If you were doing the exit interviews, what would be a key message that you would want delivered to a particular player? Where would you want them to focus in the off season to improve?

Verall: More Fitness and marking, getting to contests to be improved

Jefferson: More muscle mass and hit more contests.

Howes:  More fitness and strength to challenge for a wing spot in 24

(etc)

Then there are ones like “enjoy your retirement” to BBB, TMAc, Hibbo, Melk, etc, and ‘enjoy the Harbour views, Grundy”

What messages would you give?

Would love to be a fly on the wall for Grundy’s interview 

  On 17/09/2023 at 01:39, Dee Viney Intervention said:

Would love to be a fly on the wall for Grundy’s interview 

Probably won't have one, both parties know the situation.

The Grundy issue is totally on us. We thought we could magic him into Luke Jackson 2.0 and it didn’t work. 

  On 17/09/2023 at 02:09, deegirl said:

The Grundy issue is totally on us. We thought we could magic him into Luke Jackson 2.0 and it didn’t work. 

But it was also obvious that Gawn and Jackson were never a ruck/forward powerhouse. I think they kicked only 6 goals collectively in the latter half of 2022. I just don’t understand why we thought Grundy could be an improvement on that or why we were hellbent on replicating that dynamic.

As we all know, we were actually crying out for a competent key forward. But they don’t grow on trees, and who knows, if we had got one, we may not have had the opportunity to see what Petty was capable of.

Edited September 17, 20231 yr by wisedog

  On 17/09/2023 at 02:09, deegirl said:

The Grundy issue is totally on us. We thought we could magic him into Luke Jackson 2.0 and it didn’t work. 

Max unfortunately is a lone ruckman but on the downside he struggles against players that jump into him early instead of the body type contact players so in the end it was who do you go with I will say Grundy is a better tap ruckman than Max.

On the topic of exit interviews, who do we think are tradeable players?

Salem, JJ, any other?

just tell them all to practice their goal kicking

Kossie: increased consistency and improved discipline.

Ross Lyon in an interview spoke about exit interviews last week. He said players get so much consistent feedback that none of them would ever be in doubt about what they need to work on, and the expectations of them.

He said these days exit interviews are more about finding out from the players how they are feeling and think their year went, checking off procedural and governance things, and then confirming with those you suspect are out the door that they in fact are.

Scare them the moment they walk through the door and then tell them that they need to be able to perform under pressure just like that in a final. 

Edited September 17, 20231 yr by layzie

The only one of real note is probably Jordon. Will we try to keep him?

  On 17/09/2023 at 04:14, Diamond_Jim said:

The only one of real note is probably Jordon. Will we try to keep him?

Solid player but no pace or damaging enough, I don't think he'll stay.

  On 17/09/2023 at 02:09, deegirl said:

The Grundy issue is totally on us. We thought we could magic him into Luke Jackson 2.0 and it didn’t work. 

Incorrect. We thought we could make Max Gawn a forward and a relief ruck without him losing his mojo when in there. 

  On 17/09/2023 at 03:44, Deeoldfart said:

Kossie: increased consistency and improved discipline.

I'd tread carefully with Kossie in that regard. We need more x factor in our forward line not less. Everything about our game plan is predictable, he isn't.

Most of us embraced the experiment but I cannot fathom why we excluded Grundy when neither could kick goals, surely that could have been worked a hell of a lot better. Ego’s or no ego’s.!!

I think a quiet conversation with Goodwin over a soothing cup of tea to just reflect on the way that as accumulating injuries and bad form wrecked our forward line he turned more and more to the emotionally comforting option rather than the ruthless call. He turned to his personally loved and trusted players and while it worked a treat with Melksham, once that option was cruelly taken away he never should have even looked in McDonald's direction.

It was decision-making under really terrible stress and very few could have done better. Just this season one champion coach 'retired' under stress and another took three months off due to basically a stress-related breakdown. It's easy to see how that can happen when our own coach has watched things get worse and worse on a near weekly basis.

So, I'd schedule a lot of calm reflection and care for Goodwin and coax a reset on the old mantra of controlling the things we can control.

  On 17/09/2023 at 03:44, Deeoldfart said:

Kossie: increased consistency and improved discipline.

How about he just watches video's of Toby Greene and how he goes about it might be a good start.

People still think footy clubs are amateur. It's a professional work place. Players have KPIs. Teams have KPIs. Coaches have KPIs. Exit interviews are holistic views over the year. Anyone that works corporate would know what an end of year review is. You go in, talk about what you've done well, how you think you went, what you think you can improve on. Then management tells you how you went next to your KPIs and what your goals might be next year. Anyone with a brain going into these interviews knows exactly how they're going to go. They're not defined by one moment/game/week/month.

Leaders like Gawn will have different metrics than someone like JVR. 

Isn't innovation a curious thing? I've just caught wind of a shiny new thread where fans can give their unfiltered opinions on player performance. A platform for fans to share insights?  I bet you've never seen anything like it, especially not every week, during every game, and every hour on Demonland.🫠

Sorry @buck_nekkid, I'm in a foul mood.

Good on you for starting the thread.

 

Edited September 17, 20231 yr by Engorged Onion

  On 17/09/2023 at 03:33, ElDiablo14 said:

On the topic of exit interviews, who do we think are tradeable players?

Salem, JJ, any other?

Salem won't be traded, and JJ doesn't have to be, he just has to nominate a team and walk out the door if he wishes to go

  On 17/09/2023 at 04:17, ElDiablo14 said:

Solid player but no pace or damaging enough, I don't think he'll stay.

Was the Invisible man vs Carlton. Happy for him to explore options

Maybe someone should start a thread about trading James Jordon… for whom we should trade him for… how much he is WORTH in a TRADE. You know, simple thread about the simple concept of trading an OUT OF CONTRACT, UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT

  On 17/09/2023 at 04:11, layzie said:

Scare them the moment they walk through the door and then tell them that they need to be able to perform under pressure just like that in a final. 

We heading down the Adelaide camp direction with blindfolds and opposition team songs?

Maybe jump.out from behind the door dressed as a toothless Collingwood supporter?

Edited September 17, 20231 yr by John Demonic

AS stated earlier the clubs are completely professionals with regular advice with KPI's. When given end of year assessment there should be no surprise sackings or exits. Organisations just don't do that. Most of the input should come from the player re their thoughts on their achievements and what they hope to address and improve.

Out of contract players who haven't been made an offer would be concerned and injured players would have a fare idea if they can go on.

For all we know Grund may have already left the building emotionally and that is why he wasn't selected. BBB may not physically be able to continue, heck we have no surety that Petty will overcome a serious foot injury. I hope that the players have self assessed themselves and know what they want moving forward.