COACHES VOTES: Rd 11 2021

[Swooper1987 2,745]

Western Bulldogs v Melbourne

9 Max Gawn (MELB)
9 Clayton Oliver (MELB)
4 James Harmes (MELB)
4 Jake Lever (MELB)
3 Christian Petracca (MELB)
1 Tom McDonald (MELB)

Leaderboard

61 Clayton Oliver MELB
50 Marcus Bontempelli WB
50 Hugh McCluggage BL
47 Touk Miller GCFC
47 Darcy Parish ESS
46 Ollie Wines PORT
45 Zach Merrett ESS
44 Samuel Walsh CARL
43 Max Gawn MELB
39 David Mundy FRE
37 Jarryd Lyons BL
36 Taylor Walker ADEL
33 Jacob Hopper GWS
33 Jack Macrae WB
33 Christian Salem MELB
32 Tim Kelly WCE
32 Dustin Martin RICH
32 Christian Petracca MELB
30 Travis Boak PORT
30 Mitch Duncan GEEL
30 Cameron Guthrie GEEL
30 Jake Lever MELB
30 Tom McDonald MELB
30 Nic Naitanui WCE

Good to see that Gawn was rightfully acknowledged for what was an outstanding ruckman's game.  He is now 9th overall.  Oliver comfortably in front by 11 votes (61) to Bont and McCluggage both on 50.  Gawn 43, Salem 15th on 33, Petracca 18th on 32, Lever and McDonald equal 21st on 30.

[Lucifers Hero 37,006]

Coaches Split:

• 5/4 Oliver and Gawn
• 3/1 or 2/2 Harmes/Lever
• 3/0 Petracca
• 1/0 McDonald

Interesting that Beveridge said he didn't see a 28pt loss as something to worry about.  That he couldn't find a single vote for any of his players in his up till then top of the ladder team, suggests he has quite a bit to worry about.

Only 2 defenders on the leader board:  Lever and Salem.  Our defence is certainly getting a lot of respect from opp coaches.  Of course May deserves to be there but there are only so many votes available.

Edited May 31, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

[Superunknown 3,311]

17 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Coaches Split:

• 5/4 Oliver and Gawn
• 3/1 or 2/2 Harmes/Lever
• 3/0 Petracca
• 1/0 McDonald

Interesting that Beveridge said he didn't see a 28pt loss as something to worry about.  That he couldn't find a single vote for any of his players in his up till then top of the ladder team, suggests he has quite a bit to worry about.

Only 2 defenders on the leader board:  Lever and Salem.  Our defence is certainly getting a lot of respect from opp coaches.  Of course May deserves to be there but there are only so many votes available.

The two aren't mutually exclusive - Beveridge is so objective he can award no points to his players, but is so confident in his system, his players and ability to adjust, he is unworried. I mean, they've won a GF and are second so it's hardly a disaster.

[Demonland 64,798]

 

[DubDee 20,570]

A fair few of us didn’t have Gawn in the top 6. I think we might have gotten used to his excellent performances 

[Big Col 1,066]

52 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Coaches Split:

• 5/4 Oliver and Gawn
• 3/1 or 2/2 Harmes/Lever
• 3/0 Petracca
• 1/0 McDonald

Interesting that Beveridge said he didn't see a 28pt loss as something to worry about.  That he couldn't find a single vote for any of his players in his up till then top of the ladder team, suggests he has quite a bit to worry about.

Only 2 defenders on the leader board:  Lever and Salem.  Our defence is certainly getting a lot of respect from opp coaches.  Of course May deserves to be there but there are only so many votes available.

The 3/0 split on Petracca is interesting.
Was it Beveridge giving him 3 votes because you really notice him, and Goodwin thinking 'meh, just another good game, nothing special' or the other way round?
I think it more likely that Goodwin gave Harmes 3 votes given the way Goodwin, May etc spoke about Harmes post-game. (BTW I don't think it's possible that Harmes/Lever were split 2/2 but my brain is hurting with the maths).

[adonski 9,143]

Would have thought Goody would have given Gus a vote

[Swooper1987 2,745]

12 minutes ago, DubDee said:

A fair few of us didn’t have Gawn in the top 6. I think we might have gotten used to his excellent performances 

Taken for granted by quite a few is Maxy!

[Big Col 1,066]

Just now, Swooper1987 said:

Taken for granted by quite a few is Maxy!

I was thinking the same thing!

[Big Col 1,066]

Re Brownlow.
I did a calculation on Brownlow votes if they matched AFLCA between Clarry and Bont. 

After Rd11:

Bont is on 13.5 votes with a range 12-14.

Clarry is on 14.5 votes with a range 12-18.

Not sure about other players.

Clarry has possibly 4 BOGs so far. Another 4 in the second half and the Charlie is probably his.

[titan_uranus 22,321]

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

A fair few of us didn’t have Gawn in the top 6. I think we might have gotten used to his excellent performances 

Yes, and as a result too many set unfairly high expectations on him.

[Chook 14,471]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

 

St Kilda could go another 50 years and never assemble a better side then they did in 2009, and still they didn’t win a flag. 
Premierships are damn hard to win. You’ve just got to grab them when you have the chance because they won’t lay down for the taking. 

[Jaded No More 57,800]

Time for Clarry to get the peroxide out. He is a Salem home hairdressing Covid job away from a Charlie. 

[leave it to deever 15,327]

Without seeing the other votes I wonder who are our next best.

I would put

Langdon

May

Fritta

Rivers

 

Im surprised Langdon isnt in the group mentioned. Really flying under the attention of most. A big factor in our ten one ratio.

[WalkingCivilWar 31,406]

20 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Time for Clarry to get the peroxide out. He is a Salem home hairdressing Covid job away from a Charlie. 

Noooo! Not nearly enough rangas have won the BL. 
Adam Cooney was the most recent?

Edited May 31, 2021 by WalkingCivilWar

[Earl Hood 5,789]

2 hours ago, adonski said:

Would have thought Goody would have given Gus a vote

Yes interesting that role players that excel at their role don’t get coaches votes either! Never expect the outside observers to recognise the role players. Of course in the club B&F voting they usually do get some votes, but interesting the coaches don’t throw the odd one vote to their favourite role player. 

[Gorgoroth 12,317]

Surprised McCrae didn’t rate a mention

[Earl Hood 5,789]

2 hours ago, adonski said:

Would have thought Goody would have given Gus a vote

Yes interesting that role players that excel at their role don’t get coaches votes either! Never expect the outside observers to recognise the role players. Of course in the club B&F voting they usually do get some votes, but interesting the coaches don’t throw the odd one vote to their favourite role player. 

[Gawndy the Great 7,334]

1 hour ago, Earl Hood said:

Yes interesting that role players that excel at their role don’t get coaches votes either! Never expect the outside observers to recognise the role players. Of course in the club B&F voting they usually do get some votes, but interesting the coaches don’t throw the odd one vote to their favourite role player. 

Well he got a lot of touches but didn’t do much damage. 

[Earl Hood 5,789]

1 hour ago, CYB said:

Well he got a lot of touches but didn’t do much damage. 

But Bradshaw got a lot of love on the night from several commentators for his continual defensive work, breaking up the Doggies efforts to run the ball out of their defence. Played an important role I think. 

[Demonstone 19,095]

Poor old Gus.  We drafted him seven years ago and people still call him "Bradshaw".  

[Superunknown 3,311]

14 hours ago, Jaded said:

Time for Clarry to get the peroxide out. He is a Salem home hairdressing Covid job away from a Charlie. 

I agree, short back and sides or a 1950s Madman hair do. Definitely not a Don Mattingly sideburns job though.

[TRIGON 4,715]

14 hours ago, Jaded said:

Time for Clarry to get the peroxide out. He is a Salem home hairdressing Covid job away from a Charlie. 

No. With his complexion he'd just end up looking like a pimple.

[John Crow Batty 8,255]

Well it was good response by our captain after his poor effort against the Crows. Well deserved.

[Watson11 1,882]

39 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

Well it was good response by our captain after his poor effort against the Crows. Well deserved.

You mean the lacklustre 20 disposals at 85% efficiency, 10 marks, 5 contested marks, 13 contested possessions, 6 score involvements, goal, and 32 hit outs with 9 to advantage poor effort against the crows?