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If we gave Smith a three year contract, he contributed strongly for a flag push for two seasons and had one season of pension padding, that is money extremely well spent in my eyes.

I concur with Nasher. I must be one of the few Demonlanders that think we can salute in 2021.  And I genuinely do. I see shades of Geelong 2006 and Richmond 2016 in this Melbourne side.  Not

Mate, i totally understand people pointing out i got this one wrong. but surely you understand things change in silly season. as of 3 days ago when i last posted this my source of information was very

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On 10/12/2020 at 12:22 PM, willmoy said:

Yep some of these Hawthorn players would be smarter than the average. You would think that Yze is playing a helping role here as well...

Would like to know what Yze thinks about the MFC and Smith across the next 2 years, or maybe 3.

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6 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Heard that on radio.  Geelong is a club that doesn't talk of potential trades.  They will let the media speculate.  So for their CEO to publicly discuss Viney, another clubs VC, they would have been very confident of getting him.  They felt used.

Bald bloke from W.C did that using Melbourne as that currency a few years back to get more money either from the pies or Visy, ended up at Visy on a Visy ambassador contract from memory!! MFC at the time thanked him publicly for his consideration when really they were fuming that he had done the same after he said he was coming for sure to play for the club he barracked for as a kid....

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1 hour ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Hearing Yze is working very hard go get him accross and he's strongly leaning towards coming. not quite 100% but very close to it. 

Hope your source isn’t me.

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On 10/15/2020 at 8:48 PM, JTR said:

The current season was only his 10th, so in terms of wear and tear on the body he is a very young 32.

He is still killing it in the time trials at the Hawks, having won it every season between 2015-2019 and coming 3rd this season, behind a couple of endurance freak new recruits.

So... running/endurance is not an issue, he has good skills, is a booming left kick, we are in desperate need of a left winger and we can get a proven one in Smith for free.

What is not to like?

His season was interrupted by injuries, signs of aging. He joined afl late but he still played footy before joining afl so not buying the 10 year thing. Players can fall off the cliff very quickly when over 30

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Hope its not 3 years. Doesnt matter that he was drafted later than most. He'll be 32 at the end of this year and missed some games with injuries. Do we really need a guy running around for us at nearly 35?

One year, sure. Two, perhaps. Three??? Nah. Unless the 3rd is purely a coaching role

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2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Hope its not 3 years. Doesnt matter that he was drafted later than most. He'll be 32 at the end of this year and missed some games with injuries. Do we really need a guy running around for us at nearly 35?

One year, sure. Two, perhaps. Three??? Nah. Unless the 3rd is purely a coaching role

Sorry for the deja vu 

But you do realise contacts can be broken. You also dont know any if the details on how their structured and what incentives and options there are.

Who cares and you have no idea what your talking about.

 

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22 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Sorry for the deja vu 

But you do realise contacts can be broken. You also dont know any if the details on how their structured and what incentives and options there are.

Who cares and you have no idea what your talking about.

 

In what world can contracts be broken? Re-negotiated - yes. Broken - no. If you have to pay out a guy to retire a year early that's not breaking the contract, it's buying a list spot by spending salary for no return and hurts your spare cap space.

If it's a 2 year deal with strong incentives for a 3rd year then that's different to a 3 year deal as well. 

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3 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Hope its not 3 years. Doesnt matter that he was drafted later than most. He'll be 32 at the end of this year and missed some games with injuries. Do we really need a guy running around for us at nearly 35?

One year, sure. Two, perhaps. Three??? Nah. Unless the 3rd is purely a coaching role

He would play his final season as a 34 year old. Probably pushing it but you have to pay extra either in salary or years to get someone to move.

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8 hours ago, Demons1858 said:

His season was interrupted by injuries, signs of aging. He joined afl late but he still played footy before joining afl so not buying the 10 year thing. Players can fall off the cliff very quickly when over 30

Agree on this... Any running type of player over 30 is in the High Risk for soft tissue injuries.

We should be gunning for Lachie Hunter...! I think he is the most damaging wingman in the game. If Carlscum can fit Saad and Williams in there cap I’m sure we could Lachie...

 

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14 minutes ago, Dee tention said:

Agree on this... Any running type of player over 30 is in the High Risk for soft tissue injuries.

We should be gunning for Lachie Hunter...! I think he is the most damaging wingman in the game. If Carlscum can fit Saad and Williams in there cap I’m sure we could Lachie...

 

absolutely correct I wouldn't touch Smith. Hunter is a gun so much upside and ready for  a long future

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8 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Hope its not 3 years. Doesnt matter that he was drafted later than most. He'll be 32 at the end of this year and missed some games with injuries. Do we really need a guy running around for us at nearly 35?

One year, sure. Two, perhaps. Three??? Nah. Unless the 3rd is purely a coaching role

We used to have a desire for slow midgets. It seems our focus nowadays, is to fill up with moderate B grade midfielders, with little upside, on long contracts.

 

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9 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

In what world can contracts be broken? Re-negotiated - yes. Broken - no. If you have to pay out a guy to retire a year early that's not breaking the contract, it's buying a list spot by spending salary for no return and hurts your spare cap space.

If it's a 2 year deal with strong incentives for a 3rd year then that's different to a 3 year deal as well. 

So above you're talking TPP and that wasnt the point. And again we have no idea how the contract would structured. It could be front loaded and he could end up plsy ing for minimums plus incentives for 2 of the 3 years. Would you say Smith is more valuable then say a pick 50 then?

But the point made by Moonshadow was contract length anf not terms. Contact have multiple ways they can be broken, including retirement, mutual agreement and dismissal.

The whole length term argument for smith is irrelevant. You either want a more talented list or you don't.

Lets not pretend recruiting Smith is going to hurt the club, He comes across for free and helps the club one way or another. The rest is irrelevant for a lots of reasons which cant be debated because we simply wouldn't know terms of the agreement.

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On 10/16/2020 at 10:00 AM, Wells 11 said:

Jesus I hate Geelong. They got their hyper priveleged nose out of joint because Viney stayed with us. Cry me a frikn river.  Unimaginable that a player , having had time to think, would choose to stick with his club rather than go to them. It must be they got used FMD. Hope Viney cuts them a new one next time we play. 

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37 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

So above you're talking TPP and that wasnt the point. And again we have no idea how the contract would structured. It could be front loaded and he could end up plsy ing for minimums plus incentives for 2 of the 3 years. Would you say Smith is more valuable then say a pick 50 then?

But the point made by Moonshadow was contract length anf not terms. Contact have multiple ways they can be broken, including retirement, mutual agreement and dismissal.

The whole length term argument for smith is irrelevant. You either want a more talented list or you don't.

Lets not pretend recruiting Smith is going to hurt the club, He comes across for free and helps the club one way or another. The rest is irrelevant for a lots of reasons which cant be debated because we simply wouldn't know terms of the agreement.

I think the long term argument is relevant, because at the end of the day you're getting maybe 1 good year out of him next year and beyond that it realistically looks downhill. Lewis was 32 when he retired (yes Lewis was probably a bit slower and banged up from playing inside roles but even his kicking went south), thats the same age as Smith is now and we're thinking we can get something out of him at 34/35? He makes our list slightly more talented for a year maximum. Just cannot see what Smith has to offer our side besides leadership off-field and slightly more depth beyond next year? 

I get that he's free in the sense of giving up nothing for him, however we have to sink salary and play him at the expense of developing someone like Baker. If we were serious about continuing to build a talented list beyond "topping up" with dubious 32+ year old players we need to be chasing someone like a Tom Phillips who can have roughly the same level of output for the next 5-8 years.

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3 years will mean he’ll be 34 heading into his last season. If 3 years is what it takes then perhaps that’s what we do. He has pace so when he does slow down he will still likely be somewhat quick. And I doubt he’ll be asking for huge dollars on a 3 year deal. Will bring experience and a fair amount of knowledge of what it takes. 

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11 hours ago, Unleash Hell said:

Sorry for the deja vu 

But you do realise contacts can be broken. You also dont know any if the details on how their structured and what incentives and options there are.

Who cares and you have no idea what your talking about.

 

What are you... 13?

Go away

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Hawks offering 2 years, l have my doubts about the validity of that. They only offer 1 year deals for 30 plus players. Makes me wonder whether its a dummy 2 year deal designed to extract better offers to the benefit of Smith and to help him get maximum contract money and trade value. 

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20 hours ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Hearing Yze is working very hard go get him accross and he's strongly leaning towards coming. not quite 100% but very close to it. 

This is his last contact. You can bet he is not yet 100% sure for a while longer while there are still a few suitors that could draw improved offers. There is no need to declare his hand yet as draft hasn't even started yet. 

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On 10/13/2020 at 11:52 AM, Ron Burgundy said:

I'm sorry - but we're not North Melbourne. Our window is actually right now.

We were in the conversation for a potential top 4 spot prior to the opening round. We've just under-performed over the last 2 years.

 

Premiership window now? 

Really.....I like to hear your rationale. Or is that it? Under-performing?

So what do we need to change to perform?

 

 

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if smith comes in its the end of the road for baker, none of this take him under his wing business. baker is OOC next year 23yo 5 years 5 in the system! if we are the side we wanna be and a player hasnt shown anything bar 4/5 games a year after that long its time to go, so if we're bringing smith in baker spends the entire season in the twos proves nothing and is off the list. if baker is the answer or u want him to be play him from round 1 and see what he does or you could actively take phillips who is absolutely more than capable and move onto the next problem position and draft someone to develop behind he and langdon

Phillips is 2 years older than Baker and has played 80 more games than him! baker isnt gonna cut it i'm afraid

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