0	35.0
Scott Lycett (Port)	14	69.1	8.6	10.6	103.6	73.3	4.0	1.0	0.1	0.1	0	13.9	3.7	62.9	24.7	41.4	28.9
Lloyd Meek (Haw)	16	69.9	8.5	9.6	72.0	46.4	2.1	2.2	0.8	0.7	3	13.2	3.6	48.6	18.0	42.7	29.5
Mason Cox (Coll)	19	66.4	7.7	8.2	121.7	40.6	1.2	3.6	1.5	0.8	17	16.4	1.4	37.2	17.1	49.6	27.2
Ben Miller (Rich)	13	73.6	7.6	7.3	94.9	22.2	0.8	2.4	0.5	0.5	6	13.2	2.2	23.2	8.8	40.2	30.4
Samson Ryan (Rich)	14	69.5	7.1	7.1	139.2	29.5	1.1	2.9	0.8	0.4	12	14.6	0.8	28.5	12.2	46.6	38.0
Andrew Phillips (Ess)	20	69.9	6.6	7.6	105.0	47.4	1.8	2.3	0.8	0.6	5	14.7	2.4	48.5	20.7	50.7	28.0

 

All these stats are available at:

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats.html?year=2023

All these stats are well and good, but the one that counts most for me is the centre clearance rate from about the 27minute mark of the third quarter, till the 5 miniute mark of the last in the 2021 GF.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,585]

On 01/02/2024 at 19:08, Queanbeyan Demon said:

When I saw the threat title, I though @Bigfoot was suggesting the great Jack Viney was working his way through the LinkedIn Learning Elocution and Vocabulary Course.

That's a bit harsh ... but I know what you mean.

I prefer it when Jack let's his footy and physical pressure around the footy do the talking.

[TheWiz 692]

6 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

@TheWiz

I have most of the stats from that article. Here are the top 10 rucks across the various stats in 2023, and I have also included a table at the end comparing all rucks in 2023 with 10+ matches (note the text in the table may wrap on a mobile device).

Rating Points
 1 | 16.5 | Tim English (WB)
 2 | 15.3 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 3 | 15.0 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 4 | 13.9 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 5 | 13.8 | Todd Goldstein (NM)
 6 | 13.3 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
 7 | 13.3 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 8 | 13.2 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 9 | 13.1 | Oscar McInerney (Bris)
10 | 13.1 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)

Score Involvement %
 1 | 26.7 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
 2 | 25.5 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 3 | 22.7 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 4 | 22.6 | Tim English (WB)
 5 | 21.2 | Sam Draper (Ess)
 6 | 20.9 | Hayden McLean (Syd)
 7 | 19.8 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 8 | 19.4 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
 9 | 19.2 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
10 | 18.9 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)

Metres Gained
 1 | 280.7 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 2 | 263.4 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 3 | 262.4 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 4 | 255.0 | Tim English (WB)
 5 | 221.3 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)
 6 | 210.0 | Sam Draper (Ess)
 7 | 200.2 | Oscar McInerney (Bris)
 8 | 199.1 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
 9 | 182.1 | Tom De Koning (Carl)
10 | 175.6 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)

Marks
 1 | 6.3 | Tim English (WB)
 2 | 5.2 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 3 | 4.6 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 4 | 4.4 | Hayden McLean (Syd)
 5 | 3.6 | Mason Cox (Coll)
 6 | 3.4 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)
 6 | 3.4 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
 8 | 3.4 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 9 | 3.4 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
10 | 2.9 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)

Contested Marks
 1 | 2.3 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 2 | 1.5 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 3 | 1.5 | Mason Cox (Coll)
 4 | 1.5 | Hayden McLean (Syd)
 5 | 1.5 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 6 | 1.4 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)
 7 | 1.4 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
 8 | 1.3 | Tim English (WB)
 9 | 1.2 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
10 | 1.1 | Sam Draper (Ess)

Intercept Marks
 1 | 2.0 | Tim English (WB)
 2 | 1.9 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 3 | 1.5 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)
 4 | 1.4 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
 5 | 1.4 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 6 | 1.3 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 7 | 1.1 | Todd Goldstein (NM)
 8 | 1.1 | Brodie Grundy (Melb)
 9 | 1.0 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
10 | 1.0 | Luke Jackson (Frem)

Clearances
 1 | 6.5 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 2 | 5.6 | Oscar McInerney (Bris)
 3 | 5.0 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 4 | 4.3 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)
 4 | 4.3 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 6 | 4.3 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 7 | 4.2 | Bailey J. Williams (WC)
 8 | 4.2 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)
 9 | 4.1 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
10 | 4.0 | Scott Lycett (Port)

Tackles
 1 | 5.5 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)
 2 | 4.8 | Rowan Marshall (St K)
 3 | 4.6 | Mark Blicavs (Geel)
 4 | 4.5 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 5 | 4.3 | Tim English (WB)
 6 | 3.7 | Scott Lycett (Port)
 7 | 3.6 | Lloyd Meek (Haw)
 8 | 3.5 | Luke Jackson (Frem)
 9 | 3.4 | Bailey J. Williams (WC)
10 | 3.2 | Darcy Cameron (Coll)
23 | 2.0 | Max Gawn (Melb)

Hitouts
 1 | 39.2 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 2 | 39.1 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 3 | 38.6 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)
 4 | 33.8 | Oscar McInerney (Bris)
 5 | 32.5 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)
 6 | 31.2 | Tim English (WB)
 7 | 29.2 | Todd Goldstein (NM)
 8 | 28.3 | Rhys Stanley (Geel)
 9 | 28.2 | Ned Reeves (Haw)
10 | 27.6 | Bailey J. Williams (WC)
14 | 25.7 | Max Gawn (Melb)

Hitouts Win %
 1 | 56.8 | Sean Darcy (Frem)
 2 | 50.7 | Andrew Phillips (Ess)
 3 | 50.0 | Ned Reeves (Haw)
 4 | 49.6 | Mason Cox (Coll)
 5 | 49.5 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 6 | 49.5 | Reilly O'Brien (Adel)
 7 | 49.0 | Max Gawn (Melb)
 8 | 47.9 | Brodie Grundy (Melb)
 9 | 47.7 | Toby Nankervis (Rich)
10 | 46.6 | Samson Ryan (Rich)

Hitouts To Advantage %
 1 | 38.0 | Samson Ryan (Rich)
 2 | 35.0 | Marc Pittonet (Carl)
 3 | 33.8 | Tim English (WB)
 4 | 33.4 | Todd Goldstein (NM)
 5 | 32.7 | Kieren Briggs (GWS)
 6 | 31.6 | Jarrod Witts (GC)
 7 | 30.7 | Ned Reeves (Haw)
 8 | 30.4 | Ben Miller (Rich)
 9 | 30.4 | Brodie Grundy (Melb)
10 | 30.1 | Sam Draper (Ess)
11 | 30.1 | Max Gawn (Melb)

 

Ruck Stats, 2023, 10+ matches

Legend
Mt: Matches
TOG: Time on ground %
RP: Rating Points
D: Disposals
MG: Metres Gained
CBA %: Centre Bounce Attendance %
CL: Clearances
Mk: Marks
CM: Contested Marks
IM: Intercept Marks
G: Goals
SI %: Score Involvements % (out of all team scores)
T: Tackles
RC%: Ruck Contest %
HO: Hitouts
HO Win %: Hitouts win %
HO Adv %: Hitouts to advantage %

	Mt	TOG	RP	D	MG	CBA %	CL	Mk	CM	IM	G	SI %	T	RC%	HO	HO Win%	HO Adv%
Tim English (WB)	23	85.9	16.5	19.1	255.0	83.7	3.2	6.3	1.3	2.0	16	22.6	4.3	76.8	31.2	39.5	33.8
Rowan Marshall (St K)	24	84.5	15.3	20.5	280.7	86.7	5.0	5.2	1.5	1.9	8	22.7	4.8	74.9	26.6	40.0	27.9
Kieren Briggs (GWS)	17	75.6	15.0	15.4	263.4	80.0	6.5	2.8	0.7	1.3	4	18.2	4.5	74.4	25.9	38.4	32.7
Max Gawn (Melb)	22	81.1	13.9	16.9	262.4	64.9	4.3	4.6	2.3	1.4	10	19.8	2.0	57.5	25.7	49.0	30.1
Todd Goldstein (NM)	20	79.3	13.8	13.0	134.9	73.7	3.6	2.2	0.9	1.1	4	18.6	1.9	70.0	29.2	44.7	33.4
Luke Jackson (Frem)	23	82.6	13.3	15.0	199.1	44.6	2.6	3.4	1.2	1.0	22	26.7	3.5	45.5	17.7	40.3	30.0
Jarrod Witts (GC)	21	82.8	13.3	13.8	156.6	84.2	4.3	2.4	0.7	0.4	4	19.2	2.6	83.7	39.2	49.5	31.6
Sean Darcy (Frem)	15	74.5	13.2	13.8	165.2	77.7	4.1	3.4	1.5	1.0	4	25.5	3.2	69.5	39.1	56.8	28.3
Oscar McInerney (Bris)	25	82.6	13.1	12.4	200.2	80.8	5.6	1.8	0.9	0.6	9	13.5	2.9	77.0	33.8	43.7	27.8
Toby Nankervis (Rich)	15	80.3	13.1	16.7	175.6	78.6	4.3	2.5	0.3	0.9	3	18.3	5.5	74.1	32.5	47.7	26.5
Reilly O'Brien (Adel)	23	81.3	12.8	12.4	85.1	82.6	2.9	2.9	1.4	1.5	4	17.9	3.1	75.8	38.6	49.5	29.2
Mark Blicavs (Geel)	19	76.9	12.4	15.8	221.3	71.9	4.2	3.4	0.9	0.5	12	18.9	4.6	30.0	10.6	36.0	26.2
Darcy Cameron (Coll)	19	74.2	10.9	13.1	129.7	62.6	3.2	3.4	1.4	1.4	5	19.4	3.2	65.1	25.8	41.7	30.0
Tom De Koning (Carl)	19	78.4	10.7	12.0	182.1	51.1	3.5	2.8	1.0	0.8	9	17.9	2.5	49.0	17.7	39.8	28.2
Sam Draper (Ess)	14	76.7	10.7	11.0	210.0	66.1	3.1	2.6	1.1	0.6	10	21.2	2.0	60.7	20.1	39.8	30.1
Brodie Grundy (Melb)	17	69.9	10.7	14.3	152.8	54.4	2.9	2.7	0.8	1.1	10	16.5	2.9	47.7	20.5	47.9	30.4
Bailey J. Williams (WC)	23	81.8	10.4	12.8	165.2	83.7	4.2	1.9	0.7	0.8	5	15.8	3.4	73.5	27.6	37.9	24.1
Rhys Stanley (Geel)	13	77.5	9.6	11.9	147.2	79.3	2.3	2.3	0.2	0.5	0	12.3	2.5	65.3	28.3	45.0	21.7
Tom Hickey (Syd)	12	73.7	9.5	12.2	134.3	78.0	3.2	2.2	0.6	0.4	0	14.6	2.4	66.5	23.7	35.9	22.2
Ned Reeves (Haw)	21	74.0	9.3	8.1	63.0	65.6	2.4	1.5	0.4	0.8	2	15.4	2.7	62.7	28.2	50.0	30.7
Hayden McLean (Syd)	22	79.5	9.1	12.3	150.7	28.5	1.3	4.4	1.5	0.9	21	20.9	2.5	31.0	9.7	32.9	23.5
Marc Pittonet (Carl)	18	69.2	8.6	9.5	69.4	69.5	3.1	1.3	0.4	0.8	0	13.2	1.8	63.0	24.8	42.0	35.0
Scott Lycett (Port)	14	69.1	8.6	10.6	103.6	73.3	4.0	1.0	0.1	0.1	0	13.9	3.7	62.9	24.7	41.4	28.9
Lloyd Meek (Haw)	16	69.9	8.5	9.6	72.0	46.4	2.1	2.2	0.8	0.7	3	13.2	3.6	48.6	18.0	42.7	29.5
Mason Cox (Coll)	19	66.4	7.7	8.2	121.7	40.6	1.2	3.6	1.5	0.8	17	16.4	1.4	37.2	17.1	49.6	27.2
Ben Miller (Rich)	13	73.6	7.6	7.3	94.9	22.2	0.8	2.4	0.5	0.5	6	13.2	2.2	23.2	8.8	40.2	30.4
Samson Ryan (Rich)	14	69.5	7.1	7.1	139.2	29.5	1.1	2.9	0.8	0.4	12	14.6	0.8	28.5	12.2	46.6	38.0
Andrew Phillips (Ess)	20	69.9	6.6	7.6	105.0	47.4	1.8	2.3	0.8	0.6	5	14.7	2.4	48.5	20.7	50.7	28.0

 

All these stats are available at:

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats.html?year=2023

Thanks so much Wheelo, this is really interesting!!

I’m a bit unsure how I feel about Gawn’s average tackles. On the one hand it’s pressure and potential turnover, but on the other it could be an injury or suspension risk! (Particularly with how big some of these guys are).

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We need a backup ruckman who can play 15 games a year and allow max to only play 7 or 8 after this year, letting him rest but be fresh when he does play. Like brisbane did with their ruckman in their treble.

 

Is that person english? Na he'd want to be number 1 and fair enough too.

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5 hours ago, TheWiz said:

Thanks so much Wheelo, this is really interesting!!

I’m a bit unsure how I feel about Gawn’s average tackles. On the one hand it’s pressure and potential turnover, but on the other it could be an injury or suspension risk! (Particularly with how big some of these guys are).

The 2023 figures are helpful.

What they tell us is that Maxie only had a so so year in 2023. He was not in the top 5 of most of the figures. He didn’t make the AA team and it caused some dysfunction with Brodie playing at the same time. 

In 2024 he is set up with backing from JVR Schache and Fullarton when he is fit. Oh and any other trainee ruck that surprises in form.