PREGAME: Rd 13 vs Collingwood

[kev martin 9,067]

42 minutes ago, bush demon said:

We need to counter their ploy with our own Oliver's army-style formation: 

Thanks for those beats. 

 

A couple of things:

Talk is cheap, do do do.

I would rather be at the "G" Monday, than anywhere else.

De Goey is being sent to J'Berg.

Arabs and Chinese are good for Melbourne. 

Can't wait for the return of the General (Oliver) to assist the Commander (Tracc).

Go Oliver's army, bring "it", and the swarm.

Edited June 4, 2023 by kev martin

[old dee 22,852]

Having watched yesterdays pies game I am confident we can beat them next week. We have the personal but we have to kick better than Friday night. If our delivery and kicking for goal does not improve we lose. It is that simple IMO. 

[IRW 1,225]

43 minutes ago, kev martin said:

Collingwood seem to want to choose when they "go" or not. If they play that kind of arrogant game plan, we will easily beat them. Especially without De Goey effecting the midfield battle.

I expect them to be "going", and we have to be "going" with them. If they get a good lead we will be done. This year we are better at playing for the 4 quarters. We've lost the capacity to put several goals on in short periods regularly (can't rely on a good burst) . 

If we sustain our pressure, effort and complete the fundamentals well for the 4 quarters, then we go a long way to beating them.

My question is, can the Woods play a hard fought 4 quarter game, as I think we can?

Go Dees

Given the Dee's 4 quarter games since they were premiers( basically 

none ) surely the question should be which team wins close ones.

[The heart beats true 16,129]

4 minutes ago, kev martin said:

Thanks for those beats. 

 

A couple of things:

Talk is cheap, do do do.

I would rather be at the "G" Monday, than anywhere else.

De Goey is being sent to J'Berg.

Arabs and Chinese are good for Melbourne. 

Can't wait for the return of the General (Oliver) to assist the Commander (Tracc).

Go Oliver's army, bring "it".

This is Elvis at the peak of his powers. He’s so good.

[kev martin 9,067]

4 minutes ago, IRW said:

Given the Dee's 4 quarter games since they were premiers( basically 

none ) surely the question should be which team wins close ones.

I believe they have changed that this season.

We used to win by playing one great quarter, now we are usually pushing for the whole game.

I agree about it being a close one.

Who will stand up in the last?

Edited June 4, 2023 by kev martin

[old55 21,297]

8 minutes ago, IRW said:

Given the Dee's 4 quarter games since they were premiers( basically 

none ) surely the question should be which team wins close ones.

We only played 3 good quarters in the 2021 GF

[kev martin 9,067]

3 hours ago, Roost it far said:

I still wonder if Oliver will actually play

He will play, given he wanted to play Friday (according to some interviews). 

My question, will he break down while out there. Hope he doesn't, but is he listening to his body? His rehab seemed to be go hard, work his way through it, by pushing.

 

 

[darkhorse72 1,725]

On 6/2/2023 at 9:17 PM, Bang Bang Bang said:

I dunno, he has exposed form at AFL level over many years now. He's not a world beater but if he struggles for impact in subpar conditions at Casey then I don't think that should put a line through his name. Joel Smith was promoted off less. 

I agree, some players are better at AFL level than VFL, for a number of reasons including the players around them.  Though like others I don't think we'll see him before the bye. 

[old55 21,297]

Collingwood's midfield bats deeper than ours so De Goey and Sidebottom are very handy outs.

MFC: Mids: Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Sparrow, Brayshaw // Wings: Langdon, Hunter

CFC: Mids: Pendlebury, N.Daicos, Mitchell, Crisp, Adams // Wings: J.Daicos, Hoskin-Elliott

Edited June 4, 2023 by old55

[demon3165 1,918]

1 hour ago, buck_nekkid said:

What if the VAR reviews the act and issues a red card. Player is immediately subbed out of the game.  If sub has already happened then bad luck, also subbed with no replacement. Seems to align with current processes.  Should only be used where VAR feels case goes immediately to tribunal (not just across mr Christian’s desk).

 

16 minutes ago, IRW said:

Yeah me too...its out grandfinal after all

Its a contract sport, it has been cleaned up from years gone by, many of these incidents are split decisions in the making, players are also at fault for head ducking prior to contact, leave the game alone, we don't need red cards.

[Colm 1,477]

I wonder what we are doing training/ loading wise leading up to this game given we don’t really have a bye but one game sandwiched by two ten day breaks. 
Would love us to be cherry ripe for the Pies game but we may be looking at priming ourselves for run home and finals. 

Edited June 4, 2023 by Colm

[kev martin 9,067]

3 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Its a contract sport, it has been cleaned up from years gone by, many of these incidents are split decisions in the making, players are also at fault for head ducking prior to contact, leave the game alone, we don't need red cards.

I agree with the sentiment. 

Though, I feel aggrieved when an irresponsible act, ends up with the victim not being able to continue, and the perpetrator keeps playing.

Not sure if a send off system will stop the "act", but the influence of being a player down can change the outcome.

Occasionally the "act" effects the perpetrator negatively, so swings and round abouts, I guess. 

Comfortable either way, though if send off becomes a rule, they would want to get it right. Half time tribunals (LOL). Prosecutors and defence barristers, with  magistrate in the review room. Unsustainable, especially if they have to pay Carlton like KC's.

Opens a can of worms.

With you, 3165. Leave the game alone.

[M_9 1,641]

30 minutes ago, old55 said:

Collingwood's midfield bats deeper than ours so De Goey and Sidebottom are very handy outs.

MFC: Mids: Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Sparrow, Brayshaw // Wings: Langdon, Hunter

CFC: Mids: Pendlebury, N.Daicos, Mitchell, Crisp, Adams // Wings: J.Daicos, Hoskin-Elliott

I’d add Kozzie to the mid-field mix.

[Redleg 37,576]

48 minutes ago, old dee said:

Having watched yesterdays pies game I am confident we can beat them next week. We have the personal but we have to kick better than Friday night. If our delivery and kicking for goal does not improve we lose. It is that simple IMO. 

They are hurt by pressure that turns the ball over in a fast break, while they are running forward.

It requires total buy in and selfless play, where a simple action, might lead to a goal scoring opportunity.

Cant give them time to use the ball effectively, especially the Daicos’s and Pendles.

[Kozzie4PM 765]

On 6/3/2023 at 12:21 AM, Chook said:

Gonna go on record here. This is the biggest game MFC has played in 50 years that actually doesn't really mean anything.

Pies by 25 but it doesn't, and I can't stress this enough, matter.

I think you're half right. If it's close it doesn't matter. If one team wins by 6 goals it matters.

[kev martin 9,067]

2 minutes ago, M_9 said:

I’d add Kozzie to the mid-field mix.

I'd like to see Kos stay in the forward area, as I feel he doesn't add enough to the midfield, and the swing seems to effect negatively, how he plays his roles. 

[old dee 22,852]

1 hour ago, IRW said:

Yeah me too...its out grandfinal after all

Funny IRW I was going to say but didn't because the cannot say anything funny mob would come out  crying negativity. 

Edited June 4, 2023 by old dee

[kev martin 9,067]

15 minutes ago, Kozzie4PM said:

I think you're half right. If it's close it doesn't matter. If one team wins by 6 goals it matters.

I think a win is crucial, no matter how close.

Gives a pecking order boost, though we can't play all our cards in this game. Have to hold a few secrets, till the finals period.

Wins create confidence and better a ladder position, that also reduces mental pressure and leaves us focusing on "building" and not so much on "learnings", especially as we enter the second half of the season.

Edited June 4, 2023 by kev martin

[Diamond_Jim 11,746]

Watched the replay of the Scottish FA Cup this morning between Celtic and Inverness.

For the first half they had sound mix problems. Nice loud crowd noise but barely audible commentary.

It was brilliant.

Unfortunately they fixed it for the second half.

Marvellous way to watch sport on TV

[forever demons 1,814]

5 minutes ago, kev martin said:

I think a win is crucial, no matter how close.

Gives a pecking order, though we can't play all our cards in this game. Have to hold a few secrets, till the finals period.

Wins create confidence and better a ladder position, that also reduces mental pressure and leaves us focusing on "building" and not so much on "learnings", especially as we enter the second half of the season.

Not the L word please

[Diamond_Jim 11,746]

3 hours ago, Jjrogan said:

The game needs a red card. That was a pathetic act. It takes one minute for a VAR or video confirmation. Every other sport has it and the universe doesnt implode. 

Do you play with only 17 on the field or one less on the bench. Most sports have the former

[speed demon 686]

2 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

I’m not a big fan of a continuous revolving doors forward set up, but Schache has had two pretty good weeks in a row in the VFL, while Smith didn’t do a whole lot on Friday. I understand the need for role players, but you can’t just rely on Fritsch to kick a bag when you’ve got JvR averaging 1 a game and Pickett the same. 

With Moore and Frampton both being >200cm then surely Goodwin brings in Schache to help with our height down there with Grundy/Gawn. You’d think then that Murphy takes JVR, Maynard on Fritsch, and Quaynor on Pickett.

Ins: Schache, Hibberd, Jordon (sub)

Outs: Smith, Bowey, Harmes.

I think they picked Smith for the Carlton game with a view to also playing him against Collingwood in a defensive role on Moore. See what this set up looks like before considering Brown after the bye if moving well. 

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1 hour ago, IRW said:

Yeah me too...its out grandfinal after all

We should look at it as a dress rehearsal for September 30

[Gawndy the Great 7,336]

4 hours ago, Redleg said:

According to Coach and Tracc he is a certainty.

I heard there was some tendon involved - so much bs in the media don’t know what to believe.

With De Goey out maybe we just give him the extra 2 weeks to get cherry ripe. 

[bandicoot 1,395]

1 hour ago, speed demon said:

I think they picked Smith for the Carlton game with a view to also playing him against Collingwood in a defensive role on Moore. See what this set up looks like before considering Brown after the bye if moving well. 

Smith got totally worked over by Carlton. Kept of moved off the ball. He is giving up 10cm and 10kg to moore . He isn’t the solution. Moore will have a field day.