Farewell Jesse Hogan

[GCDee 3,196]

55 minutes ago, Danelska said:

Im not agreeing with it - just adding opinions from elsewhere to the mix...

Nah not having a dig just laughing at the stupid "article" 

[Dr.D 1,771]

yes we are in a premiership window but i'd still like to have draft picks as I dont want to be cr@p again for another 12 years. So i'd take any early picks and use them 

[praha 11,214]

2 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

yes we are in a premiership window but i'd still like to have draft picks as I dont want to be cr@p again for another 12 years. So i'd take any early picks and use them 

we were crap for a decade, doctor, because we bet the house on the draft and got rid of a core group that held the team together for a decade. we picked up Fritsch and Spargo deep in the draft last year, and both are starting 22 in arguably the best team the club has fielded in over 5 decades. Throw in VB and Hannan as well as smart "mature" aged picks and there is clear proof that high drafts are not the be all and end all.

The logic behind trading a key position player in his early 20s and yet to hit his prime just to improve our draft position is utter lunacy. It's on par with the idiocy I see on some of the Facebook supporter groups of people screaming for Petracca and ANB to be dropped (and posted DURING the game mind you). I apologise if that seems like a direct attack on you and others here but it's genuinely how I feel at the moment. Midway through the season I probably thought differently but now that we have turned the corner, we should keep our hand close to our chest rather than throwing it all away in the hope we get a better hand at the draft.

Hogan has had his Clive Waterhouse-esque moments this year, but he's a smart player with a huge tank that can find the ball. He would have gone top 3 in any of the past 10 drafts, including this year. That's not an argument to trade him. It's an argument to keep him. 

Unless a Hogan trade immediately improves us, it's a firm "Yeah nah" from me. And by "improve us immediately" I mean a young, proven winner. A like for like swap is the only possible fair trade, and that's never going to happen.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,385]

5 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

where's 'home'?

Home is where the heart is. Pretty sure Alf Stewart said that. 

Edited September 9, 2018 by Ethan Tremblay

[whatwhat say what 22,303]

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Home is where the heart is. Pretty sure Alf Stewart said that. 

ya flamin' mongrel!

[layzie 33,272]

5 hours ago, praha said:

we were crap for a decade, doctor, because we bet the house on the draft and got rid of a core group that held the team together for a decade. we picked up Fritsch and Spargo deep in the draft last year, and both are starting 22 in arguably the best team the club has fielded in over 5 decades. Throw in VB and Hannan as well as smart "mature" aged picks and there is clear proof that high drafts are not the be all and end all.

The logic behind trading a key position player in his early 20s and yet to hit his prime just to improve our draft position is utter lunacy. It's on par with the idiocy I see on some of the Facebook supporter groups of people screaming for Petracca and ANB to be dropped (and posted DURING the game mind you). I apologise if that seems like a direct attack on you and others here but it's genuinely how I feel at the moment. Midway through the season I probably thought differently but now that we have turned the corner, we should keep our hand close to our chest rather than throwing it all away in the hope we get a better hand at the draft.

Hogan has had his Clive Waterhouse-esque moments this year, but he's a smart player with a huge tank that can find the ball. He would have gone top 3 in any of the past 10 drafts, including this year. That's not an argument to trade him. It's an argument to keep him. 

Unless a Hogan trade immediately improves us, it's a firm "Yeah nah" from me. And by "improve us immediately" I mean a young, proven winner. A like for like swap is the only possible fair trade, and that's never going to happen.

Those Facebook groups will fry your brain. I can’t do them anymore.

 

[Redleg 40,332]

5 hours ago, praha said:

we were crap for a decade, doctor, because we bet the house on the draft and got rid of a core group that held the team together for a decade. we picked up Fritsch and Spargo deep in the draft last year, and both are starting 22 in arguably the best team the club has fielded in over 5 decades. Throw in VB and Hannan as well as smart "mature" aged picks and there is clear proof that high drafts are not the be all and end all.

 

Not to mention our bookend brothers, both picked at 53.

[junk 342]

If Hogan goes we will get decent draft picks 2019 which is not bad. Feezing up our salary cap could allow us to get Gaff or possibly Sheilds. Lynch may be possible. Tyson,Kent,JKH,Dion and Garlett could be put on the trade table.

[binman 42,113]

1 minute ago, ENYAW said:

If Hogan goes we will get decent draft picks 2019 which is not bad. Feezing up our salary cap could allow us to get Gaff or possibly Sheilds. Lynch may be possible. Tyson,Kent,JKH,Dion and Garlett could be put on the trade table.

Good lord.

[drysdale demon 4,736]

16 minutes ago, ENYAW said:

If Hogan goes we will get decent draft picks 2019 which is not bad. Feezing up our salary cap could allow us to get Gaff or possibly Sheilds. Lynch may be possible. Tyson,Kent,JKH,Dion and Garlett could be put on the trade table.

Give it a rest, we already have salary cap room, in case you didn't hear Lynch has already nominated as the club he is going to.

[Young Blood 2,341]

35 minutes ago, ENYAW said:

If Hogan goes we will get decent draft picks 2019 which is not bad. Feezing up our salary cap could allow us to get Gaff or possibly Sheilds. Lynch may be possible. Tyson,Kent,JKH,Dion and Garlett could be put on the trade table.

Or maybe even some shields? like the colours on this one.

Edited September 10, 2018 by Yung Blood

[Dr.D 1,771]

19 hours ago, praha said:

we were crap for a decade, doctor, because we bet the house on the draft and got rid of a core group that held the team together for a decade. we picked up Fritsch and Spargo deep in the draft last year, and both are starting 22 in arguably the best team the club has fielded in over 5 decades. Throw in VB and Hannan as well as smart "mature" aged picks and there is clear proof that high drafts are not the be all and end all.

The logic behind trading a key position player in his early 20s and yet to hit his prime just to improve our draft position is utter lunacy. It's on par with the idiocy I see on some of the Facebook supporter groups of people screaming for Petracca and ANB to be dropped (and posted DURING the game mind you). I apologise if that seems like a direct attack on you and others here but it's genuinely how I feel at the moment. Midway through the season I probably thought differently but now that we have turned the corner, we should keep our hand close to our chest rather than throwing it all away in the hope we get a better hand at the draft.

Hogan has had his Clive Waterhouse-esque moments this year, but he's a smart player with a huge tank that can find the ball. He would have gone top 3 in any of the past 10 drafts, including this year. That's not an argument to trade him. It's an argument to keep him. 

Unless a Hogan trade immediately improves us, it's a firm "Yeah nah" from me. And by "improve us immediately" I mean a young, proven winner. A like for like swap is the only possible fair trade, and that's never going to happen.

I hear what you're saying but unfortunately until Petracca performs consistently then it his him and his supporters like you that need to show something. His performance against geelong was pathetic. As for Hogan, we've hit better form without him and this happened last season too when Hogan missed. It's definitely not coincidence. Yes, he is a talented player but his defensive pressure is non-existent and his attitude is culture-sucking. So don't just tell me how many goals he has kicked because that only tells half the picture with Hogan. And I called it as soon as it happened that the loss of Hogan would not affect us in the slightest. I was right. 

[Dee tention 611]

A lot of stupids posts about trading Jessie. Where are our real SUPPORTERS!

Support him instead of kicking his feet from under him... He is one of ours for f..k sake!

[durango 1,992]

I think the reason we are better when Jesse is not there because the team tend to focus on him when kicking into the forward line and the opponents tend to double team him.

Until Jesse says he wants to leave this whole theme is moot since I believe if we play Jesse further afield he will not become a forward line focus and a better player.

[Dr.D 1,771]

1 hour ago, Dee tention said:

A lot of stupids posts about trading Jessie. Where are our real SUPPORTERS!

Support him instead of kicking his feet from under him... He is one of ours for f..k sake!

Let me guess, you were a jack watts fan too? lol. lets not embarrass those that supported him for all those years. If he was pick 50, he would've been delisted 5 years earlier. Same goes for Hogan and Petracca. Call it as we see it.

[Richard Tionary 145]

Think he's gone boys. I really like Jesse and think he's a very talented player, but if its fait accompli that he will return to Perth at some point, it makes sense for him to be moved on when we can maximize value. Heard from a couple of sources (that could be complete [censored]) but thought I would pass them on. One was from a guy who was accomplices with a board member who said that he will be sent to Freo in a package involving Andrew Brayshaw. 

The one I heard today at work was from a colleague who is good friends with one of the MFC players who said Hogan is involved in a 3 way trade with Freo and Brisbane with Neale included, unsure of what was coming to us however. 

[Vipercrunch 2,820]

24 minutes ago, Richard Tionary said:

Think he's gone boys. I really like Jesse and think he's a very talented player, but if its fait accompli that he will return to Perth at some point, it makes sense for him to be moved on when we can maximize value. Heard from a couple of sources (that could be complete [censored]) but thought I would pass them on. One was from a guy who was accomplices with a board member who said that he will be sent to Freo in a package involving Andrew Brayshaw. 

The one I heard today at work was from a colleague who is good friends with one of the MFC players who said Hogan is involved in a 3 way trade with Freo and Brisbane with Neale included, unsure of what was coming to us however. 

This is becoming very interesting.  Despite what Goody said a few weeks ago, the talk isn't going away.  There's obviously going to be some very disappointed supporters if he isn't on out list next year.

As talented as he obviously is, I can't ignore our results when he isn't in the team.  Maybe an absolute coincidence, but it definitely doesn't make me fear a future without him.

[beelzebub 23,239]

Keep in mind any 'talk' for public consumption will invariably always push the status quo. Coaches are always backed...players always needed. No one EVER goes anywhere ... officially...til they do .

It's the company line.

You wouldn't really expect the MFC to say anything different...3 weeks from grabbing our next flag !!

[Moonshadow 17,575]

Interesting the talk of Jesse going 'home'. Where exactly is that?

He's lived in Melb for last 6 years.

His mother lives in Melb

Much of his family live in SA

His closest bunch of mates are at MFC

I'm not sure supporting Freo as a kid counts as a lure anymore.

[layzie 33,272]

I fully expect Freo to throw the Kitchen sink at Hogan this year. 

[olisik 4,060]

34 minutes ago, layzie said:

I fully expect Freo to throw the Kitchen sink at Hogan this year. 

If they throw picks 4 and 5 for Hogan and Kent I would take it in an instant.

Use pick 4 to draft one of the King brothers to replace Hogan.

Trade down pick 5 for a couple of picks in the easy-mid teens.

Get rid of a player with an injured foot, free up a heap of cap space for a free agent (Like Sheil) and have multiple first rounders (in the teens)  in the draft for some more mids/backs.

End up with 

- King

- Free agent using Cap space

- 2 picks in first round

 

Lose

1. Forward with injured Foot who will end up leaving anyway once his a FA.

2. Forward whose always injured and will probably also leave when his a FA.

 

[layzie 33,272]

2 minutes ago, olisik said:

If they throw picks 4 and 5 for Hogan and Kent I would take it in an instant.

Use pick 4 to draft one of the King brothers to replace Hogan.

Trade down pick 5 for a couple of picks in the easy-mid teens.

Get rid of a player with an injured foot, free up a heap of cap space for a free agent (Like Sheil) and have multiple first rounders (in the teens)  in the draft for some more mids/backs.

End up with 

- King

- Free agent using Cap space

- 2 picks in first round

 

Lose

1. Forward with injured Foot who will end up leaving anyway once his a FA.

2. Forward whose always injured and will probably also leave when his a FA.

 

I don’t want to trade Hogan but a scenario like this has to at very least make you stop and think.

[Adam The God 29,627]

During a discussion ON THE COUCH this evening,  it was interesting to hear Roos proffer and then promote the idea of playing Jesse at CHB. I got the feeling that this is what he'd try if he were still coaching.

Garry brought up Jesse's lack of forward half pressure and how the forward set up had improved since Jesse's injury. This is undeniable IMO. But the others interjected and rightly said our Jesse-less forwardline also coincided with us playing 6-6-6, so it wasn't as simple as Garry suggested.

However, I'd say at least playing Jesse at CHB would ensure more combativeness from him and the need for a pressure game.  His lack of tackling is really an issue for us IMO. And after playing a few games down back, he could then take this back to the forwardline with him.

Although, I'm still not convinced you can take a 40+ gun forward out of your forwardline...

On the fence as usual, A F.

 

[olisik 4,060]

His navicular injury concerns me

[whatwhat say what 22,303]

7 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Interesting the talk of Jesse going 'home'. Where exactly is that?

He's lived in Melb for last 6 years.

His mother lives in Melb

Much of his family live in SA

His closest bunch of mates are at MFC

I'm not sure supporting Freo as a kid counts as a lure anymore.

adelaide supporter growing up