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PREGAME: Rd 13 vs Collingwood


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2 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

I really hope this is what’s behind his mobility issues. We need him finding some form coming into December.

What's happening in December, besides Xmas? Is he dressing up as Santa?

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17 minutes ago, loges said:

Really, I don't think we commit to as many players running forward with the ball carrier as they do.

No we don't.

And we have a triangle defense structure with a goalkeeper defender as on of its points, where they have almost flat line defense that pushes up as one - but can be exposed out the back on turnover.

But our optimal game plan still heavily relies on wave running and multiple players running ahead of the ball to provide options.

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31 minutes ago, YearOfTheDees said:

Interesting betting market on this game. We opened a lot shorter then I expected and strangely we are just getting shorter.  I was looking forward to being the outsiders for once. Pies are still Favorites but not by much. 

Yes....saw that before too.

It's only interesting...and not indicative ( as such ) 

Bookies have got us wrong a few times this year lol.

But the trend is a curiosity. 

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3 hours ago, jnrmac said:

And they won't let Daicos take the kick ins and run and receive the hand off either.

Also need to pick him up after that when he heads downfield as the +1 (in some cases the +2) at contests & stoppages

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58 minutes ago, Redleg said:

What's happening in December, besides Xmas? Is he dressing up as Santa?

Hopefully he gets through that Melbourne Cup Carnival period. Renowned for 'loading' to be cherry ripe on that big day in December. 

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4 hours ago, jnrmac said:

No way they drop Smith. Goodwin is primed for Collingwood and bringing Smith in as a defensive fwd on Moore is what will happen. It's the same role he has used Petty for previously.

And they won't let Daicos take the kick ins and run and receive the hand off either.

Absolutely agree re Smith on Moore. Was at the WC v Pies game & Moore is crucial to them & their run off half back.

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2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Yes....saw that before too.

It's only interesting...and not indicative ( as such ) 

Bookies have got us wrong a few times this year lol.

But the trend is a curiosity. 

If you do a bit of a deep dive into the Pies games ..who they’ve beaten ..where  they’ve beaten them & the form that team was in when they beat them …it’s not mind blowing. i.e. Geelong & Port at the G when both teams were very ordinary at the beginning of the season etc. After seeing them live against WC …they certainly looked very ordinary when WC put pressure on them. If we improve a little more especially in our forward connection we should have a win. 

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David King saying we have to beat Collingwood to make the top 4, can you believe it? 

So we have to win the hardest game of the year, out of the remaining 10 or so matches to make the top 4. Even though we're in there by a game and percentage right now.

Makes no sense at all. 

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10 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

David King saying we have to beat Collingwood to make the top 4, can you believe it? 

So we have to win the hardest game of the year, out of the remaining 10 or so matches to make the top 4. Even though we're in there by a game and percentage right now.

Makes no sense at all. 

He also said we are not in his top 4 contenders this week…. Instead he put in Freo

The man is a walking yo-yo 

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36 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

He also said we are not in his top 4 contenders this week…. Instead he put in Freo

The man is a walking yo-yo 

He's unlistenable. Speaks in a disappointed/angry dad tone about every topic. Have pretty much avoided all media with him in it this year until now. I used to enjoy Crunch Time on SEN Saturday morning. But with Huddo defecting to 3AW, they now have either David King, Mark McClure or Dermie on each week, and I've barely made it past 20 minutes.   🤮 

3AW & ABC have now become far far superior.

I know it's worn out topic but I had to vent! 

  

 

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2 hours ago, 58er said:

Still reckon we are a no show for the 8   dl4e ?

Possibly. A win against Carlton certainly helped but lets be honest we are not playing good footy. If we can beat the filth I will gladly start to eat my words.

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I am cautiously optimistic and will tip us

Maybe I'm in the minority but thought the game against Carlton was somewhat reminiscent of a 2021 version of us - where we won ugly by strangling the opposition through excellent defence

It felt like we got our mojo back a bit. Or maybe Carlton are just really bad? 

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1 hour ago, John Demonic said:

David King saying we have to beat Collingwood to make the top 4, can you believe it? 

So we have to win the hardest game of the year, out of the remaining 10 or so matches to make the top 4. Even though we're in there by a game and percentage right now.

Makes no sense at all. 

I used to like David King but he’s pretty hard work nowadays, he flips and flops so much you just have to laugh. 

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17 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Grant Thomas says De Goey should get 1 week.

Yep, say no more.

The man who said Gawn had no right to be sad about a potentially career ending ACL, is definitely the man to listen to on all matters. 

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9 hours ago, jnrmac said:

I am sensing this game is similar to the Melb v Geelong game last year.

Geelong were traumatised by Melbourne in 2021 and set about revamping their game plan to combat Melbourne. Everything about the changes was designed to combat melbourne who Chris Scott thought had changed the game and that Geelong would inevitably play in a finals game.

So they went about putting huge pressure on Gawn when May kicked to the left hand side of the ground. They made Lever accountable and chip kicked their way through our defence. They revealed their plan to have Stanley take the ruck contest and then drop back to support their defence. The had Blix tag Petracca and take the ruck contests in the middle of the ground with Hawkins taking the ruck in the fwd half. They then parked that combination until finals and the rest is history.

Goodwin has set us up for this game. He knows they are the benchmark and they have had the wood on us (although last year's game was more a case of our injuries mid-game costing us big time). 

As visually poor as our game was against Carlton, Our defensive work and stoppage work was first class. It was a whole of team performance and goes a long way to how we are planning to beat the Pies.

The Pies swarm the contest and then run and carry the ball. We won't allow that to happen. they will be put under pressure and will have to kick sideways and backwards in order to maintain possession. But they are not used to having to backtrack and will be out of position everywhere. And if we can get the ball out of the congestion or turn the ball over, they will be way out of position and outnumbered down back.

I think this will be a very tactical game and the Dees will come out on top. We have let Oliver rest up and even rested Hibberd to be cherry ripe. Grundy will be fired up.

I am excited for this one and starting to get very positive about our chances.

 

 

Completely agree.

We've tweaked our game style to beat Collingwood. We've become the scores from turnover kings, which is Collingwood's kryptonite, because as you say, they commit so many numbers to the contest and forward of centre, that they concede on slingshot if you can pressure them and/or win the initial stoppage contest.

On resting Hibberd and having a fresh Oliver, they also clearly managed Grundy in game last week, playing only 67% TOG.

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3 minutes ago, A F said:

Completely agree.

We've tweaked our game style to beat Collingwood. We've become the scores from turnover kings, which is Collingwood's kryptonite, because as you say, they commit so many numbers to the contest and forward of centre, that they concede on slingshot if you can pressure them and/or win the initial stoppage contest.

On resting Hibberd and having a fresh Oliver, they also clearly managed Grundy in game last week, playing only 67% TOG.

He's been averaging around this game time for the past 7 weeks.. so in other words since Gawn has come back in.

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24 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

The man who said Gawn had no right to be sad about a potentially career ending ACL, is definitely the man to listen to on all matters. 

I wonder if these blokes are just shock jocks, or they think they are geniuses, who know more than everyone else.

I don’t recall Thomas saying ANB was hard done by, for getting 4 weeks in a 17 game season, for a sling tackle that didn’t injure the victim.

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7 hours ago, Docs Demons said:

Need to also some how stop him from using the knee in ruck contests. Has a habit of leading with the knee then may look at the ball. Trust the Umps keep a close eye on it.

Trust the Umps !!!???

DD, sorry and I don’t mean to insult,  but are you naïve?  
Never trust an umpire, and especially against Collingwood. 
 

But yes I agree with the sentiment - the maggots should be worded up by their coach to stamp down on this scum. 

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1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

He's been averaging around this game time for the past 7 weeks.. so in other words since Gawn has come back in.

Spot on. I think the point stands though. They're managing him in game, it would seem likely to have him ready to go against his former team. Or maybe they'll continue doing this to balance out our reliance on him during the Gawn injury weeks.

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