Yze is a Demon Again

[Coq au vin 754]

36 minutes ago, Pates said:

First off this is a great appointed, forgetting that he’s a favourite son of the club he has lots of runs on the board as an assistant to the best coach of the decade. 

The fact that he is a favourite son who gave us some great memories just adds an element of romanticism to it that warms the heart after a frustrating year. 

With all the chatter about what this means for Goody there’s a couple of different schools of thought. For me the way I look at it is this: entering into a season where it was always finals or bust for Simon we have managed to get him the assistance of one of the highest rated assistant coaches in the game. It minimises the excuses for Simon and he should be stoked to have someone of Adem’s quality on board. 

The other way to look at it is this: the club isn’t confident in Simon’s ability to lead the team and is putting a succession plan in place in advance with Yze potentially taking over mid-late next year if results go poorly. 

 It for now can we just not enjoy have Oooooooooooooze back at the club?

Why?

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,579]

4 hours ago, Pates said:

for now can we just not enjoy have Oooooooooooooze back at the club?

F@#% yeah!

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,579]

13 hours ago, Demon17 said:

Interestingly there's only 9 months or so between them age-wise. 43-44.

yet I would value Yze's near decade under Clarkson and insdie the hawks machine (with fagan as well) as far more valuable than Goody's time at the Bombers and with us under Roos.

If Yze can build on the CV with a successful stint helping Dees into finals, he will be the enxt in line for elsewhere .

Good luck to him.

Rapt to have Yze on board.

But I don't completely buy into the Clarkson/Hawthorn success comparison.

Equally premierships as a player:

Yze:  0

Goodwin:  2

 

Sometimes I think it comes down to the luck of being in right place at the right time and just because you are associated with past sucess or not doesn't necessarily equip you any better.  That said all reports are that both Yze and Goodwin have quality skill sets in particular areas and hopefully that ultimately brings us sucess with them and our current team.

[Demon17 4,543]

16 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Rapt to have Yze on board.

But I don't completely buy into the Clarkson/Hawthorn success comparison.

Equally premierships as a player:

Yze:  0

Goodwin:  2

 

Sometimes I think it comes down to the luck of being in right place at the right time and just because you are associated with past sucess or not doesn't necessarily equip you any better.  That said all reports are that both Yze and Goodwin have quality skill sets in particular areas and hopefully that ultimately brings us sucess with them and our current team.

There's no definitve eveidence or patterns on the benefits, or not,  to being a top coach to playing in earlier premierships. For every Barassi, there's a Hafey for example (or maybe a Fagan). Being a former elite player can help though. e.g. Phil Jackson in the NBA. Yze is an AA player. Some at Adelaide rate Goodwin as the Crows best to date skipper also. He definitely has pedigree - just not yet in coaching and off-field leadership.

You last point is a good one. The Age reports Yze, apart from strategy,  has also been gaolkicking coach,, line coach, and a development coach under the greatest modern coach in our times.

A real coup to get him into what I consider our glaring FD weaknesses (albeit defence is now sorted ).

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,579]

Will be really good to see what wounders the Ooooz can do with Fristch.  If he can turn around Fritta's pretty ordanary set shot goal kicking from this year, we would be a 1 or 2 goal per game better side from that alone.

I'm interested to see what the core intended role for Yze is at the club, but surely whatever it is his kicking coaching will form a pretty important side role.

[jnrmac 18,953]

On 10/10/2020 at 7:51 AM, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Rapt to have Yze on board.

But I don't completely buy into the Clarkson/Hawthorn success comparison.

Equally premierships as a player:

Yze:  0

Goodwin:  2

 

Sometimes I think it comes down to the luck of being in right place at the right time and just because you are associated with past sucess or not doesn't necessarily equip you any better.  That said all reports are that both Yze and Goodwin have quality skill sets in particular areas and hopefully that ultimately brings us sucess with them and our current team.

Luck does play a part but Goodwin's success was 1997-98

Yze's association is much more relevant and recent. The number of Clarkson apprentices that have gone on to do good things is first rate.

Goodwin sadly needs a lot of babysitting and our coaching assistants to date have had a notable lack of success.

So its a good move but IMO the sooner he goes the better for the MFC

[old55 21,288]

On 10/9/2020 at 5:19 PM, Diamond_Jim said:

Goodwin's position this time last year and now are chalk and cheese as we all know.

He now effectively has until the mid season bye next year and if unsuccessful Yze will be given the remainder of the year to see what he can do.

Another performance like  2020 won't and shouldn't be tolerated.

If by chance Goodwin is successful Yze will be into the next available senior coaching position which is probably North at the end of 2022 with a possibility of Adelaide or the Hawks.

You see things through a strange prism.

Goodwin was definitely on notice in 2020 - the result we achieved was equivocal and the year was crazy so he will survive, if we'd had a year like Essendon or GWS I believe he would be sacked now.

I see 2021 as a replay of the expectations of 2020, we need to make finals and put up a good showing in them or he's gone.

[Diamond_Jim 11,743]

1 hour ago, Pollyanna said:

You see things through a strange prism.

Goodwin was definitely on notice in 2020 - the result we achieved was equivocal and the year was crazy so he will survive, if we'd had a year like Essendon or GWS I believe he would be sacked now.

I see 2021 as a replay of the expectations of 2020, we need to make finals and put up a good showing in them or he's gone.

2020 equivocal...

let me borrow those rose coloured glasses

An injury free team that won one game against equal/superior opposition (St Kilda) by a point. Collingwood were injury riddled when we met them and we failed against every other team in the 8 during home and away for the third year running (except GWS in 2018). He's treading water at best.

Glad to see you think he'll go next year if he repeats this year.. if not for the money he'd be gone this year and we all know that

[old55 21,288]

44 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

2020 equivocal...

let me borrow those rose coloured glasses

An injury free team that won one game against equal/superior opposition (St Kilda) by a point. Collingwood were injury riddled when we met them and we failed against every other team in the 8 during home and away for the third year running (except GWS in 2018). He's treading water at best.

Glad to see you think he'll go next year if he repeats this year.. if not for the money he'd be gone this year and we all know that

No, for the record I don't agree. You can read my previous post for my position.

[monoccular 16,058]

On 10/9/2020 at 4:48 PM, Mazer Rackham said:

I've got the funny feeling that the situation you allude to was pre-Worsfold and just may have involved a golden haired idol who was in over his head.

Mazer.  I have always been intrigued by the irony of the Bummers, at the low they were in after their unconscionable drug experimentation, appointing a pharmacist as their head coach.  Intriguing.  

[pitmaster 3,063]

On 10/10/2020 at 7:51 AM, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Rapt to have Yze on board.

But I don't completely buy into the Clarkson/Hawthorn success comparison.

Equally premierships as a player:

Yze:  0

Goodwin:  2

 

 

Yes but...Goodwin was a kid in those flags. A punk.

[Grimes Times 1,278]

On 10/9/2020 at 6:03 PM, McQueen said:

FIIK ?

 

well Brisbane coaches seem to be going OK with an underwhelming group with VFL experience.?

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,395]

On 10/10/2020 at 7:51 AM, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Rapt to have Yze on board.

But I don't completely buy into the Clarkson/Hawthorn success comparison.

Equally premierships as a player:

Yze:  0

Goodwin:  2

 

Sometimes I think it comes down to the luck of being in right place at the right time and just because you are associated with past sucess or not doesn't necessarily equip you any better.  That said all reports are that both Yze and Goodwin have quality skill sets in particular areas and hopefully that ultimately brings us sucess with them and our current team.

I've always believed (without evidence, just a hunch) that a senior coach needs to have the experience of being involved in winning a Premiership. It could be as a player, coach (senior or assistant) or as a football manager. Winning Premierships doesn't just happen; it needs a lot to go right and if your senior coach has never been at a club when it's happened before, I can't see how he knows what is required.

However, the converse isn't always true. Having expereinced a Premiership doesn't automatically mean success. After all Mark Neeld and many others have experienced Premiership success prior to becoming a seior coach and for whatever reason have been unable to convert that experience into a successful senior coaching career.  

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,579]

8 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I've always believed (without evidence, just a hunch) that a senior coach needs to have the experience of being involved in winning a Premiership. It could be as a player, coach (senior or assistant) or as a football manager. Winning Premierships doesn't just happen; it needs a lot to go right and if your senior coach has never been at a club when it's happened before, I can't see how he knows what is required.

However, the converse isn't always true. Having expereinced a Premiership doesn't automatically mean success. After all Mark Neeld and many others have experienced Premiership success prior to becoming a seior coach and for whatever reason have been unable to convert that experience into a successful senior coaching career.  

So where did Alistair Clarkson's premiership experience come from?  ... Paul Roos and Luke Beverage for that matter.

I guess there are exceptions to every rule.

[Demon Disciple 10,928]

Ummmmm, Beveridge was an assistant under Clarkson (and prior to that he won a heap of flags for St. Bede’s Mentone as coach).

You are correct about Roos though

[Jack7 463]

I'll be really pumped to watch yze get a Head Job

 

If we miss the finals again,we'll give him one i hope.

[DemonOX 8,530]

5 minutes ago, Jack7 said:

I'll be really pumped to watch yze get a Head Job

Had to read that a few times to before I understood what u meant Jack ??

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,395]

14 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

So where did Alistair Clarkson's premiership experience come from?  ... Paul Roos and Luke Beverage for that matter.

I guess there are exceptions to every rule.

Don't you just hate it when facts ruin a great theory?

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,579]

4 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Don't you just hate it when facts ruin a great theory?

Yeah, but I know where you're coming from Re coaches with premiership experience being beneficial.

Edited October 13, 2020 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[Demonland 64,798]

Just saying ...

 

[Willmoy1947 3,772]

NORM SMITH  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 etc, etc,

[Deeoldfart 7,720]

I love the part of this interview with Adem where he talks about the need for 'cohesion' in our midfield group:

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/836826/ep5-the-off-season-adem-yze?videoId=836826&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1605673170001

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

I love that bloke. My heart is beating true.

As an aside, Adem’s niece used to work at the firm where I work (a few years ago now). She was a first class person - very well regarded, both professionally and personally.

She was a passionate Demons’ supporter and she said that her entire family was too - they all loved Uncle Adem.

It’s brilliant he’s back at the club.

I’ve got a good feeling about next year.

 

[Sir Why You Little 34,436]

9 hours ago, Deeoldfart said:

 

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/836826/ep5-the-off-season-adem-yze?videoId=836826&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1605673170001

Good Stuff

High Standards from day 1

This feels like a new beginning, that was my first impression. 
High Standards is the key

[Ohio USA - David 107]

On 10/9/2020 at 7:53 AM, Coq au vin said:

Why?

I agree with above initial comments to this post totally and for awhile now I have wondered why the MFC have always given Goody a very senior assistant and wonder if it has any thing to do with their concern over his stand alone coaching ability ? Other Clubs do not appear to have the same setup as we have had in this regard.

I also feel that if Goody does not get the results the Board desire within his current contract that he will be moved on and I suspect Yze may be the next coach in waiting.  What do you think ???

Edited November 18, 2020 by Ohio USA - David