POSTGAME: Rd 05 v Hawthorn

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

31 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Coaches votes:

10   Max Gawn (MELB)

7     Christian Salem (MELB)

4     Tom McDonald (MELB)

3     Christian Petracca (MELB)

3    Clayton Oliver (MELB)

2    Jaeger O'Meara (HAW)

1    Jake Lever (MELB)

Coach Spli

• 5/5  Gawn
• 4/0 McDonald
• 4/3 Salem
• 3/0 or 2/1  Petracca and Oliver
• 2/0 O'Meara
• 1/0 Lever

Agreement for the first Gawn and Salem not so on the others.

This is three weeks running that coaches have agreed the top 2 but little if any agreement on the others.

Leader Board

32	Max Gawn	MELB
28	David Mundy	FRE
28	Taylor Walker	ADEL
25	Jack Macrae	WB
23	Dustin Martin	RICH
23	Clayton Oliver	MELB
21	Ollie Wines	PORT
19	Toby Greene	GWS
18	Travis Boak	PORT
18	Marcus Bontempelli	WB
18	Josh Dunkley	WB
18	Rory Laird	ADEL
18	Christian Petracca	MELB
18	Christian Salem	MELB

Max is the clear leader! What a champion

4 Demons in the top 15!

So Trac has polled in all 5 games.,  His consistency has been amazing.   And Salem has been amazing too.

Four Demons in the top 13, not bad.

Also Ed Langdon didnt get a vote. I didn't have  him in my votes either which shows my superior footy nous.  He was very good though just didnt get much of the ball.

Edited April 19, 2021 by Pickett2Jackson

[Bay Riffin 1,416]

21 hours ago, chook fowler said:

Even though Jackson isn’t tearing games apart he is holding his own in the ruck and getting plenty of ball. He is allowing Max to drift forward and back and is a big factor in Max having a stellar season.

This. There was a play where they were closing in on us and Jackson handballed to max then came back to Jackson then out of danger. Remarkably good by two ruckmen. 

[Billy 1,966]

One of the big positives about the game was getting Hibberd back, god l love the way this bloke plays 

 

[whatwhat say what 18,969]

I’d say from my spot on afl members it was 60/40 Melbourne’s way

Plus as everyone knows we are one of the LOUDEST supporter bases in the competition  

[old55 21,339]

17 minutes ago, Billy said:

One of the big positives about the game was getting Hibberd back, god l love the way this bloke plays 

 

Q3 22:20 onwards "Hibberd - diving, saving, lunging smother was superb"

Edited April 19, 2021 by Pollyanna

[Pates 9,537]

I was just reading The Age match report on it and this little bit caught my eye.

"Despite not being the closest umpire to the ball, he paid a free kick for a marking infringement against Hawk Harry Morrison during the second quarter, leading to a gimme goal for Langdon. The Hawthorn home fans weren’t happy with the decision, and neither was the legendary David Parkin, who didn’t mince his words while commentating for the ABC, saying Margetts should be dropped for the decision."

It was regarding the umpire paying that free kick for chopping the arms directly in front of goal. The umpires had a pretty poor game with some bizarre decisions on both sides and I'll also say I think we got most of the important 50/50's. But that was definitely not one of them, in no way shape or form did Morrison spoil Langdon legally and if Parkin doesn't know that he shouldn't be commenting full stop. The game and the rules have changed, get with it or retire from commentary.

I've also had a bit of further reflection on the game and the thing that keeps popping up is that our first few wins I felt came mostly from even performances across the board and teamwork. The Hawks match I think was mainly down to individual efforts from Gawn, Petracca (who I think still could've been better), Oliver, Langdon, and Lever. I'm not saying everyone else was poor but in other weeks I think our bottom 6 have been still quite decent, I'd say that wasn't the case this time. Jones in particular is lucky that he's on the cusp of 300 and is practically undroppable because of it. It doesn't sound great but it's the truth, had he been on say 297 or passed the 300 he would be first on the block.

Ultimately we got the win with only playing good footy for one quarter, it's another tick for the club. Now the real test comes.

[DEE fence 4,471]

8 hours ago, Jara said:

I know everyone has says this, but we've had nobody like him since the early Aaron Davey.

In terms of excitement for sure. And while my beloved Aaron Davey could lay a tackle and invented forward pressure Kozzie is much more menacing with his tackles. Davey was much cleaner by foot something I hope will come with Kozzie. Kozzie reminds me of a human missile, when he starts running I laugh like I'm riding a S1000RR, it's crazy fast.

[DEE fence 4,471]

2 hours ago, Bay Riffin said:

This. There was a play where they were closing in on us and Jackson handballed to max then came back to Jackson then out of danger. Remarkably good by two ruckmen. 

Thought Jackson was stiff when Tmac played on, was definitely a Mark, and a very brave one as well, running back with the flight and got properly cleaned up, didn't get the stat to go with it. Tmac did the team thing btw, just felt Jackson deserved more pats on the bum.

[Accepting Mediocrity 1,418]

46 minutes ago, Pates said:

The umpires had a pretty poor game with some bizarre decisions on both sides and I'll also say I think we got most of the important 50/50's.

I'm not generally one to criticize umpires, because they are set an almost impossible task by the AFL with perennially changing 'interpretations' and so many grey areas - but the umpires had a shocker I thought. No doubt we had the rub of the green most of the day.

It's probably been mentioned elsewhere on here, but that reversal of the HTB decision in our forwardline because of a subsequent high tackle is one of the most creative pieces of adjudication I have ever seen in a game of AFL. 

[Pates 9,537]

On another one regarding rules and umpiring, there was a very interesting situation brewing with the goal TMac kicked after the Jackson free kick. The quick nature of it meant that Tom couldn't have been judged to "take the advantage" but because it was ending with a score review that seemed to supersede that adjudication. Now had it been found to have been touched or had the goal umpire called it initially as touched we would have been robbed of a practically certain goal because of this glitch in the rules when it comes to score reviewing.

Surely in that instance logic should dictate that in the event of it being found as touched they take it back to Jackson to take his shot on goal. I think that was what TMac was arguing to the umpire, that his grabbing of the ball and kicking the goal was pure instinct and not a decision to take advantage (I think it even happened as the whistle was blown).

[CHF 2,602]

There has been a lot of talk over many years about our lack of ability to develop our young players. However, I found it interesting that at the first bounce on Sunday we had Petracca, Oliver and Kossie at Max's feet while Hawthorn had Mitchell, O'Meara and Wingard in the center square.

Our three have all been developed in house via the draft and the Hawk's three were all imported as mostly finished articles from other clubs. It has to be recognised that we have had access to a lot more early draft picks than Hawks. having said that, out talent spotting has been very good in the drafts. Kossie and Oliver were considered as 'brave' picks. Petracca fell into our laps because of the Saints preference for a forward.

In defence it is different. We have an imported defence with Hibberd, Lever, Tomlinson and May.

!7 of last week's team of 23 came to us through the draft and been developed in-house.

Given the way we are travelling, our development of mids is very good but it seems we need to import key defenders. In all other areas of the ground except for the wings we have developed our players very well over the last 5 years or so.

Maybe with Yze and Williams joining Goodwin they have all added some polish to the almost finished goods.

[Chook 14,502]

2 hours ago, Pates said:

On another one regarding rules and umpiring, there was a very interesting situation brewing with the goal TMac kicked after the Jackson free kick. The quick nature of it meant that Tom couldn't have been judged to "take the advantage" but because it was ending with a score review that seemed to supersede that adjudication. Now had it been found to have been touched or had the goal umpire called it initially as touched we would have been robbed of a practically certain goal because of this glitch in the rules when it comes to score reviewing.

Surely in that instance logic should dictate that in the event of it being found as touched they take it back to Jackson to take his shot on goal. I think that was what TMac was arguing to the umpire, that his grabbing of the ball and kicking the goal was pure instinct and not a decision to take advantage (I think it even happened as the whistle was blown).

Very eloquent is Tom, and he made a lot of sense as heard through the mike. Not that the umpire would ever be expected to listen.

[pineapple dee 2,892]

It took us 3 quarters to get on top of the Hawks.

Not good enough !! 

SACK GOODWIN !!!!!!!

[durango 1,978]

21 minutes ago, CHF said:

There has been a lot of talk over many years about our lack of ability to develop our young players. However, I found it interesting that at the first bounce on Sunday we had Petracca, Oliver and Kossie at Max's feet while Hawthorn had Mitchell, O'Meara and Wingard in the center square.

Our three have all been developed in house via the draft and the Hawk's three were all imported as mostly finished articles from other clubs. It has to be recognised that we have had access to a lot more early draft picks than Hawks. having said that, out talent spotting has been very good in the drafts. Kossie and Oliver were considered as 'brave' picks. Petracca fell into our laps because of the Saints preference for a forward.

In defence it is different. We have an imported defence with Hibberd, Lever, Tomlinson and May.

!7 of last week's team of 23 came to us through the draft and been developed in-house.

Given the way we are travelling, our development of mids is very good but it seems we need to import key defenders. In all other areas of the ground except for the wings we have developed our players very well over the last 5 years or so.

Maybe with Yze and Williams joining Goodwin they have all added some polish to the almost finished goods.

Actually all 4 players from Hawthorn were recuits from other clubs whilst our 4 were recruits developed by the MFC from the draft

[pineapple dee 2,892]

2 minutes ago, Chook said:

Very eloquent is Tom, and he made a lot of sense as heard through the mike. Not that the umpire would ever be expected to listen.

You might as well talk to the cat !!

You'll get no sensible reply from an umpire !!

[titan_uranus 22,363]

Just looking over our fixture again helps to reaffirm how important these early season wins are.

Our final seven weeks is brutal: Port away, Hawthorn, Gold Coast away, the Dogs, West Coast away, Adelaide, Geelong in Geelong.

Every second week is interstate/in Geelong, and one of the home games is against the Dogs.

It's going to be a tough run into the finals. We won't want to be relying on late-season wins for a finals berth.

[BAMF 3,787]

3 hours ago, Accepting Mediocrity said:

I'm not generally one to criticize umpires, because they are set an almost impossible task by the AFL with perennially changing 'interpretations' and so many grey areas - but the umpires had a shocker I thought. No doubt we had the rub of the green most of the day.

It's probably been mentioned elsewhere on here, but that reversal of the HTB decision in our forwardline because of a subsequent high tackle is one of the most creative pieces of adjudication I have ever seen in a game of AFL. 

I watched the replay on kayo today. Post match commentary from Dermott Brerenton has him absolutely giving it to the umpires for that decision and also the Gawn v McEvoy decision not too long after. I've never heard him give it to the umpires so badly before.

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 3,822]

6 hours ago, Pollyanna said:

Q3 22:20 onwards "Hibberd - diving, saving, lunging smother was superb"

The 12-point turnaround of this particularly, preceded by Rivers' involvement, then the Langdon-Pickett-Jones(yes, Jones!)-Hibberd(again!!)-Melksham-Petracca-Jackson-McDonald chain should have been Demonland's VOTW. Trac just doing what Trac does is so 'yesterday'!?

[Demonland 64,943]

 

[CHF 2,602]

4 hours ago, durango said:

Actually all 4 players from Hawthorn were recuits from other clubs whilst our 4 were recruits developed by the MFC from the draft

True that.

[Cassiew 1,870]

Thought we came back great in the last quarter, but man did we struggle with a bottom team most of the match. I will still take the win though, go Dees! I really hope the return of Brown lifts us for Richmond. 

On a side note, I can’t see any demon winning the brownlow. Too many shining stars and they really share the talent around. Not that that’s an altogether bad thing ?

[Nasher 33,047]

12 hours ago, Pollyanna said:

Q3 22:20 onwards "Hibberd - diving, saving, lunging smother was superb"

Just watch that again. Absolutely great effort by Rivers too to interfere with Wingard’s run without giving away a free. Hibberd’s heroics wouldn’t have happened without that.

[Accepting Mediocrity 1,418]

15 hours ago, Pates said:

On another one regarding rules and umpiring, there was a very interesting situation brewing with the goal TMac kicked after the Jackson free kick.

Yep that was a weird one - if TMac had clearly missed the goal without the need for a review, the ball probably would have been given back to Jackson. Grey area for sure.

[leave it to deever 15,373]

Max literally skipping around collecting high fives, celebrating after his goal in the last qrt was so funny.

Looks to be enjoying himself.

Edited April 20, 2021 by leave it to deever