Harley Reid

[Demons11 6,404]

WC might be ruining our plans again 😬

[Binmans PA 26,121]

10 minutes ago, Redleg said:

But they want Curtin, he is their Reid.

Not necessarily...

[rpfc 27,476]

20 minutes ago, adonski said:

I wouldn't be trading 4 + 5 for pick 1

Yeah, that is really pushing the value prop of ND1.

Its all about picks in the top 5. 

[Binmans PA 26,121]

27 minutes ago, adonski said:

I wouldn't be trading 4 + 5 for pick 1

I would in this draft. But I'll back JT. If he thinks the talent will still be there by then, great. 

Remember, that it's very likely a North compo pick or NGA access dilutes the top 5, and then you've got the Suns getting access to another top 3-5 pick in Walters.

In other words, it's not really the top 4-5, it's the top 6-7.

Edited August 26, 2023 by Binmans PA

[PaulRB 5,945]

Clarko said they’d (Norf) be up for a trade to build their list. In delightful Clarko speak, he pondered “how many no#1 draft pick have won a flag? …. Three”. So everything is on the table.

 

[Leopold Bloom 279]

I’m getting the feeling that nobody wants Harley.

[Grand New Flag 3,226]

49 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

Today's results are certainly great news for MFC.  Opens up our options.  WC need multiple first rounds picks as we did in 2013........  splitting our number 1 pick went along way to rebuilding our list....... a super important step to building our premiership list.  No doubt WC are very aware of this.

Reid becomes a real and live option again.  Whether it can be done and whether this is the direction the MFC wants to go, only time will tell.  But what we do know is that we have been interested enough to pursue Reid as a possible payday for our 2023 draft bonanza.  It is a fact that we have put in enormous time and effort to make this a possibility of happening.

The MFC has options on how to spend its bonanza everywhere. 

This is the honey train draft/trade period for us.  Whatever direction we end up taking.......... if we nail it, we set our football club up for a decade.  We give ourselves the opportunity to create a genuine dynasty.  

I am just so excited.

OK looks like I may have spoken to soon!  

But then again, as DLs have posted above........ maybe it makes no difference.

I am still super excited!

Edited August 26, 2023 by Grand New Flag

[Males 577]

4 minutes ago, Leopold Bloom said:

I’m getting the feeling that nobody wants Harley.

If anyone has seen Draft Day, 2014 NFL movie, Harley might be Bo Callahan. 😬

[samcantstandya 920]

10 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

I would in this draft. But I'll back JT. If he thinks the talent will still be there by then, great. 

Remember, that it's very likely a North compo pick or NGA access dilutes the top 5, and then you've got the Suns getting access to another top 3-5 pick in Walters.

We won't have more than 3 picks in the draft when you factor Daniel Turner upgrade to the senior list in 2024. One of them will probably be K Brown as a senior/rookie pick. So I understand why we want to package them and dry for one. However, it's looking like West Coast are in the box seat over Adelaide. So North will finish last. No Reid deal unfortunately. So let's get 2 top ten players from Duursma, McKercher, Watson or O'Connor and go from there. 

[Demon Disciple 10,962]

1 hour ago, Leopold Bloom said:

I’m getting the feeling that nobody wants Harley.

His ceiling isn’t as high as other ‘potentials’

[Engorged Onion 9,286]

Hi draft enthusiasts. Can you walk me through how we could possibly get him, but more importantly - why would teams (ie: West Coast) want to trade with us so that we 'could' get him, what's the benefit to them?

For some reason, this stuff never sticks in my prefrontal cortex.

[Lord Travis 10,167]

[Lord Travis 10,167]

In all seriousness, I can’t see how this will happen now. They’ll likely only trade down if they can get the local lad Curtin. His stocks have risen and he likely won’t be there for them at pick 4/5. If he’s off the table, then I’d think Reid is off the table. 

More likely now they either take Reid or Curtin with pick 1 rather than trade it.

[Mach5 4,482]

50 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Hi draft enthusiasts. Can you walk me through how we could possibly get him, but more importantly - why would teams (ie: West Coast) want to trade with us so that we 'could' get him, what's the benefit to them?

For some reason, this stuff never sticks in my prefrontal cortex.

Westcoast’s list is in a putrid state. They need bulk early picks to regenerate. No use getting a star with pick 1 if he’ll leave like JHF after a year or 2 cos he’s sick of being obliterated weekly. They’re better off getting 2 or 3 vey good players to lift the level, rather than 1 elite.

Westcoast last year applied the strategy of trading pick 2 for 2 later first rounders, and appear to be more than open to doing similar this year.

Conversely, we’re in a position where we don’t need much list turnover and already have a lot of talent in most positions. As we are limited to selecting 22 on game day, we’re better off consolidating the quantity of talent that comes with each pick, by trading for a sure-thing. We’d rather have 1 elite player in the side over 1 very good player in the side and another 2 at Casey. Depth is great to have but only to a point.

In theory.

Edited August 27, 2023 by Mach5

[Mach5 4,482]

45 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

In all seriousness, I can’t see how this will happen now. They’ll likely only trade down if they can get the local lad Curtin. His stocks have risen and he likely won’t be there for them at pick 4/5. If he’s off the table, then I’d think Reid is off the table. 

More likely now they either take Reid or Curtin with pick 1 rather than trade it.

Why is this so often seen as a given?

[Colm 1,477]

I think a lot is going to depend on what package if any the AFL hand North. I hope they don’t get pick 3 for McKay. But if they get access to Sanders they will want as many picks in the top 6/7 as possible as they will want picks before someone calls his name out. 

[Redleg 37,615]

1 hour ago, Engorged Onion said:

Hi draft enthusiasts. Can you walk me through how we could possibly get him, but more importantly - why would teams (ie: West Coast) want to trade with us so that we 'could' get him, what's the benefit to them?

For some reason, this stuff never sticks in my prefrontal cortex.

If WC want Curtin and can trade 1 for another pick that still gets him and they get a bonus pick or two, that is clearly better for them.

Curtin is a WA boy at 195 cms who can play midfield and key forward or back. He is apparently their main target.

If nobody trades with WC, they use pick 1 on him and that is it.

How we get Reid, if he is our main target, is up to JT convincing WC to trade.

The dangers seem to be North and Hawks threatening to take Curtin.

Curtin would have to convince those clubs, he would do a JHF in 2 years and that it is therefore their risk to select him.

[Engorged Onion 9,286]

16 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Westcoast’s list is in a putrid state. They need bulk early picks to regenerate. No use getting a star with pick 1 if he’ll leave like JHF after a year or 2 cos he’s sick of being obliterated weekly. They’re better off getting 2 or 3 vey good players to lift the level, rather than 1 elite.

Westcoast last year applied the strategy of trading pick 2 for 2 later first rounders, and appear to be more than open to doing similar this year.

Conversely, we’re in a position where we don’t need much list turnover and already have a lot of talent in most positions. As we are limited to selecting 22 on game day, we’re better off consolidating the quantity of talent that comes with each pick, by trading for a sure-thing. We’d rather have 1 elite player in the side over 1 very good player in the side and another 2 at Casey. Depth is great to have but only to a point.

In theory.

Thanks, that was a great way to explain it. 😀

[Viscount Cardwell 155]

1 hour ago, Lord Travis said:

In all seriousness, I can’t see how this will happen now. They’ll likely only trade down if they can get the local lad Curtin. His stocks have risen and he likely won’t be there for them at pick 4/5. If he’s off the table, then I’d think Reid is off the table. 

More likely now they either take Reid or Curtin with pick 1 rather than trade it.

I agree, my mock draft as is 

Possibly swap McKercher with O'Sullivan based on need, which pushes all draftees down 1 position.

Edited August 27, 2023 by Viscount Cardwell
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[Macca 16,173]

Where there is smoke, there's fire, and West Coast need multiple decent players, not just one potential gun

They (Eagles) might be interested in proven talent with any of their picks as well ... much like what we did when using numerous 1st & 2nd round picks over the years for established talent (May, Lever, Langdon, Brown, Melksham, Hibberd, Grundy & Hunter) ... as well as those traded for players who have come and gone

The Eagles need to stop the bleeding and they need to win games so they need players who can play now (much like when we needed the same)

So GNF is probably on the money ... an in-principle agreement for pick #1 is probably on the table

The question is, how much we're prepared to give up for pick #1? If Reid turns out to be an out and out star player, paying overs is no big deal at all

So #5 and 2 late first rounders should be enough but the deal could be quite complex and we might have to deal with another club first to satisfy the Eagles

But it shouldn't be forgotten that we can't put all our eggs in one basket up forward with just JVR, Petty and maybe Jefferson

So we'll need another KPF as well you'd imagine ... and May isn't getting any younger either so Petty might be a better fit at FB (down the track)

So if we're in the market for an established KPF, (or at least a KPF who has real potential) that's going to cost us as well

In Taylor we trust

[Binmans PA 26,121]

24 minutes ago, Viscount Cardwell said:

I agree, my mock draft as is 

Possibly swap McKercher with O'Sullivan based on need, which pushes all draftees down 1 position.

No way North gets three top 9 picks...

[Ethan Tremblay 28,402]

17 hours ago, Demons11 said:

Welcome Harley Reid 

Yup. With Eagles dropping back to the bottom of the ladder, it’s basically a done deal. Toot toot. 

[Pulp Fritschon 641]

WC will live trade the number 1 pick to us on draft night.

This thread will get a few more pages yet. 

[samcantstandya 920]

13 hours ago, samcantstandya said:

We won't have more than 3 picks in the draft when you factor Daniel Turner upgrade to the senior list in 2024. One of them will probably be K Brown as a senior/rookie pick. So I understand why we want to package them and dry for one. However, it's looking like West Coast are in the box seat over Adelaide. So North will finish last. No Reid deal unfortunately. So let's get 2 top ten players from Duursma, McKercher, Watson or O'Connor and go from there. 

North winning means WCE might still deal with us.

[Nascent 7,283]

1 hour ago, Viscount Cardwell said:

I agree, my mock draft as is 

Possibly swap McKercher with O'Sullivan based on need, which pushes all draftees down 1 position.

You can see how compromised this draft could potentially be. 

Just a note on your order, GC have pick 4 (pick 6 in your mock) and will presumably trade it out... so there will be another selection between Hawks and Melbourne with the GC Read bid notwithstanding. Might be us, might be another team. If your general order stays then we miss out on Duursma and we're looking at prospects from Caddy onwards.

Edited August 27, 2023 by Nascent