Both Pies & Saints are vulnerable..  end of the day just making up numbers even if we make it. 

15 minutes ago, Hogan2014 said:

Both Pies & Saints are vulnerable..  end of the day just making up numbers even if we make it. 

So what, if we're making up numbers - every [censored] team every [censored] year are essentially making up the numbers if they finish 5-8. 

It's a marker of where you are... 

Onwards and upwards.

After round 15:

Table is still based on 9 wins to make finals but more likely 10. 

Collingwood's loss makes our loss to the Swans even more disappointng.  With Giants and Saints playing in the last round, a win vs the Swans would have almost guaranteed us spot in the 8. 

Now we are a game and %'age behind those teams and needing to win all 3 games which I feel is unlikely.  Giants showed vs Carlton they can do what it takes to get a win, we haven't so I don't count that as a win.  Ess will be out to finish on a high note with nothing to lose so I don't count that as a win.  And Freo are playing like they want to win every game, so I don't count that as a win.  We will (I hope) win some of those but doubt it will be all three.

If all the cards fall our way we could get in on 9 wins depending on the Giants vs Saints game in the last round. 

Nail biting time, ala 2017.

Edited September 4, 20204 yr by Lucifer's Hero

I think we’ll beat Freo because we tend to play well after a poor performance. GWS is a lottery. They’ve been very ordinary at times this year and should have been beaten by Carlton. Beat Essendon to secure finals? We’ve been there before in 2017 and we all know how that turned out.

I can’t see us winning all 3 because you just cannot trust this group to deliver consistent performances. We might win 2 and get lucky with percentage or other teams doing us a favour. But even if we do scrape into the 8 we’ll just be making up the numbers. An elimination final against WC at Optus fills me with dread.  I’m still traumatised by the last time we played a final there!

12 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

I think we’ll beat Freo because we tend to play well after a poor performance. GWS is a lottery. They’ve been very ordinary at times this year and should have been beaten by Carlton. Beat Essendon to secure finals? We’ve been there before in 2017 and we all know how that turned out.

I can’t see us winning all 3 because you just cannot trust this group to deliver consistent performances. We might win 2 and get lucky with percentage or other teams doing us a favour. But even if we do scrape into the 8 we’ll just be making up the numbers. An elimination final against WC at Optus fills me with dread.  I’m still traumatised by the last time we played a final there!

Cannot help but agree with this great post of negativity. Time maybe to give the rest of the group a go and see who wants to stay and who shouldn't.

22 hours ago, DeeZee said:

We are still a shadow of the team we were in 2018 and will only be making up the numbers if we fall in.

The only chance is to find that fire and fierce desire again.

I disagree and agree. We had some poor performances that year. Losing to the saints and swans where we were odds on favourites by a long way. The difference was a run on leading into finals and the first two finals. I think we can go to that level again, but I don’t know what made us play possessed in those games. Hopefully someone in the club knows. 

It is a 2 hour flight to Melbourne on Sunday 20th September.

7 minutes ago, old dee said:

It is a 2 hour flight to Melbourne on Sunday 20th September.

Took me a minute to work out that cryptic comment

Very true but I don't think they'll be rushing back 

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Took me a minute to work out that cryptic comment

Very true but I don't think they'll be rushing back 

Yes about 12 of them should become permanent residents

The WB upset over Eagles is a blow.

On 9/5/2020 at 8:58 AM, Hogan2014 said:

Both Pies & Saints are vulnerable..  end of the day just making up numbers even if we make it. 

I used to believe that teams finishing in positions 5-8 were too far off the mark and therefore not worthy of playing finals. However, I've  changed my view. With the occasional exception, I still believe they're mostly not worthy of playing finals from a football quality point of view (particularly teams finishing 7th and 8th). However,  teams in the bottom half of the eight can learn valuable lessons about how to cope with finals. Not just on game day, but also in the preparation for finals, including player management in the weeks leading up to finals. It is not just the players who would gain valuable experience, but the coaches and the club as a whole.

Edited September 6, 20204 yr by La Dee-vina Comedia

Being optomistic we finish with 10 wins. Three from three from here.

Bulldogs will beat Hawks and Freo to get to 10

Saints beat either Eagles or Giants to get to 10

Giants will beat the Crows and then need one win against us and the Saints.

We are $2.63 to make the eight. About right I reckon.

13 hours ago, Rogue said:

The WB upset over Eagles is a blow.

Sure, but gee don't the Dogs deserve a place in the finals the way they played last night?

 

On 9/5/2020 at 9:17 AM, Lucifer's Hero said:

After round 15:

Table is still based on 9 wins to make finals but more likely 10. 

Collingwood's loss makes our loss to the Swans even more disappointng.  With Giants and Saints playing in the last round, a win vs the Swans would have almost guaranteed us spot in the 8. 

Now we are a game and %'age behind those teams and needing to win all 3 games which I feel is unlikely.  Giants showed vs Carlton they can do what it takes to get a win, we haven't so I don't count that as a win.  Ess will be out to finish on a high note with nothing to lose so I don't count that as a win.  And Freo are playing like they want to win every game, so I don't count that as a win.  We will (I hope) win some of those but doubt it will be all three.

If all the cards fall our way we could get in on 9 wins depending on the Giants vs Saints game in the last round. 

Nail biting time, ala 2017.

Even if we win the last 3 still iffy that we make it, however had we beaten the Swans like we were supposed to then that would've been another matter.  We are paying the price for not having an inform second tall KPF. Unfortunately Petty may have been it, but he's injured and Tom McDonald has left the building. Shame Hogan isn't still with us. 

With our loss and the Dogs win we're only the proverbial "mathematical possibility" now.  Hard to argue we should be in ahead of them anyway after ther beat us easily.

Edited September 7, 20204 yr by Pollyanna

Posted this in the other thread, but we can still make it on 9 wins with a loss tonight. Requires the following:

1. We beat GWS and Essendon
2. The Dogs lose one of their last two (Hawthorn and Fremantle)
3. GWS loses to Adelaide
4. St Kilda loses both of its last two games (West Coast and GWS)
5. Collingwood loses both of its last two games (GC and Port).

Assumes we then don't have the worst percentage out of GWS, St Kilda, the Dogs and us.

If we get to 10, we can still miss if:

1. GWS beats Adelaide and St Kilda
2. St Kilda beats West Coast but loses to GWS
3. Collingwood beats GC and Brisbane
4. The Dogs win both their last two
5. Our percentage is worse than two of GWS, St Kilda and the Dogs

Collingwood would finish 6th on 10.5, and then we'd finish 9th or 10th, behind whichever two of those three sides has a better percentage than us.

 

We can debate whether or not we'd just be making up the numbers this year but our club should be one that can at least be trusted to play finals every year. There is only one way to gain experience as a finals side and that is to play in finals. I really hope our guys leave nothing out on the ground in these last three games to make it possible. 

47 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

We can debate whether or not we'd just be making up the numbers this year but our club should be one that can at least be trusted to play finals every year. There is only one way to gain experience as a finals side and that is to play in finals. I really hope our guys leave nothing out on the ground in these last three games to make it possible. 

Agree.  Also recall that we were making up the numbers in the finals in 2018 and still managed to remove 2 other teams who were not thought to be just making up the numbers.  Not that I have any confidence of that happening again.

Simple equation, just win, win, win and we make it.

We want play finals , not good enough, all Hollywood or bust 

WWW.finals.com.au/lockitin

If we win last two games and Dogs drop one, we make it.

 

ahhhh the Melbourne way, rely on others for us to scrape in. It'd be the worst possible thing for us to make finals now, we dont deserve it and members dont deserve Goodwin to continue his contract, gotta laugh though.

3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

If we win last two games and Dogs drop one, we make it.

 

Bulldogs won't lose to Hawthorn or Fremantle.

Then again I didn't think GWS would lose to Adelaide.

Having said that Bulldogs will probably drop one of those games, we'll beat GWS but lose to Essendon.

It's the Melbourne way.