On 12/09/2019 at 13:19, John Demonic said:

Well we can lose, if our forward line is trash next year.

I still say that's more a coaching issue than a problem with the players. 

  On 12/09/2019 at 13:32, RalphiusMaximus said:

I still say that's more a coaching issue than a problem with the players. 

coaching, fitness, personnel...it's not just one thing

very happy to pick up elliott as a free agent

If we think getting Elliot is in any small way going to improve our side or be the answer to any of our woes then we really are in trouble. $600,000 for a bloke that will add about as much as Kennedy from the Pies did a few years ago, just stinks of desperation. Elliot isn't worth a pinch of s##t.

The fact we've even attached our name to him means we are f##cked. We have no idea how to play money ball and we are gone, game over, forget it, walk away.

  On 12/09/2019 at 14:06, deespicable me said:

If we think getting Elliot is in any small way going to improve our side or be the answer to any of our woes then we really are in trouble. $600,000 for a bloke that will add about as much as Kennedy from the Pies did a few years ago, just stinks of desperation. Elliot isn't worth a pinch of s##t.

The fact we've even attached our name to him means we are f##cked. We have no idea how to play money ball and we are gone, game over, forget it, walk away.

Normally I would either ignore such a mindless, rubbish post or make some sarcastic, facetious comment.

Didn't want to do the first. Couldn't be bothered with the latter.

So I will instead I'll respectfully ask you to sod off.

  On 12/09/2019 at 14:06, deespicable me said:

If we think getting Elliot is in any small way going to improve our side or be the answer to any of our woes then we really are in trouble. $600,000 for a bloke that will add about as much as Kennedy from the Pies did a few years ago, just stinks of desperation. Elliot isn't worth a pinch of s##t.

The fact we've even attached our name to him means we are f##cked. We have no idea how to play money ball and we are gone, game over, forget it, walk away.

You my friend have no idea

  On 12/09/2019 at 14:06, deespicable me said:

If we think getting Elliot is in any small way going to improve our side or be the answer to any of our woes then we really are in trouble. $600,000 for a bloke that will add about as much as Kennedy from the Pies did a few years ago, just stinks of desperation. Elliot isn't worth a pinch of s##t.

The fact we've even attached our name to him means we are f##cked. We have no idea how to play money ball and we are gone, game over, forget it, walk away.

He’s kicked more than 30 goals in 4 seasons, might be 5 after this year. But sure, he’ll add nothing more than Ben Ken.

Be concerned about injuries and overpaying - but free agents are always overpaid - don’t be silly and say he doesn’t have talent. 

How do you want us to play moneyball? There’s not a lot of good players out there for free or at below market cost, particularly not goal kickers. 

Go through the list of goal kickers who have kicked more than 30 goals, not many of them would be cheap. Sam Lloyd is one who was a good pick up by the dogs but he stank in the final, his home and away season goals probably outweigh his talent 

I know he's an unrestricted free agent and all but is anyone worried that Eddie will screw Mahoney over and get him to give up the gate receipts to both Queens birthday and ANZAC Eve for the next 10 years and then Elliott will probably ping his hammy signing the paperwork and Eddie will be like this out of the room ..

* joking. sort of. 

Just watching him last weekend had me thinking how much I’d love to somehow get him to the club. Would be a great get. Anyone who thinks otherwise is having a laugh.

I like him. He has that bit of x-factor.

If fit then a big yes from me.

Unfortunately he struggles to get on the park at times. His hammy is as dodgy as a Gatorade urine sample. 

Typical Thread on Melbournes capacity to draft 

+ve viewpoint "Player x would fit well and be a great addition"

-ve viewpoint "Yeah but the MFC suck at getting anyone good, and if we do, we always get reamed and pay over the odds AND they are always injured"

-vs viewpoint "also, we never get anyone good, just spuds and list cloggers"

+ve viewpoint "mmm uh huh"

-ve " jason taylor jason taylor jason taylor"

-ve "mahoney mahoney mahoney pert pert pert"

+ve " so if we get a class player, we pay overs, and if we don't get a class player BUT a role player, that's not good enough? Who do you expect us to draft?"

-ve "non response, just indignant rage at poster"

 

 

  On 12/09/2019 at 12:10, WERRIDEE said:

It's pick 2

Anyone still believing we’ll end up with pick 2 is beyond delusional. Afl will be doing everything it can to help out its basket case of a club

  On 12/09/2019 at 12:31, RalphiusMaximus said:

This is a good situation.  If we get him, that's great.  If we don't get him, I don't think anybody will be horribly upset.  We can't lose. 

Exactly. I hope he knocks us back. Great when he is out there but that's not often enough and if the Pies struggle to keep him fit with their state of the art resources how will we go?

Look, within a few weeks he might be thinking about having another tilt at a flag with the Pies after they lose the Big One by two points due to a last minute, appalling umpiring decision that gifts Jack Reiwoldt a goal. So he stays. 

I prefer the Langdon and Tomlinson rumours to this one but the upside of all three is that we are in gear and looking to make a difference to a group that failed comprehensively this year.

  On 12/09/2019 at 21:32, Engorged Onion said:

Typical Thread on Melbournes capacity to draft 

+ve viewpoint "Player x would fit well and be a great addition"

-ve viewpoint "Yeah but the MFC suck at getting anyone good, and if we do, we always get reamed and pay over the odds AND they are always injured"

-vs viewpoint "also, we never get anyone good, just spuds and list cloggers"

+ve viewpoint "mmm uh huh"

-ve " jason taylor jason taylor jason taylor"

-ve "mahoney mahoney mahoney pert pert pert"

+ve " so if we get a class player, we pay overs, and if we don't get a class player BUT a role player, that's not good enough? Who do you expect us to draft?"

-ve "non response, just indignant rage at poster"

 

 

Yes Engorged, some posters are like spoilt brats, nothing is good enuff.

  On 12/09/2019 at 14:06, deespicable me said:

If we think getting Elliot is in any small way going to improve our side or be the answer to any of our woes then we really are in trouble. $600,000 for a bloke that will add about as much as Kennedy from the Pies did a few years ago, just stinks of desperation. Elliot isn't worth a pinch of s##t.

The fact we've even attached our name to him means we are f##cked. We have no idea how to play money ball and we are gone, game over, forget it, walk away.

Elliot has more talent in his little toes than Spargo, ANB, Dunkley and the Wagners have combined together

I hope our offer is good enough to convince him to switch. A serious talent is Elliott and would love him in our colours. Gut feel is he will stay a Pie. They have persisted with him through his injuries and now that he’s getting a good run at it he seems elated to be a Pie judging by his reaction on the final siren against Cats last week. Can’t take too much out of reactions but that’s how I read it at the time. 

Smells like a plot by his manager to force Collingwood's hand at the negotiating table. We are just the pawn.  Will not leave. 

He had a great final last week. Not just goal kicking but that smother was sensational.

With him Fritsch & Petracca, it would give us some real potency & x factor up forward.

  On 12/09/2019 at 22:25, rjay said:

He had a great final last week. Not just goal kicking but that smother was sensational.

With him Fritsch & Petracca, it would give us some real potency & x factor up forward.

It also might mean we can release Petracca to play further up the ground more often as well.

  On 12/09/2019 at 14:06, deespicable me said:

If we think getting Elliot is in any small way going to improve our side or be the answer to any of our woes then we really are in trouble. $600,000 for a bloke that will add about as much as Kennedy from the Pies did a few years ago, just stinks of desperation. Elliot isn't worth a pinch of s##t.

The fact we've even attached our name to him means we are f##cked. We have no idea how to play money ball and we are gone, game over, forget it, walk away.

You must be the fun guy at parties

  On 12/09/2019 at 22:27, Moonshadow said:

You must be the fun guy at parties

I’m honestly convinced that anyone disagreeing that we dont need someone like Elliot at the club truely doesnt want our club to succeed. 

If you want to get a proper idea of Jamie Elliott’s worth, go over to the Collingwood forums. Their fans are apoplectic at the idea of losing him. 

  On 12/09/2019 at 22:40, Mel Bourne said:

If you want to get a proper idea of Jamie Elliott’s worth, go over to the Collingwood forums. Their fans are apoplectic at the idea of losing him. 

Of course they are - he was the big out for them for most of last year, most Pies fans think their team is so much stronger with Elliott in it. Would love him at Melbourne but can’t see how the Pies would let him go.

Crazy to consider taking a 27 year old on big coin with years of chronic injuries. 

If we had a team of champions and could afford to take a risk then fair enough. 

But serious back and hamstring injuries never go away. 

We already have a team of crocs (some on big coin) for goodness sake. 

Bring to the club another bloke who may sit in the stands and unlikely to be a regular member of the team.

You can almost guarantee that he will have time on the injury list. 

And the Pies don’t let good players  go. They also have some of the best medical and injury management staff going around, light years ahead of the Dees. 

No more players who make fleeting appearances please. 

Foolhardy desperation. 

 

  On 12/09/2019 at 23:29, hemingway said:

Crazy to consider taking a 27 year old on big coin with years of chronic injuries. 

If we had a team of champions and could afford to take a risk then fair enough. 

But serious back and hamstring injuries never go away. 

We already have a team of crocs (some on big coin) for goodness sake. 

Bring to the club another bloke who may sit in the stands and unlikely to be a regular member of the team.

You can almost guarantee that he will have time on the injury list. 

And the Pies don’t let good players  go. They also have some of the best medical and injury management staff going around, light years ahead of the Dees. 

No more players who make fleeting appearances please. 

Foolhardy desperation. 

 

If Hawthorn thought that way about Burgoyne where would they be?